Prospect Info: 2025 Draft discussion

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Pens are 5th last now. The sweet spot will be overtaking Seattle for 4th last. They really need to get one of Schaefer, Hagens, Misa or Martone

Yep. Those loser points could come back and bite 'em as teams try to finish in the bottom 4.

Another couple of subtractions from the roster and/or Sid going on the shelf to rehab his wrist would be nice.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I watched a few highlight videos (goals and assists) of some of the top prospects yesterday. Goals and assists certainly aren't everything but it's what I could view. The three players were Martone, Misa, and Desnoyers. And I'd rank them in that order. Well, I watched McQueen highlights too but the vast majority of it was from last season. I'd rank him above Des but below Misa.

Take my opinion with a massive grain of salt.

 

[The Old Master]

Ryabkins stock seems to be dropping rapidly at this point. He does have alot of red flags but I wouldnt mind picking him with one of the thirds

i don't see him falling that far there is just too much talent there for someone not to take a homerun swing. imo

 

[PensFutures]

i don't see him falling that far there is just too much talent there for someone not to take a homerun swing. imo

Philly and Nashville would be the betting favorites for me, each has 3 1sts this year.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I honestly have a tough time understanding why Desnoyers gets the description of a "lower upside" player. I know it's the Q, but 76 points in 49 games in his draft year is really good. I think the "safe" comments seem like that he's a safe bet to become a strong 2-way middle-6 center, but I don't think that excludes him from exceeding that. Hischier was the #1 pick out of the Q in 2016-2017 and he had 86 points in 57 games in his draft year, and I think that's a pretty appropriate stylistic comparison for Desnoyers.

I wonder how much of that is due to the Q's reputation falling off as the worst of the big 3 CHL leagues. You can go look through the recent drafts and there aren't a ton of Q players drafted in round 1 and there are even fewer Q players who pan out in the NHL.

 

[The Old Master]

Philly and Nashville would be the betting favorites for me, each has 3 1sts this year.

yeah, and don't discount the caps, i'm sure they think ov could get his head on right.

I honestly have a tough time understanding why Desnoyers gets the description of a "lower upside" player. I know it's the Q, but 76 points in 49 games in his draft year is really good. I think the "safe" comments seem like that he's a safe bet to become a strong 2-way middle-6 center, but I don't think that excludes him from exceeding that. Hischier was the #1 pick out of the Q in 2016-2017 and he had 86 points in 57 games in his draft year, and I think that's a pretty appropriate stylistic comparison for Desnoyers.

I wonder how much of that is due to the Q's reputation falling off as the worst of the big 3 CHL leagues. You can go look through the recent drafts and there aren't a ton of Q players drafted in round 1 and there are even fewer Q players who pan out in the NHL.

history does play a big part. imo

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I honestly have a tough time understanding why Desnoyers gets the description of a "lower upside" player. I know it's the Q, but 76 points in 49 games in his draft year is really good. I think the "safe" comments seem like that he's a safe bet to become a strong 2-way middle-6 center, but I don't think that excludes him from exceeding that. Hischier was the #1 pick out of the Q in 2016-2017 and he had 86 points in 57 games in his draft year, and I think that's a pretty appropriate stylistic comparison for Desnoyers.

I wonder how much of that is due to the Q's reputation falling off as the worst of the big 3 CHL leagues. You can go look through the recent drafts and there aren't a ton of Q players drafted in round 1 and there are even fewer Q players who pan out in the NHL.

I didn't even consider or think about that with the Q. But a number of my reactions to the Des video I watched was "that worked?!" or "how the hell did that go in?!" or "Jesus this defending sucks".

 

[Empoleon8771]

I didn't even consider or think about that with the Q. But a number of my reactions to the Des video I watched was "that worked?!" or "how the hell did that go in?!" or "Jesus this defending sucks".

Yeah the Q's reputation is rightfully bad because the league sucks right now. Put Desnoyers in the WHL or OHL and he's almost assuredly not producing at a 1.5 PPG clip he has in the Q right now.

I still think the Hischier comparison for his upside is pretty appropriate, hence why I'd still be satisfied with drafting him, but I do think him playing in the Q is hurting his reputation as a prospect. It's both from the league being bad and how bad the league has been at outputting NHL talent.

 

[Malkinstheman]

So I know the rule is that a team can only win the lottery 2 times in 5 years. Does that mean that after the 2nd win, they won't be entered into the next year's lottery and effectively everyone else's chances go up? The Sharks and Hawks are both looking at potentially getting their second win this season which means one of them won't qualify for McKenna and Dupont.

The Hawks and Sharks are likely to miss the playoffs again the next 1-2 years so them not being part of the lottery could really help the Pens odds

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

So I know the rule is that a team can only win the lottery 2 times in 5 years. Does that mean that after the 2nd win, they won't be entered into the next year's lottery and effectively everyone else's chances go up? The Sharks and Hawks are both looking at potentially getting their second win this season which means one of them won't qualify for McKenna and Dupont.

The Hawks and Sharks are likely to miss the playoffs again the next 1-2 years so them not being part of the lottery could really help the Pens odds

That's interesting. I wonder if, because it's a new rule, the count begins this season and onward or the tally goes back to the previous four years as well.

 

[Ulf5]

Ryabkins stock seems to be dropping rapidly at this point. He does have alot of red flags but I wouldnt mind picking him with one of the thirds

I'd do it. 19-9-7-16. USHL but still, first exposure to NA hockey I believe.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I would like Desnoyers if it was in the teens/twenties. I do not think he’s going to be most effective at C at the next level. I think he probably ends up a top 15 player from the class but I see a career and upside like Reilly Smith (when he was good). I think he’s a complimentary player who is not going to drive play in an NHL top 9.

That’s an excellent career in the big picture but not dying to get him at 6OA.

 

[Malkinstheman]

I would like Desnoyers if it was in the teens/twenties. I do not think he’s going to be most effective at C at the next level. I think he probably ends up a top 15 player from the class but I see a career and upside like Reilly Smith (when he was good). I think he’s a complimentary player who is not going to drive play in an NHL top 9.

That’s an excellent career in the big picture but not dying to get him at 6OA.

Do you have a top-10 ranking in mind for the draft?

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Do you have a top-10 ranking in mind for the draft?

No. If I’m not busy with life after draft order is finalized I may look really hard at the guys we will consider in our range.

So who knows after I do that maybe the draft is so bad Desnoyers is the right pick at 6 lol

But in a vacuum just not seeing this rock solid 2C in him.

 

[Malkinstheman]

That's interesting. I wonder if, because it's a new rule, the count begins this season and onward or the tally goes back to the previous four years as well.

Yeah Id love to know the specifics of the rules but dont know where to look

 

[Lust for Life]

nvm brainfart

 

[Malkinstheman]

So I know the rule is that a team can only win the lottery 2 times in 5 years. Does that mean that after the 2nd win, they won't be entered into the next year's lottery and effectively everyone else's chances go up? The Sharks and Hawks are both looking at potentially getting their second win this season which means one of them won't qualify for McKenna and Dupont.

The Hawks and Sharks are likely to miss the playoffs again the next 1-2 years so them not being part of the lottery could really help the Pens odds

Okay so looks like I was partially wrong here. It only counts as a lottery win IF you move up in the draft. You could get the 1st overall 5 years in a row if you finish dead last every year.

San Jose finished 32nd and got Celebrini so they are fine. Chicago finished 31st and won the lottery for Bedard so they they can only win the lottery to move up 1 more time in the next 3 years.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Okay so looks like I was partially wrong here. It only counts as a lottery win IF you move up in the draft. You could get the 1st overall 5 years in a row if you finish dead last every year.

San Jose finished 32nd and got Celebrini so they are fine. Chicago finished 31st and won the lottery for Bedard so they they can only win the lottery to move up 1 more time in the next 3 years.

Interesting. More ammo for the Tank Now Committee!

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Okay so looks like I was partially wrong here. It only counts as a lottery win IF you move up in the draft. You could get the 1st overall 5 years in a row if you finish dead last every year.

San Jose finished 32nd and got Celebrini so they are fine. Chicago finished 31st and won the lottery for Bedard so they they can only win the lottery to move up 1 more time in the next 3 years.

Very interesting. Where did you read that?

 

[Malkinstheman]

Very interesting. Where did you read that?

https://media.nhl.com/public/news/14767

No single team will be able to advance in the Draft order by reason of winning a Lottery Draw more than two (2) times in any five (5) year period. This limitation will not affect a Club’s ability to retain its presumptive Draft position in any Draft Lottery, nor would it preclude the possibility of the Club moving down in Draft Order to the extent other Clubs advance by reason of winning the Lottery Draws. For purposes of clarity, the limitation would attach to the team, not the specific pick.

By way of example, if a Club were to win the first Lottery Draw as the 7th Worst-Finishing Club in Year 1 (thereby earning the First Overall Selection in the succeeding Draft), and the second Lottery Draw as the 13th Worst-Finishing Club in Year 3 (thereby earning the Third Overall Selection in the succeeding Draft), that Club would no longer be eligible to benefit by winning a Lottery Draw in either of Year 4 or Year 5, and would not be able to benefit again by winning the Draft Lottery (or either of the Draft Lottery Draws) until Year 6 at the earliest.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The moving up as opposed to simply being 1st overall stipulation makes the most sense, glad it works like that. Made no sense to punish teams who finish last and end up getting the 1st overall pick. Never know with the NHL though, good to have some clarity.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

So, don't win the lottery this year, just stay where you are or move down. Then try to win the lottery next year or 2027.

That seems like a good plan. And this team is chock full of good plans these days.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

The Pens need to go full tank for Ovechkin Capitals and bring up a goalie who is currently working at a job where he asks "do you want fries with that?"

So, don't win the lottery this year, just stay where you are or move down. Then try to win the lottery next year or 2027.

That seems like a good plan. And this team is chock full of good plans these days.

 

[SEALBound]

25 - Misa
26 - McKenna
27 - DuPont

Sid passes the torch to the trio in a touching moment. Seems like Uncle Gary would WANT that.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I wonder if Hagens falls at all.