Brendan smith did it for Kakko from what’s been said.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted
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So from a leader standpoint
Kreider’s work ethic and training
- He took Buchy under his wing
- But he is soft..
Goody is good for Chityl, Laf and big G
Pararin is trying to help Kravy but he doesn’t have that type of leadership in him. Maybe Kreider could help him with Russian language skills.
The challenge is that we do not have not enough grit with skill.. alway go for the real flashy players.. that not going to win us a cup.. keep the 2 1st round picks..don’t trade them..
Kreider’s work ethic and training
- He took Buchy under his wing
- But he is soft..
Goody is good for Chityl, Laf and big G
Pararin is trying to help Kravy but he doesn’t have that type of leadership in him. Maybe Kreider could help him with Russian language skills.
The challenge is that we do not have not enough grit with skill.. alway go for the real flashy players.. that not going to win us a cup.. keep the 2 1st round picks..don’t trade them..
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kinger8998
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You don't keep 1st round picks to draft minor league depth. 1st round picks typically come from CHL where they must remain for 2 more years as its NHL or nothing, or they will remain in Europe or NCAA to continue development.
They won't play a factor as depth or NHL factors in this org for 3 years, so for a contending team, they most likely end up becoming more deadline bait with 1st rounders.
Panarin himelf said in an interview that he has no idea where the rumors are coming from because hes got a full NMC and controls his destiny.
Drury being irate or not, Panarin is not the solution to your cap wishes. Hes got a full NMC his entire contract, chose to come here for less money, and won't waive to go to any team with teh cap space to facilitate it. Also, the Rangers won't retain cap on Panarin to move him, and then you're technically only paying whatever option replaces him an extra amount (that amount being whatever you retained on Panarin). Panarin absolutely is bulletproof, until he chooses to remove his kevlar vest. Which puts him in fulll control.
Kreiders NMC becomes NTC July 1 2024 and Trouba NMC becomes NTC for 24-25. Theres your cap relief. Panarin will outlast 1 or both of them.
Trade for players who can be help beyond this season. These stupid rental trades are ridiculous. The Rangers did it last season in a shitty draft year and the team was battling for first in their division. The Copp trade was conditional on the Rangers winning two playoff rounds and Copp playing 50% of the games.
The Rangers were having a better season last season. The Rangers still needed 7 games to beat Pittsburgh and Carolina with their backups playing 13 out of the 14 games. Jarry played game 7 on one leg.
Georgiev was better than Halak. The Rangers will need Halak to play and win some games here. Igor can't play every game. He will be on fumes by the time the playoffs start and the Rangers will be knocked out in 5 games in the first round of the playoffs. That is assuming the Rangers even make the playoffs this season. Valiquette says a backup goaltender needs to backstop his team to 25 points or more in the standings. Halak has helped the Rangers with 3 points in the standings. Christmas is two weeks from today. 3 lousy points.
The team isn't good enough and you want to trade first round picks for rentals.
The Rangers will not have much left in the organization if they keep going for it every season. The Rangers will need to keep their first round picks and play them because the current group isn't good enough right now and there is no one besides Othmann who is guaranteed to play in this league. People want to trade him for a rental too. Some of their older players will only get worse in the next few seasons and you want to keep trading 1st round picks for only 40 days or more.
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I think folks will be surprised on how many first round picks are moved for rentals this year (or lack there of). This is a very very good and deep draft. I think we might see more 2024 picks being dealt then 2023.
Some of it will come down to supply and demand too. If there are more sellers then buyers the price typical drops soon. The West is an absolute mess right now. I can see Calgary falling off and the Avs picking it up once healthy. There might not even be a race for the last wild card spot.
The only way I see the Rangers moving one of those picks is if it's a player that is going into RFA that they can re-sign (IE not Meier).
Some of it will come down to supply and demand too. If there are more sellers then buyers the price typical drops soon. The West is an absolute mess right now. I can see Calgary falling off and the Avs picking it up once healthy. There might not even be a race for the last wild card spot.
The only way I see the Rangers moving one of those picks is if it's a player that is going into RFA that they can re-sign (IE not Meier).
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BBKers
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I would go for a few filler pieces. Think Bjugstad. Motte. A decent backup. Maybe Domi. Maybe Soucy. If they do not price themselves out.
I think its definitely a fair conversation. We're on a nice little 3 game winning steak here. We've beaten a seriously underperforming St Louis team and then 2 depleted teams in Vegas and Colorado. Before this little run we had lost 5 of the last 6 games, which included losses to some of the absolute worst teams in the league. Losses to Anaheim, Ottawa, Chicago... this team should not lose that many consecutive games against teams like that. It looked like we were about to freefall before these last few wins. Pair that with Panarin having a bad November and I think it becomes a legitimate conversation if that trend continued.
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bleedblue94
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I'm not sure what would lead you to think this? Turk is entirely a coach that's hands off of the room and wants the vets to run the room, exactly like AV was
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He's not going anywhere...not sure why people are debating this, neither is Kreider, Zibanejad or Fox.
Late first rounders can backfil this team with skilled players every year to help us with our cap. When we have so much money committed you need young players developing so you don't have to run out and pay for mid 6 players. We could really have used that 1st rounder from last year not to mention Morgan Barron. You need young players to offset the high cap hits, now and in the future.
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Blais for Motte is an exchange I can see working for both teams. Ottawa can resign Blais for cheap and give him a chance to keep recovering and we know Motte works for us and could potentially resign him for 2 years cheap as well.
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I'm still unconvinced this team is worth adding to, especially at the cost of any 1st rounders in a draft this deep. I see a first round exit in our future, that's if we even make the playoffs.
Panarin not going anywhere he doesn’t want and not going anywhere period are two different things. I don’t think the latter is that simple.
Players want to be wanted. If Drury decides he wants to move on from Panarin and doesn’t want to wait for the Krieder or Trouba NMC to roll off (or simply likes them and their cap hits better at that moment), there are ways to do it. The cap is going up for everyone, but not enough for us. Hard decisions will need to be made and this is one that could become viable if we’re not a playoff team and Panarin’s minutes are cut. Burns was traded in a flat cap year and he is much older.
To me the obstacle isn’t finding a team it works for, it’s finding a situation that works for Panarin for 2-3 more years.
Players want to be wanted. If Drury decides he wants to move on from Panarin and doesn’t want to wait for the Krieder or Trouba NMC to roll off (or simply likes them and their cap hits better at that moment), there are ways to do it. The cap is going up for everyone, but not enough for us. Hard decisions will need to be made and this is one that could become viable if we’re not a playoff team and Panarin’s minutes are cut. Burns was traded in a flat cap year and he is much older.
To me the obstacle isn’t finding a team it works for, it’s finding a situation that works for Panarin for 2-3 more years.
3 Year window with 10-8-20 where we must not trade any 1st rounders..if during this window we are middle of the road 20 and 8 must be flipped for picks or youth. Lets get some more experience in the playoffs...beat the debbies with this current roster in the 1st rd of playoffs...
failure
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I know right? Driving him to the rink and trying to make him more social really hindered his development.
EdJovanovski
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Can’t wait to trade him for a 4th rounder and watch him go on outscore all of our top picks
NYR Viper
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I wonder what Florida is going to do with their cap issues. I’d be interested in Duclair or Hornqvist if they want to dump him.
Its your fantasy, but it'll never happen. He'll play 40 games max before going back to Russia.
Yep. Completely agree.
Unless something really changes before the TDL it’s just not worth giving up any 1st. Team isn’t going anywhere in the playoffs as of now
Wait for UFA. See if Pavs is interested in coming over here for a year.
bbny
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Panarin bumper. He’s not that great on the right boards on the PP anyway. Doesn’t shoot. Passes from there across to Zib work one out of a hundred. Might be able to do some cycling to get creative and change looks so the puck isn’t completely off his stick the whole time.
SA16
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Second behind only McDavid in 5v4 A/game the last 3 years but he’s not good there alright
bbny
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He didn’t switch over there until last December I believe after Zibanejad took Panarin’s normal spot on the left when Panarin was out. Prior to that he was where Zib is now and he was much more dangerous, so 3 years isn’t the right story to tell here. What are the stats from last December, and remove secondary assists because passing to Fox and Fox passing to Zibanejad for the one timer doesn’t really validate that Panarin’s skills are utilized on the right boards. I’m not digging Panarin btw. I love the guy
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I didn't get to watch the entire game against Colorado, can somebody help me understand how kakko went from 23 minutes against Vegas immediately back down to 16 minutes against Colorado? He played really good in Vegas, so I'm trying to figure out if he got lost in a special team shuffle or was he moved down the lineup again or what happened? I don't want to get caught up on time on ice, but it's really frustrating to see them make a shift to give these guys more ice time in the team overall looked better and then reverting back to lesser ice time for them.
I they won the game the other night, but going to a shootout against a team that's missing possibly five of their top six forwards is kind of disappointing in some ways
I they won the game the other night, but going to a shootout against a team that's missing possibly five of their top six forwards is kind of disappointing in some ways
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