Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[xsniper11x]

Edstrom/Berard/Sykora are all great skaters.

I'm not saying any of them are going to be stars but them becoming contributors increases team speed.

Yes, these picks, combined with Drury’s deadline additions, give me confidence he knows the issue that needs to be addressed. However, Panarin’s contract is likely over by the time they’re ready to contribute. By then, 3 more years have passed by without our kids getting PP time or speed in our lineup to complement their skillsets.

I don’t love the solution, I just don’t see another one. This team as constructed simply can’t afford a $12mm W that doesn’t provide speed and we already had a decent PO run w/ minimal contribution from him. If anyone has any other ideas, I’m all ears.

 

[McRanger92]

The Rangers don't have much to sell because all of their players are signed long term. Lindgren would be the best candidate if the Rangers were in the sell mode.

I hate rentals.

They aren’t selling

 

[Rangers in 7]

All I’ll add to this conversation is that if the cap goes up by 4 mil next season our cap “hell” gets a little better

Obviously that’s wishful thinking but at some point soon the cap will rise and that will alleviate the tight squeeze

Also I’m surprised by everyone being against adding Kane, he’s not the perfect player but I do think putting him on a line with panarin and chytil would see his production skyrocket. I mean she’s playing with anathasiou (sp?) and the rotting corpse of toews at ES

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Yes, these picks, combined with Drury’s deadline additions, give me confidence he knows the issue that needs to be addressed. However, Panarin’s contract is likely over by the time they’re ready to contribute. By then, 3 more years have passed by without our kids getting PP time or speed in our lineup to complement their skillsets.

I don’t love the solution, I just don’t see another one. This team as constructed simply can’t afford a $12mm W that doesn’t provide speed and we already had a decent PO run w/ minimal contribution from him. If anyone has any other ideas, I’m all ears.

Edstrom and Berard are in the org next season. Edstrom will be a man already. I know he's having a bad year in Sweden but he doesn't need to do much, he already got his contract. If he can work on his weaknesses this year and show up to camp in top shape next year, there's a spot for him.

These type of players aren't going to get 1st line minutes but be depth players and PK to start.

Sykora probably comes to the AHL fall 2024.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

All I’ll add to this conversation is that if the cap goes up by 4 mil next season our cap “hell” gets a little better

Obviously that’s wishful thinking but at some point soon the cap will rise and that will alleviate the tight squeeze

Also I’m surprised by everyone being against adding Kane, he’s not the perfect player but I do think putting him on a line with panarin and chytil would see his production skyrocket. I mean she’s playing with anathasiou (sp?) and the rotting corpse of toews at ES

Vesey is probably back with a minor raise, Chtyil goes to arb, Miller and Laf get bridged, they find a cheap backup, and Goodrow is probably dealt with retention is the most likely scenario.

The roster spots are going to be filled by Othmann and whoever shows the most out of Cullye/Trivigno/Berard/Edstrom next season. My money is on Edstrom because he's more physically mature and can skate.

 

[Fitzy]

All I’ll add to this conversation is that if the cap goes up by 4 mil next season our cap “hell” gets a little better

Obviously that’s wishful thinking but at some point soon the cap will rise and that will alleviate the tight squeeze

Also I’m surprised by everyone being against adding Kane, he’s not the perfect player but I do think putting him on a line with panarin and chytil would see his production skyrocket. I mean she’s playing with anathasiou (sp?) and the rotting corpse of toews at ES

Because what this team needs is more depth, not more elite talent.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Because what this team needs is more depth, not more elite talent.

Well adding elite talent means you have more depth….it pushes players down in the lineup which makes your lineup deeper

The whole add more depth by adding bottom six players doesn’t change the fact that goodrow is on our second line. You add an elite talent like taransenko or Kane you instantly become a deeper team, I don’t know how people don’t realize this

 

[Fitzy]

Well adding elite talent means you have more depth….it pushes players down in the lineup which makes your lineup deeper

The whole add more depth by adding bottom six players doesn’t change the fact that goodrow is on our second line. You add an elite talent like taransenko or Kane you instantly become a deeper team, I don’t know how people don’t realize this

Oh sure, but if you get Kane that's your one acquisition. He uses up most of the accrued cap.

I'd rather get two guys at least- a middle 6 forward and a 3rd pairing left defenseman. Maybe a better 4C too if one is available.

Also NYR would have to completely re-imagine their PP unit to fit Kane on it. I really don't see how it would work. Zibanejad would have to play bumper which is a waste of his talent.

 

[xsniper11x]

Edstrom and Berard are in the org next season. Edstrom will be a man already. I know he's having a bad year in Sweden but he doesn't need to do much, he already got his contract. If he can work on his weaknesses this year and show up to camp in top shape next year, there's a spot for him.

These type of players aren't going to get 1st line minutes but be depth players and PK to start.

Sykora probably comes to the AHL fall 2024.

Agreed on all of that, but it doesn’t address the issue. How do we get speed in our lineup to complement our kids in the top 6? Subsituting Vesey, Gaut and Blais for those three could be great for our bottom 6 over time, but I don’t see it fixing our core issues in the near future. Freeing up $12mm in cap, not to mention possibly getting assets for Panarin (wouldn’t expect much given NMC) potentially could.

The alternative is we just wind his deal down, be a middle of the road team while our kids get 14-16m a night w/ little PP time. That scenario is the worst of both worlds.

 

[GAGLine]

How about we try NO RENTALS at all. If they’re trading for someone, look to keep them or have them already under contract moving forward. I doubt Garland will cost much. Vancouver is looking to shed cap and he is redundant. He’s the type of player that would be unique on the Rangers and he plays a position of weakness at RW. He’s also 26.

How are we fitting Garland under the cap? I doubt Vancouver is looking to retain for the next 3 years, and even if they are willing, he still costs more than we can afford. Who are you moving out to make room for him?

 

[Rangers in 7]

Oh sure, but if you get Kane that's your one acquisition. He uses up most of the accrued cap.

I'd rather get two guys at least- a middle 6 forward and a 3rd pairing left defenseman. Maybe a better 4C too if one is available.

Also NYR would have to completely re-imagine their PP unit to fit Kane on it. I really don't see how it would work. Zibanejad would have to play bumper which is a waste of his talent.

I mean that’s a problem I’d gladly love to have.

I’m not all aboard the kane bandwagon by any means but adding him makes us a more dangerous team no doubt about it

 

[duhmetreE]

How are we fitting Garland under the cap? I doubt Vancouver is looking to retain for the next 3 years, and even if they are willing, he still costs more than we can afford. Who are you moving out to make room for him?

would Vancouver eat cap?

It'd probably have to be a large return so it most likely wont work

He was a phenomenal 5v5 player last season but the team is in shambles this year.

Kravtsov + pick for Garland @ 50%; highly unlikely but you never know

 

[DanielBrassard]

How are we fitting Garland under the cap? I doubt Vancouver is looking to retain for the next 3 years, and even if they are willing, he still costs more than we can afford. Who are you moving out to make room for him?

The cap would need to go up this offseason for us to afford him, that's the only way.

 

[haohmaru]

Avs last year and the Rangers are in very different places. The Avs last year was more along the lines of late 90s/early 2000s Avs/Det/Dal. They also had a boatload of cap room.

Did I say anything at all about the Rangers? No - I was just providing an example in agreeing with another poster that Cup winning teams add at the deadline all the time.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Did I say anything at all about the Rangers? No - I was just providing an example in agreeing with another poster that Cup winning teams add at the deadline all the time.

They do. But it's not so black and white as some posters and general internet commentary thinks. "Duh...da Rainjazz are gunna trade Kaako and Laf faw Patrike Kane".

There's being a Cup favorite when you're a President's Trophy winner or close to it adding, or being a playoff team with a flawed roster and looking to fill some holes in the hopes they gel. I'd put Vatrano and Motte in the later.

 

[haohmaru]

They do. But it's not so black and white as some posters and general internet commentary thinks. "Duh...da Rainjazz are gunna trade Kaako and Laf faw Patrike Kane".

There's being a Cup favorite when you're a President's Trophy winner or close to it adding, or being a playoff team with a flawed roster and looking to fill some holes in the hopes they gel. I'd put Vatrano and Motte in the later.

Preaching to the choir, dude.

We're on the same page.

 

[Vitto79]

Tarasenko and Barbashev at 50 for a 1st, 3rd and Kravtsov

If the Rangers are in a safe playoff spot and STL is out go for it

 

[xsniper11x]

Because what this team needs is more depth, not more elite talent.

Ideally top 6 players with speed that can push players into the bottom 6 to create depth. 5 Ws in the top 6 (including Kravtsov) that all lack speed is a major problem.

 

[xsniper11x]

How are we fitting Garland under the cap? I doubt Vancouver is looking to retain for the next 3 years, and even if they are willing, he still costs more than we can afford. Who are you moving out to make room for him?

Which is why I go back to trading Panarin. No matter what solution you try to come up with, “we need more cap” is the answer. 2-3 players, whether it be 2Ws and a D or 3Ws, all with speed that can be 2nd/3rd line or mid pairing players would make this team a lot more dangerous. As opposed to relying on a single $12mm W who, for his talent, adds nothing in the speed department.

 

[TominNC]

I'm just not confident, and I don't think the Rangers will be either, going into the playoffs with Kravtsov as a top 6RW especially when we also have 2 other top 6 wingers under 22.

I'm not one of those experience matters more than being good, but I don't think a team has ever won with 3 top 6 players 22 or under.

ESPECIALLY when we are all up in arms about Goodrow or Vesey filling a top 6 role, and they would be the backup option to Kravtsov as Laf cements himself as a viable option to play top 6 LW over Kreider.

And like it or not, despite the struggles, a team with Igor, Fox, Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Trouba, Trocheck contracts as well as Kakko and Chytil on bridges and Laf in final year of ELC will most definitely be giving their best effort to win right now no matter how strong the 2023 draft class is.

Doens't need to be Kane, but this team will 99% be adding at the deadline as long as we are in the Playoffs, and we will either move one of our 1st round picks, or we will move our 2nd and 3rd and not pick again until the 6th round.

I will agree, if its not Kane or Tarasenko, we can likely keep both our 1sts. Options after them in terms of a RW become very thin. Nyquist, Dadonov, Domi, JVR essentially become your options. Not bad, for the cost of likely a 2nd rounder. But none of them move the needle that much in case of injury and/or Kravtsov not being cut for playoffs.

If Kravtsov is injured or can't produce come increased physicality of playoffs, and Goodrow/Vesey ends up there....I don't want to see how worked up you will all be then if you're already ready to say the sky is falling now despite a 5-1 win.

You need depth, need experience, need versatility, reliability and most of all options come playoffs. Not adding at trade deadline would be a collassal mistake


I'm fine with anyone who doesn't want to hear about Kane tuning me out, to each their own. I haven't mentioned him for WEEKS, until the topic of Goodrow occupying a top 6 RW seemingly saying the team will add there to move Goodrow down in the lineup at the expense of Kravtsov being a topic of conversation.

I was going on and on before I took a weeks long break of mentioning him, but if mentioning it again for the first time in a while in the midst of a talk about hints from lineups, deadline additions etc makes people tune me out, then that is out of my control.

Keep beating the drum. The people here love reading endless calls for someone not playing for the Rangers….

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Tarasenko and Barbashev at 50 for a 1st, 3rd and Kravtsov

If the Rangers are in a safe playoff spot and STL is out go for it

Why is St. Louis trading probably one of the top rentals on the market and a decent bottom 6 guy, AND eat half the cap hit for a first a third and somebody that has zero trade value?

 

[kinger8998]

Well adding elite talent means you have more depth….it pushes players down in the lineup which makes your lineup deeper

The whole add more depth by adding bottom six players doesn’t change the fact that goodrow is on our second line. You add an elite talent like taransenko or Kane you instantly become a deeper team, I don’t know how people don’t realize this

This. You can add depth players at a reduced cost for sure, or you can add impact players where the holes are vacant (top 6 RW) to push players that shouldn't be there (Goodrow) to their proper places (bottom 6) to CREATE depth through impact/elite additions.

Oh sure, but if you get Kane that's your one acquisition. He uses up most of the accrued cap.

I'd rather get two guys at least- a middle 6 forward and a 3rd pairing left defenseman. Maybe a better 4C too if one is available.

Also NYR would have to completely re-imagine their PP unit to fit Kane on it. I really don't see how it would work. Zibanejad would have to play bumper which is a waste of his talent.

Fitzy, I agree with this. The PP is the part of Kane that makes it almost unworkable. I mean you're not paying a high cost to get him to put him on a 2PP that plays 30 seconds.
So you either have to split time more evenly or put a square peg in a round hole and put Kane/Panarin in the bumper. Just doesn't work.
The fit is clear as 2RW with Chytil and Panarin though at ES.

Which is why I go back to trading Panarin. No matter what solution you try to come up with, “we need more cap” is the answer. 2-3 players, whether it be 2Ws and a D or 3Ws, all with speed that can be 2nd/3rd line or mid pairing players would make this team a lot more dangerous. As opposed to relying on a single $12mm W who, for his talent, adds nothing in the speed department.

Panarin will not be traded. This isn't even a possibility. People don't just waive NMC's unless they request trade or are an aging vet on a bottom feeder. Panarin won't request trade (and we aren't going to force him to) and as currently constructed with longterm contracts and youth, we won't be a bottom feeder anytime soon.

Keep beating the drum. The people here love reading endless calls for someone not playing for the Rangers….

I feel like this is a negative comment towards me, when the whole post was about how I haven't mentioned it for weeks or made it a topic of convo until someone else did, then I added and contributed.
Or its positive and you're sick of people on here trying to contort themselves into not getting Kane. I can't tell.

What I do know is this team is going to add at the deadline at the expense of some picks. Contenders always add, and we aren't accruing significant cap space for the fun of it. I could either see 2 middle 6 forwards and a 3rd pair D, or big forward + 3rd pair D.

Also, you can count on Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, Kreider, Trocheck, and Trouba being here until their NMC's expire. They aren't waiving prior. The fantasies of their trades before that are just that - fantasies. Players and agents construct their contracts a certain way for a reason.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Why is St. Louis trading probably one of the top rentals on the market and a decent bottom 6 guy, AND eat half the cap hit for a first a third and somebody that has zero trade value?

they owe us for buch

 

[Matt Rentfree]

they owe us for buch

A cogent argument.

 

[rangersfansince08]

A cogent argument.

drury is playing the long game. thats why he traded buch for peanuts. all part of the plan.