Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[lakeshirts37]

Does this team have one... ONE, A-type/alpha personality?

hardooooooooo

 

[mas0764]

Looking backwards, this half ass retool really will come back to bite us. Better do a full rebuild and suck for a while. The Devils did it right. The Ducks will be really good team in 3-4 years.

How was this even called a rebuild? We were promised a rebuild and not a retool. Looking back at some of the events, no wonder we are where we are. Some of this is a year prior to the rebuild, but it just shows that lots of bad choices where made on management level. Still can't understand the love for Gorton on this board, I mean...he basically screwed up most of the big trades and signings.

- 1C Stepan and backup Raanta traded. Got ADA in return and bought him out couple of seasons later. Also got a nice 7 OA pick.
- select Lias Andersson #7 overall. He is long gone for a 2nd rounder.
- Sign Shattenkirk and buy him out couple of season later.
- Trade McDonagh and JT Miller for a bag of pucks. McDonagh will become the backbone of Tampa's defense and wins multiple cups. JT Miller turns into an elite PPG player.
- Three first round picks in 2018. Yay. Nils Lundkvist is gone. Select Kravtsov #9 and Miller #22. Meh.
- Instead of tearing it all down, sign Trouba and Panarin for big bucks. What rebuilding team does this?
- Give Kreider an extension instead of trading him to the stars for Robertson and a first round pick.
- Signing Kreider prevents us from signing Buch, a team favorite. Traded for a 4th liner and a 2nd round pick. Puts up PPG numbers for STL
- Team gets lucky and wins two lotteries in a row. Fail to develop 1OA and 2nd OA draft picks.


I mean...this is a horrible read. There are obviously some good things in there. The Mika trade and Shesty pick was great and the Nash trade was fine. Buy overall most of the big trades and signings have backfired.

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I said it a million times, they needed more forward talent in the pipeline. They cut off the rebuild too early. A down year threatens our viability because all our top line players are 30

 

[CasusBelli]

I said it a million times, they needed more forward talent in the pipeline. They cut off the rebuild too early. A down year threatens our viability because all our top line players are 30

They did call it a partial rebuild from the very beginning. That’s where the mistake began. You can’t do partial rebuilds in the cap era.

 

[I Eat Crow]

We are f***ed.

 

[QJL]

I am actually starting to think we’re going to be in the Bedard sweepstakes. We need to clean house immediately.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I am actually starting to think we’re going to be in the Bedard sweepstakes. We need to clean house immediately.

Can't wait to see him bust here

Which of the three was worse: Drury the signing, Drury the captain, or Drury the GM/Pres?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

We should have an HFNYR get together on Friday, at 9PM when the Rangers play the Avs.

Not to watch the game(LOL that would be super dumb), just to drink.

 

[Lion Hound]

We got robbed.

6 Games since the trade. Rangers won 1 of them.

But, yeah at least they got rid of Reaves massive cap hit.

 

[Synergy27]

We got robbed.

This was embarrassing while he was here and remains so while he’s there.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m glad we have folks carving out the “the team is falling apart because they traded dinosaur enforcer Reaves” lane

The site really does provide the full gamut of opinions

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

So disappointed with Miller’s year.

Would like to see him get an extended look away from Trouba and see if he improves.

If he doesn’t he could be the guy that it would be ballsy to trade. Getting some Skjei flashbacks.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

So disappointed with Miller’s year.

Would like to see him get an extended look away from Trouba and see if he improves.

If he doesn’t he could be the guy that it would be ballsy to trade. Getting some Skjei flashbacks.

He's been glued to an injured Trouba all year. He's not going to get a massive pay raise.

This fanbase has to realize that not every season is linear in progression.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Other than being in New York and having a big checkbook, is there anything that separates this franchise from the worst ones in the league?

That's not really fair. Rangers have been pretty good and consistent since the 2005 lockout.

There was a 25 year period when players didn't want to even play here form like the mid 60s to early 90s.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

He's been glued to an injured Trouba all year. He's not going to get a massive pay raise.

This fanbase has to realize that not every season is linear in progression.

Sometimes it’s non linear development.

Sometimes it’s a player revealing fatal flaws previously glossed over by the optimism that surrounds young high picks.

There’s a reason why Skjei got the contract he did. He was extremely promising at both ends. Then he revealed over time that his athleticism wasn’t enough to make up for what was between his ears.

I’m not saying that is the case with Miller but he has been so bad this year that it is now a concern for me. Yes being stapled to Trouba makes it tough to tell.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I know people were talking the other day about trying to move Kreider before his NMC changes... if we're talking hypotheticals here the first one I'd ask to waive is Panarin. Dude has been an albatross this year. 2nd highest paid player in the league, he really has the skill level to challenge for the best winger in the league but he's developed some really poor habits the past couple years. He hasn't done anything this year to ward off concerns about how his play will translate in the playoffs. Kreider makes half the money and had the same production in last years playoffs. Panarin has 28 in 26 games, theres plenty of other players hovering around a PPG making far less. The question here is, if Panarin isn't playing all-world aren't we better off acquiring someone even at a notch below so we can use the additional cap to afford much needed depth.

Obviously who knows if he'd even waive, not a ton of landing spots with that contract either but St Louis has to be a prime choice. Another team with a really talented roster that's underperforming big time. They locked in Thomas and Kyrou to big deals. 12.8 in cap space for them this summer with O'Reilly, Barbashev and Tarasenko as UFAs. Last thing I saw is Tarasenko still intends on leaving St Louis. Maybe a deal centered around him with some additions. Right wing, big time shooter/goal scorer. Don't know if he's the ideal target, some injury concerns there, but something that's realistic and makes some sense. If he's not a fit you move him at the deadline.

Hopefully it doesnt come to any of that but the way this season is playing out I'm not holding my breath, I'm becoming more excited about this draft than the prospect of us in the playoffs.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Sometimes it’s non linear development.

Sometimes it’s a player revealing fatal flaws.

There’s a reason why Skjei got the contract he did. He was extremely promising at both ends. Then he revealed over time that his athleticism wasn’t enough to make up for what was between his ears.

I’m not saying that is the case with Miller but he has been so bad this year that it is now a concern for me. Yes being stapled to Trouba makes it tough to tell.

Miller is a much better player than Skjei. They have noting in common besides being from Minnesota.

I know people were talking the other day about trying to move Kreider before his NMC changes... if we're talking hypotheticals here the first one I'd ask to waive is Panarin. Dude has been an albatross this year. 2nd highest paid player in the league, he really has the skill level to challenge for the best winger in the league but he's developed some really poor habits the past couple years. He hasn't done anything this year to ward off concerns about how his play will translate in the playoffs. Kreider makes half the money and had the same production in last years playoffs. Panarin has 28 in 26 games, theres plenty of other players hovering around a PPG making far less. The question here is, if Panarin isn't playing all-world aren't we better off acquiring someone even at a notch below so we can use the additional cap to afford much needed depth.

Obviously who knows if he'd even waive, not a ton of landing spots with that contract either but St Louis has to be a prime choice. Another team with a really talented roster that's underperforming big time. They locked in Thomas and Kyrou to big deals. 12.8 in cap space for them this summer with O'Reilly, Barbashev and Tarasenko as UFAs. Last thing I saw is Tarasenko still intends on leaving St Louis. Maybe a deal centered around him with some additions. Right wing, big time shooter/goal scorer. Don't know if he's the ideal target, some injury concerns there, but something that's realistic and makes some sense. If he's not a fit you move him at the deadline.

Hopefully it doesnt come to any of that but the way this season is playing out I'm not holding my breath, I'm becoming more excited about this draft than the prospect of us in the playoffs.

Panarin's been a diva the last year and change. This season he doesn't want to do anything except make high risk passes.

I have no proof but he's probably pissed and moping they traded his buddies in back to back years.

 

[duhmetreE]

Hypothetically speaking

Drury gives the order to 'healthy scratch' Panarin... does that wake him up or move him into a position to waive his NMC?

In this theoretical unicorn world, what team could even take on Panarin's contract?

How's the DJ scene in Toronto?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Does this team have one... ONE, A-type/alpha personality?

That's been a problem for decades and why I've said on at least 20 different occasions, this team needs a sport psychology team to be part of their infrastructure.

You can't go from drafting soft low intensity players and try to make up for it with loose cannons.

You also need someone to talk to the players and help them through difficulties.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Miller is a much better player than Skjei. They have noting in common besides being from Minnesota.


Panarin's been a diva the last year and change. This season he doesn't want to do anything except make high risk passes.

I have no proof but he's probably pissed and moping they traded his buddies in back to back years.

I know some people here have alluded that when he got mauled a couple years ago it may have caused him to become a bit more risk averse. He lost Buch, he lost Strome, maybe it's some off ice stuff like that. I don't know what the deal is

 

[Guyute]

Miller is a much better player than Skjei. They have noting in common besides being from Minnesota.


Panarin's been a diva the last year and change. This season he doesn't want to do anything except make high risk passes.

I have no proof but he's probably pissed and moping they traded his buddies in back to back years.

He was a diva in the covid play-in round vs. Carolina prior to the Tom Wilson mauling

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Here’s a concern. Drury has to go to Dolan and say “ You know that guy I hired 15 months ago; well I made a mistake and it’s going to cost you 9 million dollars once I release him and at least another 6 million dollars over the next two seasons to possibly (no guarantee) to fix it. We cool Jim.”

 

[bobbop]

This team feels eerily like the 1992-93 Rangers.

 

[bleedblue94]

I know some people here have alluded that when he got mauled a couple years ago it may have caused him to become a bit more risk averse. He lost Buch, he lost Strome, maybe it's some off ice stuff like that. I don't know what the deal is

It's not alluded to, there is information behind it and the injury he suffered and a direct correlation to that information and what we see from him now.

This team feels eerily like the 1992-93 Rangers.

This team is not nearly as good as those rangers.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Tomorrow should be the beginning of some movement.

I'd like to see Hajek and Carpenter as the first and easiest people to go whether by waivers or lateral moves.

I'd call up Ottawa and see if they'd do Holden for Hajek. I know Holden was unpopular here and he's old, but as a stopgap 6/7 D, I'm fine with it.

Give Johnny Brodz a shot at stopgap 4C for a few games.

If they're out of contention come deadline Blais is an easy guy to move.

I keep bringing up Nieto and Bonino from SJ as depth. Bonino doesn't have any offense left. SJ will move him.

 

[B17 Apricots]

What team could take on his contract and what team would he even be willing to waive for, if any? Slim pickings. Only 3 teams have the space without trading salary. Buffalo and Arizona have the cap space, is he waiving for them? I wouldn't put money on that. Anaheim has the space, would he waive to play in Cali with his buddy Strome? They have hardly any money tied up long term. Their future is really bright down the middle with Zegras, McTavish, Strome, Gaucher, etc... little different story on the wings. Maybe they'd look to bring in a star veteran on the wing? Chicago has some cap space, they could easily free up money but they're just beginning their rebuild. I can't really see them bringing him back at their current stage and would he even want to go back?

Other than that most teams are real close to the cap limit and would become a game of matching salaries. I mentioned St. Louis, obviously his buddy Buch is there. Tarasenko Trade Talk Resurfaces: He Has Not Rescinded Trade Request
This is from this past off-season. I'd say there's a good chance Tarasenko will be gone, whether through trade or free agency. O'Reilly would be an awesome target but I think they'd like to re-sign him. Different ways to make the money work there. There's a number of different teams and players that might make some sense but I think the Blues are probably the top one here.