Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[DanielBrassard]

Jones being sent down while Hajek is a regular doesn't even matter to me. Jones does need the reps and this team isn't winning anything anytime soon so who cares.

 

[bobbop]

Yeah. Am a big Zac guy. He has been disappointing.
Laf- Disappointing
KK- Disappointing
KAM- Disappointing
Krav- Disappointing
Chytil- Meh
Blais- Disappointing

Panarin - disappointing
Trouba - disappointing
Mika - disappointing

Dont blame it all on the shock troops

 

[Daves a mess]

Panarin - disappointing
Trouba - disappointing
Mika - disappointing

Dont blame it all on the shock troops

I'll blame whoever I choose.

I intentionally posted about the young players who, Rangers management ( I believe rightly so ) chose to put their trust in. By betting on an upward trajectory, you hope for a 50% success rate. It's been almost zero. That's another can of worms with a team sickenly full of worms.

ANY ascension from these guys would take a lot of pressure off the veterans, who have failed under the pressure of having to produce EVERY game.

Cap issues also made that trust more important and tied Drurys hands, but if he knew almost all of the young, highly drafted players would basically suck nuts, I'm sure he wouldn't of been comfortable with this squad our of camp.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

I would love a PP reset to send a message and get these guys to expand their playbook.

Kreider
Ziba Laf Kaako
Fox

Goodrow
Panarin Trochek Chytil
Miller

Time for 50/50 split. Can also swap Fil and Laf to force Panarin to shoot more. In general they are just to stagnant and don't rotate enough. It's just fox and bread doing a shoulder fake and hoping the diamond gets tired and opens up the lane.

 

[duhmetreE]

"we're only a few points out of a playoff spot"

is that some type of achievement? We're way passed this. We went to the ECF last season. Squeaking into the playoffs while playing terrible hockey is not an achievement.

No, we're not a perfect team... at this point I wouldn't even call us a good team. We're a group individuals. On any given night, if our 'top' individuals decide to play at an elite level, we win. We are not a team. We do not play like a team.

Chip the puck out, get the puck deep. I get it... IT works in the playoffs to limit mistakes.... This team's gameplan to play 'safe' hockey and yet they make more catastrophic mistakes than any team I've witnessed before.

We're just a bad team. Poorly coached. Poorly directed. Poorly executing. Everything is below average to poor. From Owner, to GM, to scouting, to 'Player Development Directors', to the players, to the prospects.....

What's the bright spot so far? Gauthier on the 4th line? Adam Fox?

It's embarrassing.

 

[SA16]

When Jones plays we are 9-5-2. The 1.25 ppg we get when he plays would put us 3rd in the Metro.

When Hajek plays we are 2-5-4. The 0.73 ppg we get when he plays would tie us with the Blackhawks as the second worst team in the NHL.

Wow jones must be the best player in the nhl if we’re attributing that record to him

 

[haohmaru]

Anaheim sucks. Whats your point? Our pp with Strome was top of the league and when he was hurt it wasn't.

The rest of the league has caught up to the Rangers PP tendencies - with or without Strome it needs to change and Strome not being here doesn't mean a hill of beans. They need a shooting threat on the right side.

Strome has ONE power play point in 24 games for the Ducks. If he was such a cog on the PP you'd think that might be a little different.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yeah. I gave him a "meh" because he's brittle and he frustrated the hell out of me with his misfires ladt night.
My point was would it be asking too much for half of these players to breakout and do well?

But yeah, I see your point. When he plays he's been decent.

Decent? What would be good then? Again, he’s probably our most consistent player right now, he’s scoring at a .75 ppg pace, as a d+6, he’s showing all the signs of breaking out.

 

[pblawr]

Wow jones must be the best player in the nhl if we’re attributing that record to him

This is kind of a snarky, thoughtless comment, but:

- The fact that the sample size is not huge and there are a lot of factors that impact the outcome of a hockey game obviously mean you should take the difference in our record when the two of them play with a grain of salt. However, it's also the case that the bigger the difference is, the more likely it is to be statistically significant and the fact that there has been such a big difference in our record when the two of them play is notable for that reason.

- It doesn't necessarily have to mean that Jones is great a player. It could just mean that while Jones has been bad, he has not been quite as bad as Hajek, who there is a lot of evidence is one of the very worst defensemen in the NHL

 

[SA16]

This is kind of a snarky, thoughtless comment, but:

- The fact that the sample size is not huge and there are a lot of factors that impact the outcome of a hockey game obviously mean you should take the difference in our record when the two of them play with a grain of salt. However, it's also the case that the bigger the difference is, the more likely it is to be statistically significant and the fact that there has been such a big difference in our record when the two of them play is notable for that reason.

- It doesn't necessarily have to mean that Jones is great a player. It could just mean that while Jones has been bad, he has not been quite as bad as Hajek, who there is a lot of evidence is one of the very worst defensemen in the NHL

It doesn't mean any of that. Regardless of how they have played, Jones so far on the year is a -1 at 5v5 and Hajek is a zero. Whether it's sustainable or not is besides the point but in their games so far this year the Rangers have had better results, on the scoreboard, when Hajek was on the ice than Jones. And I'm not saying this is predictive of anything going forward at all but the reason they have a better record with Jones in the can not be attributed to the play of Jones/Hajek. Hajek also has better expected goal numbers than Jones does this year regardless.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

This is kind of a snarky, thoughtless comment, but:

- The fact that the sample size is not huge and there are a lot of factors that impact the outcome of a hockey game obviously mean you should take the difference in our record when the two of them play with a grain of salt. However, it's also the case that the bigger the difference is, the more likely it is to be statistically significant and the fact that there has been such a big difference in our record when the two of them play is notable for that reason.

- It doesn't necessarily have to mean that Jones is great a player. It could just mean that while Jones has been bad, he has not been quite as bad as Hajek, who there is a lot of evidence is one of the very worst defensemen in the NHL

This is hilarious

 

[MrAlmost]

I don't like speculation on injuries, but at this point, if it isn't his back which I think they would shut him down for, it's a sports hernia for Trouba. It's an injury that can't get worse, but your play will get worse and worse as you can't recover without surgery. It's the only thing I can think of that effects your skating, puckhandling, balance, strength all at once.

Surgery likely puts him out, if not for the year, for all the meaningful games where we would need him and likely miss the playoffs.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The rest of the league has caught up to the Rangers PP tendencies - with or without Strome it needs to change and Strome not being here doesn't mean a hill of beans. They need a shooting threat on the right side.

Strome has ONE power play point in 24 games for the Ducks. If he was such a cog on the PP you'd think that might be a little different.

Nope....the same thing happened last year when Strome was hurt the pp went to ass. The ducks are a bottom feeding team, and i never said he was any type of wizard on the pp but he worked well on OUR pp, much the same as he worked well with Panarin, btw our best 5 on 5 line last year... hows all that goin for us now? Panarin looks lost, pp is ass, can't score 5 on 5.

 

[Daves a mess]

Decent? What would be good then? Again, he’s probably our most consistent player right now, he’s scoring at a .75 ppg pace, as a d+6, he’s showing all the signs of breaking out.

Until he's out 3 weeks with a wrist injury.

Decent.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I thought Brodzinsky was good last year. I’m hopefully he could be a positive add to the lineup, depending on who it is for…

 

[zlev]

This is kind of a snarky, thoughtless comment, but:

- The fact that the sample size is not huge and there are a lot of factors that impact the outcome of a hockey game obviously mean you should take the difference in our record when the two of them play with a grain of salt. However, it's also the case that the bigger the difference is, the more likely it is to be statistically significant and the fact that there has been such a big difference in our record when the two of them play is notable for that reason.

- It doesn't necessarily have to mean that Jones is great a player. It could just mean that while Jones has been bad, he has not been quite as bad as Hajek, who there is a lot of evidence is one of the very worst defensemen in the NHL

Jones has been a perfectly adequate 3rd pairing defenseman that needs more playing time to improve. I don't think he's going to learn shit in the AHL at this point. and as we see here, the alternative is literally the worst defenseman in the motherf***ing NHL.

 

[gravey9]

I'm far more nervous about James Dolan losing money in his businesses and the effect it will have on his desire to win this season than almost anything else. The rebuild, whatever you think of it, may be going in total reverse. If they end up trading for Patrick Kane and giving away meaningful young assets when teh team clearly has lots of issues, it would be a) so Rangers b) the beginning of the end of the idea that we might actually build a competitive team for years to come.

 

[JohnC]

I thought Brodzinsky was good last year. I’m hopefully he could be a positive add to the lineup, depending on who it is for…

The games with Brodz on the 4th line were the only games I liked the 4th line basically all year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Brodzinski will if nothing else bring some energy, something we need a ton of.

 

[haohmaru]

Nope....the same thing happened last year when Strome was hurt the pp went to ass. The ducks are a bottom feeding team, and i never said he was any type of wizard on the pp but he worked well on OUR pp, much the same as he worked well with Panarin, btw our best 5 on 5 line last year... hows all that goin for us now? Panarin looks lost, pp is ass, can't score 5 on 5.

I disagree. Our power play was lights out the first 10-12 games and other teams adjusted. We were well over 25% after 10 games. We can agree to disagree. Trocheck > Strome

 

[xsniper11x]

I would love a PP reset to send a message and get these guys to expand their playbook.

Kreider
Ziba Laf Kaako
Fox

Goodrow
Panarin Trochek Chytil
Miller

Time for 50/50 split. Can also swap Fil and Laf to force Panarin to shoot more. In general they are just too stagnant and don't rotate enough. It's just fox and bread doing a shoulder fake and hoping the diamond gets tired and opens up the lane.

Def want some form of this, but just leave Fox out for the full 2 mins. I feel whichever PP he’s on is going to be the superior one.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I dont understand bringing up Johnny Brodz as the 4th line was the only line that actually looked good last night.

 

[xsniper11x]

Nope....the same thing happened last year when Strome was hurt the pp went to ass. The ducks are a bottom feeding team, and i never said he was any type of wizard on the pp but he worked well on OUR pp, much the same as he worked well with Panarin, btw our best 5 on 5 line last year... hows all that goin for us now? Panarin looks lost, pp is ass, can't score 5 on 5.

Which isn’t a reason to keep Strome. It’s a reason to question whether or not the team is constructed properly.

 

[JohnC]

I dont understand bringing up Johnny Brodz as the 4th line was the only line that actually looked good last night.

Insurance. One of the forwards is banged up and a GTD.

 

[Kovalev27]

He hasn't been THAT bad. He makes some minor young player mistakes but the team plays with pace and speed when he's on the ice.

And he stopped getting PP time.

Trouba's been the problem this year whether it's the injury or the C weighing him down (typical Rangers).

That’s all nonsense that applied last year. But certainly not with an extended run this year. He’s been brutal defensively. Lazy on the back check and has brought next to nothing offensively.

Fighting for a wildcard spot is an embarrassment for this group.