Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Vitto79]

It was nice knowing you Jones. Gallant clearly doesn't trust him. We probably never see him again for the big club

That’s Xtreme as he’s just going down for minutes but I do think Jones is traded eventually

He’s a little guy and they will want a bigger body

 

[Kovalev27]

Oh, FFS. Jones did nothing wrong...

Jones has been absolutely terrible and no one is more disappointed than me. I thought he was the clear answer this year. It’s his fault this happened. Was basically gifted the spot from day one of camp and did nothing with it while even looking lazy at times

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Jones has been absolutely terrible and no one is more disappointed than me. I thought he was the clear answer this year. It’s his fault this happened. Was basically gifted the spot from day one of camp and did nothing with it while even looking lazy at times

He hasn't been THAT bad. He makes some minor young player mistakes but the team plays with pace and speed when he's on the ice.

And he stopped getting PP time.

Trouba's been the problem this year whether it's the injury or the C weighing him down (typical Rangers).

 

[cwede]

Jesus I hope they have no intention of playing Harpur and that this is just to get Jones some games.

It was nice knowing you Jones. Gallant clearly doesn't trust him. We probably never see him again for the big club

Oh, FFS. Jones did nothing wrong...

I wouldn't overreact, Pack have 5 games in 8 days, good time to give Jones lots of ice.
NYR home today, Monday, then quick trip to Vegas, Avs Wed/Fri

 

[Daves a mess]

Jones has been absolutely terrible and no one is more disappointed than me. I thought he was the clear answer this year. It’s his fault this happened. Was basically gifted the spot from day one of camp and did nothing with it while even looking lazy at times

Yeah. Am a big Zac guy. He has been disappointing.
Laf- Disappointing
KK- Disappointing
KAM- Disappointing
Krav- Disappointing
Chytil- Meh
Blais- Disappointing

 

[Avery16]

Jones has been absolutely terrible and no one is more disappointed than me. I thought he was the clear answer this year. It’s his fault this happened. Was basically gifted the spot from day one of camp and did nothing with it while even looking lazy at times

But also Hajek had a good game.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I wouldn't overreact, Pack have 5 games in 8 days, good time to give Jones lots of ice.
NYR home today, Monday, then quick trip to Vegas, Avs Wed/Fri

Haha I've become quite sarcastic and I'm officially in Statler and Waldorf mode with this team.

It's one of those seasons a lot like 2009-10 or 2012-13 where the org is in a tweener year.

The Pack suck this year so if Jones looks like Leetch down there over the next week and isn't back up by January, then what I said is the truth and Gallant has no use for him.

 

[pblawr]

When Jones plays we are 9-5-2. The 1.25 ppg we get when he plays would put us 3rd in the Metro.

When Hajek plays we are 2-5-4. The 0.73 ppg we get when he plays would tie us with the Blackhawks as the second worst team in the NHL.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Jones to Hartford is the right move. Get him down there to get some reps. Said it in the GDT, but I predict a trade if the Rangers lose tonight. Jones may be the guy to go for a player with more experience on the back end.

 

[BleedinBLUEsince92]

Looking backwards, this half ass retool really will come back to bite us. Better do a full rebuild and suck for a while. The Devils did it right. The Ducks will be really good team in 3-4 years.

How was this even called a rebuild? We were promised a rebuild and not a retool. Looking back at some of the events, no wonder we are where we are. Some of this is a year prior to the rebuild, but it just shows that lots of bad choices where made on management level. Still can't understand the love for Gorton on this board, I mean...he basically screwed up most of the big trades and signings.

- 1C Stepan and backup Raanta traded. Got ADA in return and bought him out couple of seasons later. Also got a nice 7 OA pick.
- select Lias Andersson #7 overall. He is long gone for a 2nd rounder.
- Sign Shattenkirk and buy him out couple of season later.
- Trade McDonagh and JT Miller for a bag of pucks. McDonagh will become the backbone of Tampa's defense and wins multiple cups. JT Miller turns into an elite PPG player.
- Three first round picks in 2018. Yay. Nils Lundkvist is gone. Select Kravtsov #9 and Miller #22. Meh.
- Instead of tearing it all down, sign Trouba and Panarin for big bucks. What rebuilding team does this?
- Give Kreider an extension instead of trading him to the stars for Robertson and a first round pick.
- Signing Kreider prevents us from signing Buch, a team favorite. Traded for a 4th liner and a 2nd round pick. Puts up PPG numbers for STL
- Team gets lucky and wins two lotteries in a row. Fail to develop 1OA and 2nd OA draft picks.


I mean...this is a horrible read. There are obviously some good things in there. The Mika trade and Shesty pick was great and the Nash trade was fine. Buy overall most of the big trades and signings have backfired.

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In my opinion, this is all hindsight. You can look back at each move/trade and make things seem worse. The #7 pick we got for Stepan was in a draft that was already known as a "weaker" draft. Not many players on that board after Andersson have had NHL success. The Mcdonagh and JT Miller deals: Again, it's all hindsight. If your plan is to recoup assets and to trade Mcdonagh, if that was the best deal, you have to take it. JT Miller went on to Tampa and was STILL nothing special. Before becoming a PPG player, he had to go to another team (Vancouver). Chris Kreider for Robertson? Are there any reports that even confirm that he was offered for Kreider? I doubt it. Kreider is the least of our concerns. He scored 50 goals last year and only makes $6.5 million.

What you did essentially is you posted every negative and, in some cases, applied hindsight to create other negatives without including any of the positives that occurred. We used our abundance of picks to trade for Adam Fox and brought in a top 5 defenceman. K'andre Miller is eh? Would you of said that during last year's playoffs? For a #22 pick, that seems like a pretty damn successful pick if you ask me.

We made it to the conference finals last year with an extremely young team. Results define success; a bad start this year doesn't wipe away that success. Progress is not linear, and just because we had a good year last year doesn't automatically mean the team would build further on that success immediately. In the same way, just because the Devils are amazing right now, it doesn't mean they will automatically be as dominant next season. What you did by mentioning the Devils is the same thing people had done with the Avalanche. Mackinnon was drafted in 2013. It took them 9 Seasons and other years of falling back into the lottery before they won the cup.

Was our rebuild/retool perfect? Absolutely not, but we put out the letter in 2018, and 4 years later, we were two wins away from reaching the Stanley cup finals. No matter how you want to spin it, that IS success.

 

[zlev]

Jesus I hope they have no intention of playing Harpur and that this is just to get Jones some games.

f*** this team. this is so f***ing braindead. jones has been fine, now we get to see more libor f***ing hajek. fire the whole front office.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

When Jones plays we are 9-5-2.

When Hajek plays we are 2-5-4.

That's because Jones makes them faster and can pass.

Hajek can barely get through a game without three defensive gaffes and never really regained his O-Zone confidence after he separated his should against the Devils his rookie year.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

In my opinion, this is all hindsight. You can look back at each move/trade and make things seem worse. The #7 pick we got for Stepan was in a draft that was already known as a "weaker" draft. Not many players on that board after Andersson have had NHL success. The Mcdonagh and JT Miller deals: Again, it's all hindsight. If your plan is to recoup assets and to trade Mcdonagh, if that was the best deal, you have to take it. JT Miller went on to Tampa and was STILL nothing special. Before becoming a PPG player, he had to go to another team (Vancouver). Chris Kreider for Robertson? Are there any reports that even confirm that he was offered for Kreider? I doubt it. Kreider is the least of our concerns. He scored 50 goals last year and only makes $6.5 million.

What you did essentially is you posted every negative and, in some cases, applied hindsight to create other negatives without including any of the positives that occurred. We used our abundance of picks to trade for Adam Fox and brought in a top 5 defenceman. K'andre Miller is eh? Would you of said that during last year's playoffs? For a #22 pick, that seems like a pretty damn successful pick if you ask me.

We made it to the conference finals last year with an extremely young team. Results define success; a bad start this year doesn't wipe away that success. Progress is not linear, and just because we had a good year last year doesn't automatically mean the team would build further on that success immediately. In the same way, just because the Devils are amazing right now, it doesn't mean they will automatically be as dominant next season. What you did by mentioning the Devils is the same thing people had done with the Avalanche. Mackinnon was drafted in 2013. It took them 9 Seasons and other years of falling back into the lottery before they won the cup.

Was our rebuild/retool perfect? Absolutely not, but we put out the letter in 2018, and 4 years later, we were two wins away from reaching the Stanley cup finals. No matter how you want to spin it, that IS success.

No one gets that this is a tweener year because the next wave of prospects from the final phase of the rebuild (2019-2021) are all finishing their junior/Euro/NCAA eligibility.

It's been talked about ad nauseum here.

It's not us on HFBoards, but most of the "Nu Yawk Rainjazz" fans on social media who are morons and don't realize this.

It's not only about the top picks, but the cumulative picks you had the years before you were competitive from 2018-2021 which were higher places in each round or the additional picks you got from trades.

If none of Othmann/Edstrom/Berard/Cullye/etc. become depth and protein for this team, THEN it's a failure.

 

[zlev]

That's because Jones makes them faster and can pass.

Hajek can barely get through a game without three defensive gaffes and never really regained his O-Zone confidence after he separated his should against the Devils his rookie year.

Hajek cant get the puck out of the D zone to save his life. he stands no chance against anyone in a board battle. he cannot complete a pass more than 10 feet and every time he touches the puck on the O zone the play dies within 5 seconds. he's one of the worst players i've ever seen wear a Rangers uniform.

 

[Kords]

Lol, Hajek is still young and showing improvement. He's actually building trade value after years of us watching him struggle. I have no problem giving him the spot while Jones goes back in the oven. He's taken more lumps than any other current NY Ranger.

 

[zlev]

Lol, Hajek is still young and showing improvement. He's actually building trade value after years of us watching him struggle. I have no problem giving him the spot while Jones goes back in the oven. He's taken more lumps than any other current NY Ranger.

if this is improvement i'd hate to see what he used to be like

 

[Fitzy]

Again, not taking a side here, but not everyone views shot metrics as gospel when it comes to player performance.

Whether or not you think that's fair- you aren't going to convince an Atheist of something by quoting the bible.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yeah. Am a big Zac guy. He has been disappointing.
Laf- Disappointing
KK- Disappointing
KAM- Disappointing
Krav- Disappointing
Chytil- Meh
Blais- Disappointing

I mean I agree with almost all of that but chytil? Dude has been consistently one of our better players ever night.
He got hurt, came back and is still one of our better players.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

No one gets that this is a tweener year because the next wave of prospects from the final phase of the rebuild (2019-2021) are all finishing their junior/Euro/NCAA eligibility.

It's been talked about ad nauseum here.

It's not us on HFBoards, but most of the "Nu Yawk Rainjazz" fans on social media who are morons and don't realize this.

It's not only about the top picks, but the cumulative picks you had the years before you were competitive from 2018-2021 which were higher places in each round or the additional picks you got from trades.

If none of Othmann/Edstrom/Berard/Cullye/etc. become depth and protein for this team, THEN it's a failure.

I don't want the people in charge of the team to run around like chickens with their heads cut off when they see some things aren't going well, but I wouldn't endorse the "wait 'til Will Cuylle gets here!" approach either. If they play out the season, and they still get next to nothing out of the top young players who are already here, the organization is in deep shit.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Hajek stinks but whatever

At this point the team clearly sees something there to warrant bending over backwards to keep him around

So what’s the point of complaining

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I’d rather see Gettinger than Brodzinsky

Gettinger was hurt last week. Was hit in the lower arm(maybe wrist) with a shot. Not sure if he is available.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Other than being in New York and having a big checkbook, is there anything that separates this franchise from the worst ones in the league?

 

[zlev]

Again, not taking a side here, but not everyone views shot metrics as gospel when it comes to player performance.

Whether or not you think that's fair- you aren't going to convince an Atheist of something by quoting the bible.

how else are we going to objectively see if he's "improving" or not? it's not like he's lighting up the score sheet. i also just posted about how he doesn't pass the (my) eye test either. the advanced stats show that we get absolutely pounded when he's on the ice, it's not that complicated.

 

[duhmetreE]

Brodz >>>>>>>>>>> Blais

 

[Daves a mess]

I mean I agree with almost all of that but chytil? Dude has been consistently one of our better players ever night.
He got hurt, came back and is still one of our better players.

Yeah. I gave him a "meh" because he's brittle and he frustrated the hell out of me with his misfires ladt night.
My point was would it be asking too much for half of these players to breakout and do well?

But yeah, I see your point. When he plays he's been decent.