Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Profet]

Also, I wish I had a dollar for every time "this guy won't play" played.

It would help if our young forwards forced their way into the lineups.

When was the last time we had a player come in, and just dominate?

Stepan with his first NHL game hatty?

 

[IDvsEGO]

It would help if our young forwards forced their way into the lineups.

When was the last time we had a player come in, and just dominate?

Stepan with his first NHL game hatty?

I mean aside from our top picks, those kids are usually first rounders. How often before the rebuild did we have any?
Othmann is going to be the first one who’s gotta force his way into the lineup.

 

[Machinehead]

It would help if our young forwards forced their way into the lineups.

When was the last time we had a player come in, and just dominate?

Stepan with his first NHL game hatty?

Well, yes, but I'm talking about the dreck.

My favorite is still McQuaid.

"But Machinehead, you don't get the plan, we're going to flip him for draft picks!" And then we traded him for a lower draft pick than we spent on him.

 

[NYR Lurker]

It would help if our young forwards forced their way into the lineups.

When was the last time we had a player come in, and just dominate?

Stepan with his first NHL game hatty?

That happened on my wedding night. I wore a Gaborik jersey and my wife wore a Lundqvist jersey at our reception. I guess I should get married more often?

 

[bhamill]

I haven't followed the minutiae of Bettman's TV deals, but it's clear as day something's gone badly wrong. I see quite a few Ranger games on the away broadcast. Overall the TV coverage is really weak, lots of bad commentators with the odd exceptions etc. I have a much higher expectation of professional American broadcasts. And that's without even touching upon the frequent issues I see from posters on here that they don't have a stream available because reasons.

Gotta say. I have not had trouble seeing a single NYR game. BUT, I have cable with MSG, NHL, TNT, ESPN, etc, networks AND ESPN+… I’m 60, I m not quite a “cord cutter” hahaha. The league needs to understand the direction viewing trends are heading with YOUNGER fans, including casual fans that they want to hook. Older fans like me are already hooked and will carry what we need to.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well, yes, but I'm talking about the dreck.

My favorite is still McQuaid.

"But Machinehead, you don't get the plan, we're going to flip him for draft picks!" And then we traded him for a lower draft pick than we spent on him.

It was a marginally lower pick (like a fourth later in the round), which is to be expected when a rental is moved at the deadline as opposed to the beginning of the season. I had no problem with that move, that team sucked and we knew it was going to suck.

I believe the example you're looking for is Cody Mcleod. Thats a guy who no one though would play and ended up playing quite a bit.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Re Kravtsov - we can’t park him on our roster until he’s “ready” that’s the main reason he’s expendable IMHO assuming he has decent market value. I have to think that we could use him with St Louis.

 

[Avery16]

Well, yes, but I'm talking about the dreck.

My favorite is still McQuaid.

"But Machinehead, you don't get the plan, we're going to flip him for draft picks!" And then we traded him for a lower draft pick than we spent on him.

McQuaid was fine. You're complaining about getting 112OA for him as opposed to the 99OA we spent? That's not a real consideration. I mean, why not point out that our draft position in the 7th round worsened too lol.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Can't bring myself to get worked up about Leschysyn getting some games in the middle of the season. He's not going to be in the lineup in the playoffs unless we have a handful of injuries so to me he's just another Puempel, Powe, Woywitka or any of the other on the long list of random dudes who played 10-20 games with the team during random mid season stretches.

 

[bhamill]

Kravtsov is not afraid of those areas and does the same. he just gets manhandled.

Even after getting dummied over and over again, I respect that he still gets in there.

Barbashev is just older and stronger. I'm not giving up Kravtsov for him

I’ve not seen Krav attempt a body check. He’s not afraid of being hit or balltling on the boards but he’s got no aggressiveness. It’s not just the strength. He’s a different type of player, despite going to some of the same areas.
that being said I’d rather get a pick for him than a 3/4 line rental IF they are intent on trading him.

 

[bhamill]

Maybe we shouldn’t by trying to force our players to be playing “Gallant hockey”

Yeah. But maybe the player should work on playing the style of game that the team plays Or wants to play.

 

[Machinehead]

It was a marginally lower pick (like a fourth later in the round), which is to be expected when a rental is moved at the deadline as opposed to the beginning of the season. I had no problem with that move, that team sucked and we knew it was going to suck.

I believe the example you're looking for is Cody Mcleod. Thats a guy who no one though would play and ended up playing quite a bit.

McQuaid was fine. You're complaining about getting 112OA for him as opposed to the 99OA we spent? That's not a real consideration. I mean, why not point out that our draft position in the 7th round worsened too lol.

I didn't say McQuaid was the worst, I said it was my favorite.

People thought Gorton was playing 9D chess and in reality, he probably just wanted McQuaid around for awhile and some people just wouldn't admit it. It was hilarious.

It's always some grand plan and not that the Rangers just don't mind/actively pursue bad players.

 

[Machinehead]

Can't bring myself to get worked up about Leschysyn getting some games in the middle of the season. He's not going to be in the lineup in the playoffs unless we have a handful of injuries so to me he's just another Puempel, Powe, Woywitka or any of the other on the long list of random dudes who played 10-20 games with the team during random mid season stretches.

Watch you mouth, Puempel was amazing!

 

[Avery16]

Can't bring myself to get worked up about Leschysyn getting some games in the middle of the season. He's not going to be in the lineup in the playoffs unless we have a handful of injuries so to me he's just another Puempel, Powe, Woywitka or any of the other on the long list of random dudes who played 10-20 games with the team during random mid season stretches.

23 year old former 2nd rounder making next to league minimum for two more seasons, happens to have good FO numbers. This isn't a problem.

Our alternatives are Brodzinski (which would also be fine) or Carpenter, Rydahl (who hasn't shown anything yet).

 

[bhamill]

No it's not.

Vesey is 311th among forwards in p/60.

It's certainly in the 99th percentile of 4th liners but it's not a 3rd liner.

I don't think the Rangers board realizes just how much scoring is up because the Rangers are really bad at scoring.

Last year at the all-star break, Kreider led the NHL with 33 goals. This year, five guys have 33 goals and the high is 41. And scoring was already way up last year. It's way up again.

Again, I don't think it matters, they all suck. It's certainly an indictment on the kids who will not or may not crack 40 points.

Last I looked, goals per game, from both teams was up only marginally over last year. If you look at top scorers it may look like scoring is way up, but that just probably means it’s down for bottom six… because it has to even out SOMEWHERE.
edit: scoring is barely up over last year. Note: this is per team per game, not combined. It also excludes empty netters. So per game both teams combined it’s up 0.04 goals per game, minus empty net goals.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

This organization for the past decade - across numerous coaching and managerial staffs - has seemingly never made consistently good decisions at the bottom of the lineup. And when they don't and fans complain, other fans simply claim "they're bottom of the lineup players. They're easily replaced and this 'issue' you're droning on about is very fixable".

And then they sign another worthless player. And this issue drones on further. And some fans defend it blindly. And our bottom pairing/line continues to have AHL-level players contributing for long periods, or even the playoffs.

Hajek, Carpenter, and Leschyschyn are all useless players that played minutes that should have been reserved for either real NHLers or prospects in our system more worth investing in long-term. Blais is quickly hitting that category too. And just when we had a real 4th liner that could actually play up in the lineup in a pinch on our roster - Tyler Motte - we let him go over $200k and made a bunch of poor asset management decisions trying to replace him.

Find a bottom pair and 4th line that works medium-to-long term. Stop trying to make a bunch of plugs work.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Watch you mouth, Puempel was amazing!

We'll always have that hattrick in the desert that almost destroyed Mike Smith haha

 

[Machinehead]

Last I looked, goals per game, from both teams was up only marginally over last year. If you look at top scorers it may look like scoring is way up, but that just probably means it’s down for bottom six… because it has to Ben out SOMEWHERE.
edit: scoring is barely up over last year. Note: this is per team per game, not combined. It also excludes empty netters. So per game both teams combined it’s up 0.04 goals per game.

It's still way up over previous years.

 

[Machinehead]

We'll always have that hattrick in the desert that almost destroyed Mike Smith haha

Some of them I don't mind tho. I know you need bodies and they're not gonna be great.

I just feel like the Rangers are constantly on a mission to find the worst one of those available.

I do prefer Lesch to McLeod. At least I don't have to hear about Lesch being responsible for wins because the team plays taller.

 

[Kodiak]

This organization for the past decade - across numerous coaching and managerial staffs - has seemingly never made consistently good decisions at the bottom of the lineup. And when they don't and fans complain, other fans simply claim "they're bottom of the lineup players. They're easily replaced and this 'issue' you're droning on about is very fixable".

And then they sign another worthless player. And this issue drones on further. And some fans defend it blindly. And our bottom pairing/line continues to have AHL-level players contributing for long periods, or even the playoffs.

Hajek, Carpenter, and Leschyschyn are all useless players that played minutes that should have been reserved for either real NHLers or prospects in our system more worth investing in long-term. Blais is quickly hitting that category too. And just when we had a real 4th liner that could actually play up in the lineup in a pinch on our roster - Tyler Motte - we let him go over $200k and made a bunch of poor asset management decisions trying to replace him.

Find a bottom pair and 4th line that works medium-to-long term. Stop trying to make a bunch of plugs work.

We have two legitimately good 4th liners, but they are getting played on the top 2 lines. Coaches tend to fall in love with the good 4th liners and put them in roles they are not suited for instead of letting them excel in the role they are suited for.

 

[bhamill]

It's still way up over previous years.

There isn’t a full goal differential (both teams combined) with any year of the last 15. So “way” may be an overstatement. Regardless, you specifically used last year vs this year top goal scorers. It just shows you can’t go by top scorers alone and when it goes up more for the top scorers than the total average would indicate that means it’s going DOWN somewhere else.… and that place is likely the bottom six.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

We have two legitimately good 4th liners, but they are getting played on the top 2 lines. Coaches tend to fall in love with the good 4th liners and put them in roles they are not suited for instead of letting them excel in the role they are suited for.

This is also a major issue.

The Jimmy Vesey signing was a wonderful one, and was at the time predictably going to be very successful. It's not difficult to string a few signings like that together to fill out the bottom line/pair. And it's also not difficult to play them in their proper roles either.

But #hockeyguys try to constantly out-think themselves and don't make the obvious choices. Then the one or two that do (ie. Joe Sakic) put together absolute wagons and win Cups. Shocker.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

23 year old former 2nd rounder making next to league minimum for two more seasons, happens to have good FO numbers. This isn't a problem.

Our alternatives are Brodzinski (which would also be fine) or Carpenter, Rydahl (who hasn't shown anything yet).

Rydahl hasn't "shown anything yet" because he hasn't been given the opportunity to. He was one of the best players we had in camp - both reportedly in practice and from what we saw in games - and still got passed over by Carpenter and a few others who never had to "earn it".

If you're going to trade for a developmental-type player like that, you need to give him a shot at some point. Not just send him to Hartford and constantly try to fill the position he's potentially meant for by guys who have failed in other organizations at the same position. Why sign him in the first place if that's your gameplan?

 

[bhamill]

Rydahl hasn't "shown anything yet" because he hasn't been given the opportunity to. He was one of the best players we had in camp - both reportedly in practice and from what we saw in games - and still got passed over by Carpenter and a few others who never had to "earn it".

If you're going to trade for a developmental-type player like that, you need to give him a shot at some point. Not just send him to Hartford and constantly try to fill the position he's potentially meant for by guys who have failed in other organizations at the same position. Why sign him in the first place if that's your gameplan?

At least, for his sake, he still gets his NHL salary.
Id love to see him get a chance though.

 

[huerter]

We have two legitimately good 4th liners, but they are getting played on the top 2 lines. Coaches tend to fall in love with the good 4th liners and put them in roles they are not suited for instead of letting them excel in the role they are suited for.

Coaches don’t line number.