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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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irishlaxburger2 said:
Rydahl hasn't "shown anything yet" because he hasn't been given the opportunity to. He was one of the best players we had in camp - both reportedly in practice and from what we saw in games - and still got passed over by Carpenter and a few others who never had to "earn it".

If you're going to trade for a developmental-type player like that, you need to give him a shot at some point. Not just send him to Hartford and constantly try to fill the position he's potentially meant for by guys who have failed in other organizations at the same position. Why sign him in the first place if that's your gameplan?
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Correct me if I am wrong but I believe we sent Rydahl down at training camp due to a contract situation (I can't remember the exact reasoning). He was sent down and has been very below average in Hartford. So no, he hasn't "earned it".

Carpenter isn't great but he is still a far superior player to Gustav Rydahl. He has proved he is a capable NHL'er in the past and is nearly a point per game player in the AHL this year through 24 games.

People get so caught up with the shiny new toy. Rydahl's good couple weeks of training camp doesn't outweigh his play throughout the year in Hartford.
 
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bigdog16 said:
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe we sent Rydahl down at training camp due to a contract situation (I can't remember the exact reasoning). He was sent down and has been very below average in Hartford. So no, he hasn't "earned it".

Carpenter isn't great but he is still a far superior player to Gustav Rydahl. He has proved he is a capable NHL'er in the past and is nearly a point per game player in the AHL this year through 24 games.

People get so caught up with the shiny new toy. Rydahl's good couple weeks of training camp doesn't outweigh his play throughout the year in Hartford.
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"Earning it" has always and will always be a fallacy, at least in the short term.

Carpenter never "earned it". Leschyshyn never "earned it". Both of them failed elsewhere before we took them on. Rydahl should have been given a shot for two reasons.

First, to better understand what he is and could be as a player at the NHL level. And secondly, because we can paper transact his contract on off-days for cap flexibility.
 
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irishlaxburger2 said:
"Earning it" has always and will always be a fallacy, at least in the short term.

Carpenter never "earned it". Leschyshyn never "earned it". Both of them failed elsewhere before we took them on. Rydahl should have been given a shot for two reasons.

First, to better understand what he is and could be as a player at the NHL level. And secondly, because we can paper transact his contract on off-days for cap flexibility.
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I would have been fine if Rydahl got some games to start the year but at this point I don't see the reason. He is most likely going to be absolutely terrible. The history of 27+ year old FA from Europe is very bad. He's been way worse in the AHL than Leschyshyn and Carpenter. He's not scoring down there and has the big negative that he's somehow managed to take 15 minor penalties in 34 games. This is just another in the line of useless players that the team signs that someone people think are real prospects (Meskanen/Jensen/Richards/Khodorenko/I can't name them all).
 
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They need to add to some sports book:

*Sammy Blais to score his first goal as a Ranger tonight and not score again for the rest of the season -250
 
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SA16 said:
I would have been fine if Rydahl got some games to start the year but at this point I don't see the reason. He is most likely going to be absolutely terrible. The history of 27+ year old FA from Europe is very bad. He's been way worse in the AHL than Leschyshyn and Carpenter. He's not scoring down there and has the big negative that he's somehow managed to take 15 minor penalties in 34 games. This is just another in the line of useless players that the team signs that someone people think are real prospects (Meskanen/Jensen/Richards/Khodorenko/I can't name them all).
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The Pro and Con Rydahl takes are a tad extreme. But there is truth to both arguments.

1. Rydahl did seem more effective in preseason than Carpenter. And for that reason, a lot of us wanted him to make the team out of camp. Why not see what he is. I think that was a fair assessment from the outside looking in.

2. Rydahl is one of those players, unlike Carpenter or Brodzinski, whose game doesn't seem to change based on the level he's at. Whereas Carp and Brodz turn into offensive players in HFD, Rydahl just plays the same exact way. He's fairly effective at it, but also, kinda hides out as a result, at least to fans that might watch HFD games.

3. He's been consistently banged up at HFD. Likely due to his style of play. While he generates a lot of speed and effort, his balls to the wall playing style leads to lots of little injuries. He's been in and out all season at HFD. His inability to stay healthy has hurt his chances of getting a call up over Brodz or Cuylle. But, again, when he's in the lineup, he plays the same exact way. It's mainly speed, size and decent-ish IQ. But his scoring touch is identical at both levels. (not much there). I honestly think if he was called up, he'd play the exact same way he does at HFD and he'd likely be a fairly effective guy who never sniffs a goal. But does he deserve a call up over Brodz and Cuylle at this point? That's a harder argument to make. I think the Rangers are fairly accurate in their assessment that Rydahl is below those guys on the depth chart. Is he also below Carpy? Probably. But he's not useless. He wouldn't be horrific on the 4th line. We have worse options. But between the injuries and emergence of Cuylle, it makes sense that maybe not getting that opportunity right at the start of the year was him missing out on his only window with the Rangers.

All this to say, he's not garbage. But he's also not next man up.
 
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irishlaxburger2 said:
"Earning it" has always and will always be a fallacy, at least in the short term.

Carpenter never "earned it". Leschyshyn never "earned it". Both of them failed elsewhere before we took them on. Rydahl should have been given a shot for two reasons.

First, to better understand what he is and could be as a player at the NHL level. And secondly, because we can paper transact his contract on off-days for cap flexibility.
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I disagree, normally a player with 350+ NHL games to his name has earned it.

Leschyshyn I would agree with, but I see why they gave him a shot. Young kid, fresh legs, needed a new start somewhere.

I am sure the conversation the Rangers had with Rydahl went a lot like this:
"You had a great camp, keep this up and you will be back here very soon".
He didn't keep it up, he actually has played very poorly.

Carpenter and Brod have completely outplayed him.
 
bhamill said:
Gotta say. I have not had trouble seeing a single NYR game. BUT, I have cable with MSG, NHL, TNT, ESPN, etc, networks AND ESPN+… I’m 60, I m not quite a “cord cutter” hahaha. The league needs to understand the direction viewing trends are heading with YOUNGER fans, including casual fans that they want to hook. Older fans like me are already hooked and will carry what we need to.
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The blackouts are the worst thing.
Half the country is blacked out from streaming their local team, because the tv carrier won’t pay for the network fees.
 
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bhamill said:
Gotta say. I have not had trouble seeing a single NYR game. BUT, I have cable with MSG, NHL, TNT, ESPN, etc, networks AND ESPN+… I’m 60, I m not quite a “cord cutter” hahaha. The league needs to understand the direction viewing trends are heading with YOUNGER fans, including casual fans that they want to hook. Older fans like me are already hooked and will carry what we need to.
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Speak for yourself, youngster. I cut the cord about 10 years ago and haven't looked back.
 
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Elliotte said he spoke to a few players in Florida during all star weekend. A few players who played against Kane recently said they can tell Kane is dealing with the hip injury. Not 100%. They gave him credit for trying to play through the injury.

 
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The insufferable infatuation with willing Blais into the lineup is past the point of irrational thinking.

Newsflash, a trip down to the AHL isnt going to affect anything. He's still going to be one of the worst forwards in the NHL tonight. Nothing is going to miraculously change. This isnt about conditioning its about the guys knee physically preventing him from being the player he once was.
 
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kovazub94 said:
If Blais come in at $1m I’d see if he has more to offer with another offseason prep under his belt.
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Machinehead said:
Even at his best, you could get what Blais brings for the minimum.
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I would concur with both of these statements. Although I would offer him a 1-2 year deal at a lower cap hit as @kovazub94 mentioned for sure. I think this year was always going to be a struggle for him and I think he rebounds a bit next year. Even if he settles in to a 25-30 point physical winger that's someone who will be useful and the coaching staff and teammates. They could point to Vesey's deal and say, we'll offer you the same. $900k per year for 2 years

Riche16 said:
Maybe :laugh: NYR Management :laugh::laugh: felt they could :laugh::laugh::laugh: DEVELOP Leschyshyn
:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:
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I was going to post this but didn't want to get in to it. This appears to be an opportunity to grab a young player who they feel could develop into a nice depth center who can fill a role.
 
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When the salary cap makes it so that 13 or 14 guys on a team are making league minimum, we'll have some of the more talented league minimum players in Lafreniere and Kakko.

10D chess.
 
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irishlaxburger2 said:
First, to better understand what he is and could be as a player at the NHL level. And secondly, because we can paper transact his contract on off-days for cap flexibility.
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He still has nearly half a season left to get a look. Keep in mind though that he's a 28 year old guy playing in NA for the first time. There has no doubt been many adjustments for him, and at that age, he probably doesn't have much room for growth. It's very possible that he just isn't good enough and the team doesn't need to see him in the NHL to know that.

As fans, we have to accept that management is seeing things we don't see. Whether they are right or wrong isn't really relevant. They have reasons for their decisions that we don't understand.

Why is Cuylle back up? Are we rushing him? Why hasn't Robertson got a single call up yet?

Again, I'm not suggesting that they are always right. They aren't. But I think if we could see the situation from their perspective, we'd be a lot more understanding of their decisions.
 
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