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Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

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McRanger92 said:
The Rangers made a run because of their deadline acquisitions? That’s a new one. They stabilized the team in the second half for sure but motte was injured, Copp did nothing after game 2 against Pittsburgh and Vatrano had his moments. Mika, Kreider, Fox, Igor and the Kid Line got us through to Tampa where a young squad in its first run ran out of gas. We are already way ahead of last years pre-deadline team, and we’ll certainly add reinforcements who will help in the playoffs. Once we’re in it’s up to injury luck and getting the bounces. Are they perfect? No, but who is? I feel nuts still having to make a defense of a clearly very good team
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Again, I'll agree to disagree.
 
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B17 Apricots said:
This is just one of those drafts man.. I've kinda just accepted the fact that Drury is probably going to deal one of the firsts though. I don't agree with it but oh well.

Colorado took 5 years since their last playoff miss to win a cup. It was a journey for Tampa. They had a run where they missed the playoffs 5 out of 6 seasons and after that last miss it took them 7 more years to win a championship. Stammer and Hedman are the only 2 that endured the majority of it. Tons of good players came and went there, Lecavalier, St Louis, Callahan, Tyler Johnson, Drouin, Miller, all replaced in some way or another by Kucherov, Palat, Point, Cirelli, Gourde, now they have Hagel filling another hole. They continue to find ways to replace players. Incredibly competitive throughout this time period. About as close as you can get to a modern day dynasty.

I'm not saying that's how long it needs to take but if I'm being objective with where this team is at... our franchise winger is underpeforming, our right side is incredibly weak. Kakko has all the promise in the world, he's turning a corner but he's not fully there yet. Kravtsov has plenty of potential but that's another RW that's not there yet. Laf isn't there yet. Chytil is ready. Our D is pretty f***ing solid but it doesn't help that Trouba began the year hurt. That's a disadvantage and our 6th D is a question mark. People will take that as being down on the team. Its just being objective. We have a good young team with plenty of promise but I dont think those holes on the right can just be fixed with a deadline deal. That doesn't mean we can't make a push and maybe be a contender.. it's just weighing that shit versus looking at the quality of this draft, I'd much rather take my chances on the 2 picks. It'll be interesting to play Boston in a couple days.. that's a team with almost no holes, are we beating them in a 7 game series? Maybe, maybe not.

Central Scouting just released their rankings, Button just released his January rankings. He has players like Ziemmer and Wood in the 20s. RWs that are goal scorers. They happen to fill a need. Regardless of need, Dower Nillson is ripping the Swedish junior league, ranked as a 1st/2nd rounder. Maybe one of the USDP guys slips down there? Lots of high end talent available down there. Even for competitive teams, the more picks the better in a draft like this
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It's a conundrum about whether to not trade a first this draft or trade 1 for much need forward help. I would be ok with either choice provided they trade the first for someone who makes sense. I thought Drury had a good deadline last year and the long playoff run was invaluable IMO. With some reinforcements, especially at RW, the only team we couldn't beat in a best of 7 is Boston but then again that means we don't get out of the east again. I'm torn.
 
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mjolnir said:
Again, I'll agree to disagree.
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I like this guy

PuckLuck3043 said:
It's a conundrum about whether to not trade a first this draft or trade 1 for much need forward help. I would be ok with either choice provided they trade the first for someone who makes sense. I thought Drury had a good deadline last year and the long playoff run was invaluable IMO. With some reinforcements, especially at RW, the only team we couldn't beat in a best of 7 is Boston but then again that means we don't get out of the east again. I'm torn.
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I think Meier gives us a real shot against Boston but as much as I want him it’s a pipe dream
 
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Bacon Artemi Bravo said:
Krav+2023 First+2024 First

Grier won't be able to avoid the "Kravitational force" in a deal for Meier
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Lol are you kidding me? Kravtsov is untouchable.

But seriously I don't know what it would take other than a 1st.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Meier
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It’s not about Panarin hate, it’s a just taking a holistic approach to what the team needs and figuring out how we get it. We need at least two wingers w/ speed, preferably one w/ a finishing touch. We need another defensemen. We need a better (and younger) backup goalie. We need cap to lockup young players instead of constant bridges.

Now how do we find the cap for all this? Is there a position we have strong organizational depth? Is there a player who isn’t in the plans after a few more seasons? Is there anyone who isn’t fitting w/ the rest of the group?

You can attack these questions anyway you want and I’m open to ideas, but all those roads lead back to Panarin. If it comes down to it, I rather lose Panarin to try and find those other pieces that enhance the lineup, rather than focus resources on getting a 31y old player, who seems to be declining, back on track.

We also can’t ignore he’s reached that age where players adjust their games, or start to rapidly decline. So far, he doesn’t seem interested in adjusting.
 
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mike14 said:
But he'd likely take less than $10m with term so his QO is kind of irrelevant (I don't think we're getting Meier)
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10mil qualifier is only relevant in that in order to maintain control… you have to offer it. If not he can still take less than 10mil, but it could be from someone else.
 
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I mean all roads lead to Trouba, because our D depth is solid, and we’d be trading from a position of strength, but no one will take that albatross. We need a Gomez type trade, and it’s not going to happen. Trouba does nothing for us at this stage, our top 4 wouldn’t miss a beat with him gone.

But I do understand why folks want to move Artemi, it may actually be feasible and wouldn’t require black mailing the acquiring GM with extremely compromising material.
 
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bhamill said:
10mil qualifier is only relevant in that in order to maintain control… you have to offer it. If not he can still take less than 10mil, but it could be from someone else.
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It's relevant because we can only go 10% over the cap in the summer. If we don't send significant salary back at the deadline and instead wait until the offseason to unload contracts, we could end up close to the summer cap and teams could take advantage of us via offer sheets. Our only option would be to not quality Meier and then try to re-sign him to a lower number.
 
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bl02 said:
I would say let's give Trocheck a full year and a playoff run. He's had an up and down season (mostly down last few weeks). Still think his style should do well in the playoffs.
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There’s not a damn thing wrong with Trocheck’s contract. He plays a 200 foot game, hits people, wins faceoffs and hits a ton of goalposts. When his shooting percentage increases, scoring will break out.

haohmaru said:
I dunno - I just looked @ Capfriendly and it says 6M this year and RFA with arbitration rights this summer. Am I missing something?
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$10MM qualifying offer for next year
 
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bouds said:
I mean all roads lead to Trouba, because our D depth is solid, and we’d be trading from a position of strength, but no one will take that albatross. We need a Gomez type trade, and it’s not going to happen. Trouba does nothing for us at this stage, our top 4 wouldn’t miss a beat with him gone.

But I do understand why folks want to move Artemi, it may actually be feasible and wouldn’t require black mailing the acquiring GM with extremely compromising material.
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Trouba is also an option, but we don’t have the type of organizational depth at RD that we have at LW and it’s also a much more difficult position to find, if needed. Trouba is also younger, $3mm cheaper, has been integral in helping Miller develop and was a unanimous choice for captain. So I’d say some roads lead to there, but not all.

Not to mention, given his expiring NMC, he’s likely heading in that direction anyway in a few more years.
 
EdJovanovski said:
He got 11pts in 12 games last years playoffs
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More than half of them (hell almost ALL OF THEM) were literally him giving the puck to someone else and then them doing all the work or him giving the puck to someone who then gave the puck to someone else up who did most of the work.

I knew this was coming from you though lol. Stat lines don't mean everything (Panarin's wasn't that bad during our run last year either and he was flaming ass.) Even his lone goal wasn't even a puck he shot into the net, it literally bounced off of him and went in lol.

The playoffs weren't that long ago and anyone who watches remembers. Outside of like a game and a half he was a complete ghost.
 
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I had a ton of inconvenient late night shifts during playoff games last year, but I don't have a good idea of how Panarin actually played since his two linemates had like two working legs between them, especially towards the end. Strome and Copp were both beat to shit
 
Zero Way Center said:
I had a ton of inconvenient late night shifts during playoff games last year, but I don't have a good idea of how Panarin actually played since his two linemates had like two working legs between them, especially towards the end. Strome and Copp were both beat to shit
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He looked like same player he was for most of the regular season in the playoffs, You can't put that on his line mates.

Them being broken most likely led to his line getting caved as badly as they did, but Panarin did plenty of stupid shit that was the fault of him and him alone.
 
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Uninstaaled said:
More than half of them (hell almost ALL OF THEM) were literally him giving the puck to someone else and then them doing all the work or him giving the puck to someone who then gave the puck to someone else up who did most of the work.

I knew this was coming from you though lol. Stat lines don't mean everything (Panarin's wasn't that bad during our run last year either and he was flaming ass.) Even his lone goal wasn't even a puck he shot into the net, it literally bounced off of him and went in lol.

The playoffs weren't that long ago and anyone who watches remembers. Outside of like a game and a half he was a complete ghost.
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Because he had such great vision he's able to see what other players are going to do before they do it, Kravitational force type stuff.
 
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