Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Ruggs225]

I mean his NMC is gone after the end of next season, would rather trade him and eat a little cash in the process than to buy him out, where we get the same deadweight cap hit but for twice the length of time.

He still has a 15 team NTC and then a 12 year NTC once is NmC runs out.

So trading him would still not be easy as we can only trade him to half the league basically.

 

[Ruggs225]

On a side note, wow espn sucks at hockey analysis.

This article has the rangers projected at 99 pts and a 75% chance to make the playoffs.

They are projecting us to have more points than the Devils and penguins and the same as the caps. He also goves us better odds than the devils and pens to make the playoffs, and very similar odds to caps.

However the Devils are listed as Playoff Locks, the pens and caps are listed as Playoff likely and we are only “on the bubble”
Wyshinsky is an idiot.

Wyshynski's NHL playoff hope tiers: Projections for all 32 teams

Who will make the 2023 Stanley Cup playoffs field? Which teams will get the farthest? And what can derail those hopes?

www.espn.com

 

[Guyute]

On a side note, wow espn sucks at hockey analysis.

This article has the rangers projected at 99 pts and a 75% chance to make the playoffs.

They are projecting us to have more points than the Devils, penguins, and caps and give us better odds.

However the Devils are listed as Playoff Locks, the pens and caps are listed as Playoff likely and we are only “on the bubble”

Wyshinsky is an idiot.

Dom L. at the Athletic gives us only a 56% chance of making the playoffs

 

[Ruggs225]

Dom L. at the Athletic gives us only a 56% chance of making the playoffs

That explains a little. However if u are going to write an article u shouldn’t post stats that actually show a completely different story.

Its just common sense.

 

[leetch99]

Maybe they are doing their best to facilitate this but the best trade deadline deal would be Lafreniere, Chyil and Kakko elevating their games to the next level.

While you are in the wishing mode may as well include Miller/Schneider/Gauthier & Blais if still here .

 

[haohmaru]

Dom L. at the Athletic gives us only a 56% chance of making the playoffs

Ranger hater.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Lindgren is the type of player this board always says is a cap casualty and that we "just dont have room for" right before 120 pages of discussion on how we can acquire a Lindgren type for the "right price". Rinse. Repeat.

Love Lindgren, his body is gonna break down early due to his size and style of play, so term is a problem, but in his current form he's a no brainer to have on this team for a ton of reasons. I was critical of the deal Montreal gave Gallagher, a long term deal for Lindgren would probably end the same

 

[bhamill]

They really don't.

Nah, nobody needs a hard hitting 4th line winger who can possibly play up the lineup... that's why Clutterbuck has been out of work all this time... totally unecessary for grinding post season play... that's why St Louis hated having Blais on their roster for their Cup winning run...
You know, we are allowed to have differing opinions, its pretty funny though when people reply to my stated opinion (I honestly THINK...) with proclamations of certainty, as if your opinion is worth more than anyone else's on here. Hahahaha.

 

[Fitzy]

I'd guess NYR will offer Lindgren a little below market value (4x3.75-4) when the time comes. If he says no, he'll be traded.

Goodrow and Trouba remain my salarywatch(tm) candidates for trades.

 

[leetch99]

I think Harpur has been a nice addition. Should getting another LHD be off the table? Absolutely not, but he’s been holding it down with Schneider pretty well.

I like the Vesey extension.

I feel like Kravstov is where Kakko was earlier in the season where you can see it coming together, he just needs to start cashing in his chances. The skill is there for sure.

That third line of Laf-Chytil needs a RW in the worst way. Whether it’s through Gauthier or making a move, it’s a glaring weakness and hurting them IMO.

I would give the GOAT the chance to be the guy on that 3rd line before the deadline and just see if he can swing it . I think his speed makes some stuff happen and he might even pot 6-7 goals and finish with 10 . We got him and we need to be faster on every line .....it is worth a shot as speed sets the D back on their heels . Vesey can play the 4th line role and kill P's and Goodrow at C and Blais on the 4th line LW for now . If an opp arises whereby Drury can add a sniper for the 3rd line so be it....make a move... but don't make it if we don't need it .

 

[bhamill]

I'd be OK with 1 of the 1sts this year and a 1st in 2024. That's a hefty price but at $2.3M, he's worth it IMO. Have to realize, that's the last big move the team will make for the foreseeable future ( 2024 when Trouba is most likely moved )

I truly think he will take this teams game/offense to another level. We lack 2023 mobile defenders. KAM is the only one and we see how he can 'take over' games. Have 3 seasons of Chychrun with this team, with the team improving as much as the kids improve.

To me this shakes out to asking ourselves if we would rather have Lindgren and two firsts, one of them being in this FLUSH draft year, than Chychrun. And for me the answer is the two firsts and Lindgren. Though that doesnt take into account what we get for Lindgren if/when he is moved.
You wanted to make it a 24 and 25 or 26 first I'd think about it. I see he has only played 20 games, has he been injured? He's having a good year stats wise but almost half of his scoring has been on the pp, not sure how that works out here...

 

[mas0764]

Everyone shat on Dom L yet what he said was spot on. We are a bubble team without the kids developing.

Kakko has come along, Laf has not. We sit somewhere short of "safe," to make the playoffs at this particular moment.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

you got me wondering - does anybody remember other than draft picks what player(s) were being offered in trades for buch? surely could have gotten back more than blais at that time?

Drury made the trade the moment all GMs were back from their vacation. On draft day. First opportunity to talk to GMs in person, and he pulled the trigger for a pack of chips and a loaf of moldy bread.

 

[McRanger92]

Lindgren would be moved regardless. How are we going to re-sign Chytil, Miller, and Laf this offseason otherwise?

Trade or buyout Goodrow instead

 

[mas0764]

Nah, nobody needs a hard hitting 4th line winger who can possibly play up the lineup... that's why Clutterbuck has been out of work all this time... totally unecessary for grinding post season play...

Have the Islanders won a Cup that I missed? Or did they just get to the Conference Finals like we did, without Blais on our active roster?

Not a difference maker.

that's why St Louis hated having Blais on their roster for their Cup winning run...
You know, we are allowed to have differing opinions, its pretty funny though when people reply to my stated opinion (I honestly THINK...) with proclamations of certainty, as if your opinion is worth more than anyone else's on here. Hahahaha.

I'm stating my opinion and I never said you weren't entitled to yours.

I don't think I need to put a disclaimer that everything I say is my own opinion.

Now, I can certainly tell you why your opinion is incorrect, and again that will be my opinion. You are free to ignore it or respond back. That's what a debate is.

You know, in debate, they tell you that you don't say "Well I think.....". It takes away from your credibility. You just state what you are saying.

Only in circumstances where you are unclear or unsure should you qualify. I'm not unsure. Blais is superfluous.

Trade or buyout Goodrow instead

He's kind of a luxury. It's nice that he's pacing for 35 points or whatnot, that's a very nice fourth liner, but if the team isn't willing to try to move it's bigger anchor contracts ~cough~ .... then it has to make due with cheap fourth liners. Swapping in Rydahl and you probably don't miss TOO much. Of course Blais has to be replaced too, but maybe that Cuylle.

 

[duhmetreE]

To me this shakes out to asking ourselves if we would rather have Lindgren and two firsts, one of them being in this FLUSH draft year, than Chychrun. And for me the answer is the two firsts and Lindgren. Though that doesnt take into account what we get for Lindgren if/when he is moved.
You wanted to make it a 24 and 25 or 26 first I'd think about it. I see he has only played 20 games, has he been injured? He's having a good year stats wise but almost half of his scoring has been on the pp, not sure how that works out here...

I honestly think we can make it work for the next 2 seasons.

He was hurt going into the season. Don't know where you're looking but 13 of his 18pts have been at even-strength. His production is mostly even strength on a bad team.

Ideally we cut the fat/dead weight in 2 offseasons. Whoever that might be. If we were going by this seasons play, we'd keep Lindgren and trade Trouba.

 

[haohmaru]

He's kind of a luxury. It's nice that he's pacing for 35 points or whatnot, that's a very nice fourth liner, but if the team isn't willing to try to move it's bigger anchor contracts ~cough~ .... then it has to make due with cheap fourth liners. Swapping in Rydahl and you probably don't miss TOO much. Of course Blais has to be replaced too, but maybe that Cuylle.

So.... Rydahl is taking Goodrow's place and we won't miss him all that much? I think you underestimate what Goodrow brings to the team -AND- you're replacing him with an Swedish league /AHL 28 year old vet that's never played an NHL game.

This is the problem I have with a lot of your scenarios - you're replacing established/successful players with throwing a dart blindfolded at the dart board. Rhydal, right now, can't hold Goodrow's jockstrap.

 

[bhamill]

Have the Islanders won a Cup that I missed? Or did they just get to the Conference Finals like we did, without Blais on our active roster?

Not a difference maker.

Blais was literally a difference maker on a Cup winning team in St Louis.

Besides, this is like saying "we don't need a top flight goalie, did we win a cup with Hank, or with Shesty last year? Not a difference maker." It's just not good logic.

 

[haohmaru]

Blais was literally a difference maker on a Cup winning team in St Louis.

Besides, this is like saying "we don't need a top flight goalie, did we win a cup with Hank, or with Shesty last year? Not a difference maker."

Blais did have an impactful role on that Cup winning team, no doubt.

Blais 2.0, the guy we have after knee surgery, belongs in Hartford.

 

[tomobson]

Everyone shat on Dom L yet what he said was spot on. We are a bubble team without the kids developing.

Kakko has come along, Laf has not. We sit somewhere short of "safe," to make the playoffs at this particular moment.

He didn't really go out on a limb there with that statement and tbf the team looked way better than they did last season to start this year but the puck just wouldn't go into the net. A little more puck luck at the start of the year and you wouldn't be bringing up Dom L at all. I think everyone expected the kids would play better after the playoffs they had and they've mostly have besides Laf.

 

[bhamill]

Blais did have an impactful role on that Cup winning team, no doubt.

Blais 2.0, the guy we have after knee surgery, belongs in Hartford.

It would be ideal if he could be sent down to play the year and rehab.

 

[McRanger92]

Why are we talking about Dom L like hes some kind of expert? His model is basically "what set of numbers can I use to make my Maple Leaves look like the best team in the league every year"

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Everyone shat on Dom L yet what he said was spot on. We are a bubble team without the kids developing.

Kakko has come along, Laf has not. We sit somewhere short of "safe," to make the playoffs at this particular moment.

More of the kids have come along than not.

No one in the division is really a lock for anything. So I guess everyone is a bubble team

 

[McRanger92]

More of the kids have come along than not.

No one in the division is really a lock for anything. So I guess everyone is a bubble team

These playoff projections have become so saturated and meaningless. Moneypuck has the Devils at 95%!!! to make the playoffs and Rangers, Penguins, Islanders all at 50%. Make it make sense.

 

[haohmaru]

These playoff projections have become so saturated and meaningless. Moneypuck has the Devils at 95%!!! to make the playoffs and Rangers, Penguins, Islanders all at 50%. Make it make sense.

Devils are falling fast. If you broke the season into quarters (20.5 game segments), I'll bet the Rangers odds would look a lot different. Rangers are trending up and have been since "The Helmet". Kakko is filling his shoes and you can see it happening.