Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[IronBloodedLion]

I think Harpur has been a nice addition. Should getting another LHD be off the table? Absolutely not, but he’s been holding it down with Schneider pretty well.

I like the Vesey extension.

I feel like Kravstov is where Kakko was earlier in the season where you can see it coming together, he just needs to start cashing in his chances. The skill is there for sure.

That third line of Laf-Chytil needs a RW in the worst way. Whether it’s through Gauthier or making a move, it’s a glaring weakness and hurting them IMO.

 

[DanielBrassard]

If Buch was still here that could relegate the ineffective players like Lafreniere and Kravtsov to the 4th line which is a win in itself.

Kravtsov has actually been effective lately. I know the points aren't there but he's carrying pucks into the zone, he's been winning more 50/50 pucks, he's been finding himself with quality looks, last night he had at least 2 and maybe 3. His 5v5 numbers are good. Not saying he's going to be a star but he's been useful.

 

[mas0764]

We still need an upgrade to the 3rd pair.We cannot go into the playoffs with Harpur in the top 6.That should be priority #1 for Drury this trade deadline

The problem is, there's not much.

Rental forward may be cheaper.

We need to stop talking about the Buch trade. It wasn’t a trade for grit. It was a trade for cap space and lineup flexibility. We had at the time what was perceived to be overflowing prospect depth at that position and lacked certain elements lower down the lineup.

The trade was poorly executed. Bottom line.

That said, Blais was never supposed to come in and produce at anywhere near Buch level. Kakko or Kravtsov were supposed to do that with their new found opportunity.

Everyone's problem is that we got nothing useful. You could have just kept him and let him walk in free agency if all you wanted was cap space. You could have gotten cap space by just taking a first round pick for him, which, coincidentally, you would have gotten that and more had you moved him at the trade deadline.

It was a blunder, an F-, fireable mismanagement of assets, but Drury gets a pass because of all the good work Gorton did before him has allowed the team to be something of a contender.

 

[McRanger92]

If Buch was still here that could relegate the ineffective players like Lafreniere and Kravtsov to the 4th line which is a win in itself.

I see what you did there

 

[duhmetreE]

Kravtsov has actually been effective lately. I know the points aren't there but he's carrying pucks into the zone, he's been winning more 50/50 pucks, he's been finding himself with quality looks, last night he had at least 2 and maybe 3. His 5v5 numbers are good. Not saying he's going to be a star but he's been useful.

he doesn't watch games.. finds the stats more exciting and foretelling

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

I wonder if Lafreniere+2nd would get it done for Buch.

most likely not. and besides why would you want to mess around with armstrong again after what he got away with the first time?

 

[McRanger92]

I'm all in on Jakob Chychrun.

Did you see how KAM affects the game with his mobility? That's a big weakness on this team. We lack mobile defensemen.

Fox is not going anywhere and will have his # retired.
Trouba has been terrible and 'skates like he has 11lbs of shit in his pants'
Lindgren is good at what he does but is overslotted and terrible offensively.
Schneider is a budding player but is not there yet.

Adding a Chyhcrun makes everything fall into place and adds a lot of dynamic ability from the back end, which we really lack...

Chychrun Fox
KAM Trouba
Lindgren Schneider

I would have swapped Trouba and Schneider by now but Coaches Decisions

That is the most all-in move the Rangers could make, but I am really hesitant to trade the 2023 1st or anyone off the main roster (Laf/Krav) that it would potentially take. The problem is the Defense trade market is looking bleak.

 

[Daves a mess]

Who's first to 10 goals in the NHL, Kravstov or Schneider?

Better be fn Kravtsov, Jovo lol.

 

[duhmetreE]

That is the most all-in move the Rangers could make, but I am really hesitant to trade the 2023 1st or anyone off the main roster (Laf/Krav) that it would potentially take. The problem is the Defense trade market is looking bleak.

I'd be OK with 1 of the 1sts this year and a 1st in 2024. That's a hefty price but at $2.3M, he's worth it IMO. Have to realize, that's the last big move the team will make for the foreseeable future ( 2024 when Trouba is most likely moved )

I truly think he will take this teams game/offense to another level. We lack 2023 mobile defenders. KAM is the only one and we see how he can 'take over' games. Have 3 seasons of Chychrun with this team, with the team improving as much as the kids improve.

 

[McRanger92]

I'd be OK with 1 of the 1sts this year and a 1st in 2024. That's a hefty price but at $2.3M, he's worth it IMO. Have to realize, that's the last big move the team will make for the foreseeable future ( 2024 when Trouba is most likely moved )

I truly think he will take this teams game/offense to another level. We lack 2023 mobile defenders. KAM is the only one and we see how he can 'take over' games. Have 3 seasons of Chychrun with this team, with the team improving as much as the kids improve.

Yeah trading for Chychrun now would be a similar effect to when the Lightning traded for McDonagh. Gave them another stud defenseman that took them to the next level. I'm into it, but theres lots of moving parts, including the fact that Lindgren will almost definitely be moved for cap space in the summer.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah trading for Chychrun now would be a similar effect to when the Lightning traded for McDonagh. Gave them another stud defenseman that took them to the next level. I'm into it, but theres lots of moving parts, including the fact that Lindgren will almost definitely be moved for cap space in the summer.

and that's the unfortunate part. I like Lindgren but he shouldn't be on the top pair IMO

I also do think it's possible to squeak by next year cap wise, with the team staying intact.

 

[Ruggs225]

and that's the unfortunate part. I like Lindgren but he shouldn't be on the top pair IMO

I also do think it's possible to squeak by next year cap wise, with the team staying intact.

Why not? Him and fox are great together, he is good defensively and lets fox do his thing offensively which is key.

Just because he isnt an offensive dynamo or an all star doesnt mean he isnt capable on the first pair. He is and has performed well in his role.

 

[duhmetreE]

Why not? Him and fox are great together, he is good defensively and lets fox do his thing offensively which is key.

Just because he isnt an offensive dynamo or an all star doesnt mean he isnt capable on the first pair. He is and has performed well in his role.

he doesn't have to be an offensive dynamo... he just cant be an offensive black hole

Offense dies on the stick of 1/2 of our top4. Is that not an issue?

 

[Ruggs225]

he doesn't have to be an offensive dynamo... he just cant be an offensive black hole

Offense dies on the stick of 1/2 of our top4. Is that not an issue?

Not really if he is prevent ing goals the other way. Fox is all the offense u need on that pair offensively. And not for nothing, but having a more offensive person could affect foxs playing. Why mess with a good thing for something that would probably be a negligible gain if any at all.

 

[mas0764]

I'm all in on Jakob Chychrun.

Did you see how KAM affects the game with his mobility? That's a big weakness on this team. We lack mobile defensemen.

Fox is not going anywhere and will have his # retired.
Trouba has been terrible and 'skates like he has 11lbs of shit in his pants'
Lindgren is good at what he does but is overslotted and terrible offensively.
Schneider is a budding player but is not there yet.

Adding a Chyhcrun makes everything fall into place and adds a lot of dynamic ability from the back end, which we really lack...

Chychrun Fox
KAM Trouba
Lindgren Schneider

I would have swapped Trouba and Schneider by now but Coaches Decisions

How do you acquire Chychrun, though?

Jones, Berard/Cuylle and a 2nd? Otherwise pass.

 

[Avery16]

No one will ever convince me that Lindgren doesn't belong in the top-four of a SC winner. He's exactly the type of player we want here. If he becomes a cap casualty, pray for Igor.

 

[mas0764]

I honestly think NYR NEED the sort of player they envisioned Blais to be.

They really don't.

 

[mas0764]

I'd be OK with 1 of the 1sts this year and a 1st in 2024. That's a hefty price but at $2.3M, he's worth it IMO. Have to realize, that's the last big move the team will make for the foreseeable future ( 2024 when Trouba is most likely moved )

I truly think he will take this teams game/offense to another level. We lack 2023 mobile defenders. KAM is the only one and we see how he can 'take over' games. Have 3 seasons of Chychrun with this team, with the team improving as much as the kids improve.

I'm not excited to trade two firsts and then lock myself in to "the last big move the team can make." Especially with so many young, growing variables, you don't 100% know what you will need. Other than we also know we need future centers bad as it is.

I don't think Chychrun is aquirable for a package that makes sense and I think the Rangers have no one to blame but themselves for the situation they are in where they can't really go after him because of the cap space and lack of extra assets/prospects to deal.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Vesey’s deal is mutually beneficial. He’s comfortable here, wants to be here. I think he feels really fortunate to have this second run with us, it’s a safe decision. Everyone wins.

PS - I couldn’t stand Vesey in his first stint with us. Beyond his decent play, I like this version far more, just a vibe. I think he’s very appreciative to be here, and it shows.

It's a great deal as long as Vesey stays out of the top 6*

*Barring injuries

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

ryan lindgren (siiiiiighhh)!!!!

well if i'm one of those top scoring guys in the league and i see coming up next game on the schedule is the new york rangers the above would be my reaction. lindgren is a royal pain in the ass to play against. he will front you, he will board you, and yes he will even violate you in some way. and once in a blue moon he'll score a goal.

don't underestimate what this guy does for the team.

 

[McRanger92]

and that's the unfortunate part. I like Lindgren but he shouldn't be on the top pair IMO

I also do think it's possible to squeak by next year cap wise, with the team staying intact.

I think you underrate Lindgren. Hes a very solid secondary puck mover and he is excellent defensively. The proof is in what a trainwreck the team becomes when he is out of the lineup. If we trade for Chychrun, which again I'm very open to the discussion, Drury needs to be certain that Robertson can fill his role or we are going to be in the same position looking for a defenseman again in 2024.

Counterpoint is that the ceiling of the team is massive with this on D:

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Chychrun-Schneider

Best D core in the league and it wouldnt be particularly close imo

 

[mas0764]

I think you underrate Lindgren. Hes a very solid secondary puck mover and he is excellent defensively. The proof is in what a trainwreck the team becomes when he is out of the lineup. If we trade for Chychrun, which again I'm very open to the discussion, Drury needs to be certain that Robertson can fill his role or we are going to be in the same position looking for a defenseman again in 2024.

Counterpoint is that the ceiling of the team is massive with this on D:

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Chychrun-Schneider

Best D core in the league and it wouldnt be particularly close imo

Allows you to move Trouba ASAP too, with Jones or Robertson grabbing a spot.

 

[Ruggs225]

Allows you to move Trouba ASAP too, with Jones or Robertson grabbing a spot.

Wrong side… aslo we arent moving trouba as long as he has a NMC and we would have to eat a ton of salary.

Maybe we buy him out in a year or two

 

[The New Russian Five]

Yeah trading for Chychrun now would be a similar effect to when the Lightning traded for McDonagh. Gave them another stud defenseman that took them to the next level. I'm into it, but theres lots of moving parts, including the fact that Lindgren will almost definitely be moved for cap space in the summer.

Lindgren would be moved regardless. How are we going to re-sign Chytil, Miller, and Laf this offseason otherwise?

Wrong side… aslo we arent moving trouba as long as he has a NMC and we would have to eat a ton of salary.

Maybe we buy him out in a year or two

I mean his NMC is gone after the end of next season, would rather trade him and eat a little cash in the process than to buy him out, where we get the same deadweight cap hit but for twice the length of time.

 

[MrAlmost]

Lindgren is the type of player this board always says is a cap casualty and that we "just dont have room for" right before 120 pages of discussion on how we can acquire a Lindgren type for the "right price". Rinse. Repeat.