Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Fitzy]

Frankly right now it's Vesey, not Rydahl, who could replace Goodrow at a fraction.

 

[haohmaru]

Frankly right now it's Vesey, not Rydahl, who could replace Goodrow at a fraction.

Vesey has been damned good when you factor in what he's getting paid (and going to get paid) for the future. Great pick up by Drury.

 

[Circus86]

no we don't. why? it's a reminder to not the same mistake(s). keep a guy and develop him for 5 seasons and then do some oakland a's shit? actually it's worse than the a's as they actually get back meaningful impactful hauls, not sammy phucking blais!!!

and frankly it was kinda a spit on buch's face. you were wonderful at under a million a season but when it came time for a well deserved payday sorry but we got to send you somewhere else.

We sinply didn't have the cap. Without flat cap I think we would have signed him. It sucks but that was the reality. I understand why we traded him but the return was horrible.

 

[GAGLine]

On a side note, wow espn sucks at hockey analysis.

This article has the rangers projected at 99 pts and a 75% chance to make the playoffs.

They are projecting us to have more points than the Devils and penguins and the same as the caps. He also goves us better odds than the devils and pens to make the playoffs, and very similar odds to caps.

However the Devils are listed as Playoff Locks, the pens and caps are listed as Playoff likely and we are only “on the bubble”
Wyshinsky is an idiot.

Wyshynski's NHL playoff hope tiers: Projections for all 32 teams

Who will make the 2023 Stanley Cup playoffs field? Which teams will get the farthest? And what can derail those hopes?

www.espn.com

You've got 3 different opinions in that article. The article is referencing both FiveThirtyEight and Money Puck (links in the article). The ranking is Wyshynski's, but the numbers are from the other sites.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Devils are falling fast. If you broke the season into quarters (20.5 game segments), I'll bet the Rangers odds would look a lot different. Rangers are trending up and have been since "The Helmet". Kakko is filling his shoes and you can see it happening.

I have a lot of problems with Dom's player models, which are honestly terrible, but his team projections are usually pretty good. Micah McCurdy has one of the better performing playoff prediction models, and he has us at ~71% right now. I think we're realistically somewhere between the two. This division is so close right now, and there really isn't a margin for error. They need to keep winning and building on their recent play. Here's the latest update from Micah:

 

[Ruggs225]

You've got 3 different opinions in that article. The article is referencing both FiveThirtyEight and Money Puck (links in the article). The ranking is Wyshynski's, but the numbers are from the other sites.

True, but still there is no logic behind wyshinski’s ranking especially since the show projections dont align with it.

Its just baffling how NJD is a lock, Pitt Wsh are most likely, and rangers and isles are bubble.

They are separated by a couple points. None of these 5 teams are locks. They are all squarely on the bubble bc not all 5 can make it, and they are all one bad losing streak from being on the outside looking in.

Its really baffling how he separated those 5 teams, especially combined with the projected pts and playoff % stats that dont back-up what he is saying.

 

[Synergy27]

The problem is, there's not much.

Rental forward may be cheaper.



Everyone's problem is that we got nothing useful. You could have just kept him and let him walk in free agency if all you wanted was cap space. You could have gotten cap space by just taking a first round pick for him, which, coincidentally, you would have gotten that and more had you moved him at the trade deadline.

It was a blunder, an F-, fireable mismanagement of assets, but Drury gets a pass because of all the good work Gorton did before him has allowed the team to be something of a contender.

I’m not giving Drury a pass. I hate the trade. All I’m saying is that the framing of the trade as Buch for Blais is incorrect.

 

[The New Russian Five]

Trade or buyout Goodrow instead

He likely will have to be gone as well. Moving Lindgren won't be enough. I think everyone is severely underestimating the rangers cap crunch going into the offseason.

 

[IDvsEGO]

On a side note, wow espn sucks at hockey analysis.

This article has the rangers projected at 99 pts and a 75% chance to make the playoffs.

They are projecting us to have more points than the Devils and penguins and the same as the caps. He also goves us better odds than the devils and pens to make the playoffs, and very similar odds to caps.

However the Devils are listed as Playoff Locks, the pens and caps are listed as Playoff likely and we are only “on the bubble”
Wyshinsky is an idiot.

Wyshynski's NHL playoff hope tiers: Projections for all 32 teams

Who will make the 2023 Stanley Cup playoffs field? Which teams will get the farthest? And what can derail those hopes?

www.espn.com

Wys hates the rangers.
This is not even some NYJ Cimini hates the jets concept, this is a guy who's vocal about his dislike of the rangers.
The islanders missed the playoffs but he ranks them higher than the rangers.

Wys is terrible.

Espn had a few moments where they actually had hockey coverage, and then fired lebrun.

 

[duhmetreE]

I didn't realize what terrible metrics Goodrow has. wow.

Trade or buyout Goodrow instead

IMO he could easily be traded despite his horrible metrics.... for the same reason we traded for him and signed him to a ludicrous contract

I know people advocate for a buyout but that's absolute last resort

 

[IDvsEGO]

I didn't realize what terrible metrics Goodrow has. wow.


IMO he could easily be traded despite his horrible metrics.... for the same reason we traded for him and signed him to a ludicrous contract

I know people advocate for a buyout but that's absolute last resort

The buyout is pretty minimal and easy.
Yeah it lasts for a few years, but the cap will be shooting up at that point and it won’t be noticed.

 

[EdJovanovski]

#KravtsovforAllStar

 

[McRanger92]

I didn't realize what terrible metrics Goodrow has. wow.


IMO he could easily be traded despite his horrible metrics.... for the same reason we traded for him and signed him to a ludicrous contract

I know people advocate for a buyout but that's absolute last resort

I think he’s a good player and valuable but he’s replaceable. Vesey can play his role.

 

[NYR2007]

The same people saying to buy out goodrow and the cap is going up so it wont even effect us are the same people bitching we traded Buch for cap space having all the dead cap from previous buy outs on our books.

Goodrow is a player you want in the playoffs. He plays up and down the line up. We aren’t gonna win anything with more players like Kratsov in the line up in the playoffs

 

[mas0764]

I think he’s a good player and valuable but he’s replaceable. Vesey can play his role.

A guy like Rydahl can probably do a lot of it too.

 

[duhmetreE]

Old guard + new guard + Shesty on his current deal = strong 3 year window.

KAM 2-3 years @ $4.5M per
Chytil 2-3 years @ $4.5M per
Laffy 2 years @ $2.1M per
Kravtsov 1-2 years @ $1.5M
Gauthier 1 year @ $1M
Dump Goodrow to highest bidder, I'll take 5th.
2 1sts (2023 + 2024 ), Jones+ for Chychrun

 

[egelband]

True, but still there is no logic behind wyshinski’s ranking especially since the show projections dont align with it.

Its just baffling how NJD is a lock, Pitt Wsh are most likely, and rangers and isles are bubble.

They are separated by a couple points. None of these 5 teams are locks. They are all squarely on the bubble bc not all 5 can make it, and they are all one bad losing streak from being on the outside looking in.

Its really baffling how he separated those 5 teams, especially combined with the projected pts and playoff % stats that dont back-up what he is saying.

Pretty sure Wyshynski is a big Devils fan. And since he’s a big name he gets to editorialize pretty loosely.

Also, tweaking the Rangers is kind of a thing. Leafs too. But I see they’re sitting in the top tier. I guess that’s the ‘jinx’ approach.

 

[Avery16]

The same people saying to buy out goodrow and the cap is going up so it wont even effect us are the same people bitching we traded Buch for cap space having all the dead cap from previous buy outs on our books.

Goodrow is a player you want in the playoffs. He plays up and down the line up. We aren’t gonna win anything with more players like Kratsov in the line up in the playoffs

We aren't winning anything with Goodrow now and with his cap hit we can't afford to make any substantive changes either.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I doubt Goodrow is going anywhere soon atleast, maybe in a couple years,he's very useful and to be honest has earned his pay this year.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I doubt Goodrow is going anywhere soon atleast, maybe in a couple years,he's very useful and to be honest has earned his pay this year.

He's a valuable player and can play up and down the lineup and multiple forward positions but it's very possible the cap goes nowhere again and they just simply can't afford him considering they have to sign Laf, Miller, Kravs, and Chytil. We should also have Cuylle, Othmann, Berard, and Rydahl vying for bottom 6 playing time next year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He's a valuable player and can play up and down the lineup and multiple forward positions but it's very possible the cap goes nowhere again and they just simply can't afford him considering they have to sign Laf, Miller, Kravs, and Chytil. We should also have Cuylle, Othmann, Berard, and Rydahl vying for bottom 6 playing time next year.

They'll figure it out, I don't see the coach or GM wanting to trade him. I'd honestly like to see Othmann play most of the year in Hartford.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

#KravtsovforAllStar

#lame

Not your vote, the whole fan voting thing.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

They'll figure it out, I don't see the coach or GM wanting to trade him. I'd honestly like to see Othmann play most of the year in Hartford.

I'm sure nobody wants to trade him. It just may not be possible to keep a bottom 6 3.6 million dollar player when so many younger guys need extensions. I guess we will see.

 

[Daves a mess]

Rangers interested in ROR?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

#lame

Not your vote, the whole fan voting thing.

I hate it too, being a 4 time all star used to mean something, now everyone has to have a player there and John Scott gets voted in, why bother calling it an all star game. Just have an outdoor game with all the fan voted players and call it the Fans Classic.