Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Rangers in 7]

It's not always about stats. Particularly ones as noisy as goals.

I agree it’s not always about stats

But people in here love to cherry pick

Zib has been ass, so has kreider, panarin hasn’t been much better

But all three of those are veterans and are averaging over a point a game so they get a pass

 

[SA16]

I agree it’s not always about stats

But people in here love to cherry pick

Zib has been ass, so has kreider, panarin hasn’t been much better

But all three of those are veterans and are averaging over a point a game so they get a pass

They all have a history of performing well and they are much more noticeable on the ice than Laf is. He is consistently completely uninvolved regardless of what line he plays on.

 

[Rangers in 7]

They all have a history of performing well and they are much more noticeable on the ice than Laf is. He is consistently completely uninvolved regardless of what line he plays on.

I’ll concede I am disappointed with his play. I want more out of him. He should be playing better. But at the same time the treatment is terrible. Kreider has reverted back to being invisible for 50 minutes a game. He’s been shit. Zib just hasn’t been right. Panarin is floating around the ice.

The truth is without improvement from the kids we aren’t going anywhere. The constant line juggling isn’t going to help

 

[Lion Hound]

I think Kakko totally deserves to get the shot to play up there. Wanted to see this for a long time now and while Gallant has experimented there, the constant shuffling doesn't make too much sense to me. Let the players figure it out together. Kakko I think is the best option for RW on the squad. So might as well play him up top.

Hoping Gallant puts Schneider up on the 2nd pair with Miller and keeps him there. At this point Trouba has played himself out of that position. Let see where these two can go with the opportunity. Trouba can get extra minutes on PK and PP2.

 

[SA16]

I’ll concede I am disappointed with his play. I want more out of him. He should be playing better. But at the same time the treatment is terrible. Kreider has reverted back to being invisible for 50 minutes a game. He’s been shit. Zib just hasn’t been right. Panarin is floating around the ice.

The truth is without improvement from the kids we aren’t going anywhere. The constant line juggling isn’t going to help

I don't really see the treatment being out of line with other recent high draft picks.

Holtz plays 10 minutes per game and is constantly a healthy scratch
Byfield was playing 11 minutes per game, got demoted, and just came back up
Slafkovsky is playing under 12 minutes per game on a rebuilding team
Shane Wright has played under 10 minutes per game
Kent Johnson is under 14 minutes per game on a terrible team (up recently due to a ton of injuries)
Guenther playing under 13 minutes per game on Arizona before the WJC
Wyatt Johnson playing 14:30 game in a L3/PP2 role
Marco Rossi was barely playing, constantly scratched, and now is in the AHL.
Jack Quinn has been good...at under 14 mins/game (he's had a consistent line).
Mason McTavish is under 15 minutes a game playing on the 3rd line with awful linemates (but has been PP1 lately)

People like to make it out like the Rangers are doing something totally different to everyone else but they're really not. Those are all top 10 picks from the 2020 draft to 2022 draft. McTavish is the only one there who gets consistent PP1 time. Only a few players have really been productive and are consistently played in big roles (Power,Beniers,Stutzle,Raymond,Sanderson). His play isn't good enough but blaming the team for the usage is a cop out. If he played better you'd see flashes and he'd work his way up. Starting in a 3rd line/pp2 role is common for most young players. Kakko has had that role and when you watch him play you see a guy who looks very strong on the puck and is constantly getting/generating chances.

 

[Daves a mess]

maybe he had to take a shit?

Could of sworn Jovo said that the only Ranger that doesn't shit is Vitali...
Or did he say " human"?

As far as Buch.. I think he thinks the doves take it away.

 

[DanielBrassard]

It's not always about stats. Particularly ones as noisy as goals.

Once again, this is the truth even if people don't want to hear it.

 

[haohmaru]

I’ll concede I am disappointed with his play. I want more out of him. He should be playing better. But at the same time the treatment is terrible. Kreider has reverted back to being invisible for 50 minutes a game. He’s been shit. Zib just hasn’t been right. Panarin is floating around the ice.

The truth is without improvement from the kids we aren’t going anywhere. The constant line juggling isn’t going to help

The hard truth is that he's probably getting more even strength ice time than he deserves.

 

[zlev]

i want to see Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov

 

[Rangers in 7]

Im not going to tag everyone but you can’t say laf’s stats mean shit, but then turn around and say well zib is averaging over a point per game. Or kreider has 16 goals. The whole team from top to bottom has been ass. I’m just not a fan of bitching about the consistency from a 21 year old when our 12 mil a season player thinks it’s ok to coast around the ice

 

[Clark Kellogg]

These are all of Drury's draft picks:

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Of the 2021s, Lamb, Boyko and Kempf seem to have stagnated or regressed. I hoped Korczak would stick in the AHL or at least the ECHL, but he's doing well in the WHL. Maybe he just needs another year to be physically ready for the AHL. Even though he was eligible to play in the AHL, it's still his D+2 season, when most CHL players are still playing in the CHL.

Othmann has done a lot of good things, but I'm not completely sold on his potential yet. Grubbe has rebounded nicely from a bad injury, but he'll need to continue to improve. Vaisanen and Chmelar are both showing well in the WJC so far, but it's only 1 game, and it's a long way from there to a spot in the NHL.

For the 2022s, we don't have much yet to go on. We'll see how Sykora looks in the WJC. BOB has been doing well so far in the OHL and Laba has had a surprising start, both in the NCAA and by his inclusion on the US WJC team (even if he doesn't get to play). With the other 3, there's really nothing to get excited about yet. Barbashev has been decent and the other two are younger guys in college programs, so they may have to wait their turn.

I know it’s way too early but a future fourth line of Centre’s Jayden Grubbe with Adam Edstrom and Matt Rempe would be a gift from the hockey gods.

 

[Daves a mess]

I don't really see the treatment being out of line with other recent high draft picks who have been disappointing so far.

Holtz plays 10 minutes per game and is constantly a healthy scratch
Byfield was playing 11 minutes per game, got demoted, and just came back up
Slafkovsky is playing under 12 minutes per game on a rebuilding team
Shane Wright has played under 10 minutes per game
Kent Johnson is under 14 minutes per game on a terrible team (up recently due to a ton of injuries)
Guenther playing under 13 minutes per game on Arizona before the WJC
Wyatt Johnson playing 14:30 game in a L3/PP2 role
Marco Rossi was barely playing, constantly scratched, and now is in the AHL.
Jack Quinn has been good...at under 14 mins/game (he's had a consistent line).
Mason McTavish is under 15 minutes a game playing on the 3rd line with awful linemates (but has been PP1 lately)

People like to make it out like the Rangers are doing something totally different to everyone else but they're really not. Those are all top 10 picks from the 2020 draft to 2022 draft. McTavish is the only one there who gets consistent PP1 time. Only a few players have really been productive and are consistently played in big roles (Power,Beniers,Stutzle,Raymond,Sanderson). His play isn't good enough but blaming the team for the usage is a cop out. If he played better you'd see flashes and he'd work his way up. Starting in a 3rd line/pp2 role is common for most young players.

This is an outstanding post.

Few things hurt a team more than managmant giving undeserving players more minutes because of their draft position.

Lafs game is level at best and I don't think people that matter are seeing the skill, that makes him a top six player.

I'm probably in the minority, but I'm really concerned about this players ceiling. I think Brennan Othmann has better skills than Laf at the same age. Better shot, better stick skills, better passing, better skating.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[Rangers in 7]

This is an outstanding post.

Few things hurt a team more than managmant giving undeserving players more minutes because of their draft position.

Lafs game is level at best and I don't think people that matter are seeing the skill, that makes him a top six player.

I'm probably in the minority, but I'm really concerned about this players ceiling. I think Brennan Othmann has better skills than Laf at the same age. Better shot, better stick skills, better passing, better skating.

LOL stop it

 

[Daves a mess]

LOL stop it

Nope. Not a fan of Lafs skill set.

 

[duhmetreE]

now do the vets?

Expect the kids to be consistent? what about the established veterans? They get passes because they have bigger paychecks?

 

[JohnC]

I liked the lineup the team was rolling going into the break and think it’s a really bitch ass move from the coaching staff to nuke it after one ugly loss coming out of the break.

NHL coaches are the absolute worst.

 

[Daves a mess]

Laf getting scratched.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Nope. Not a fan of Lafs skill set.

Othmann and laf two completely different players. One was a consensus #1 pick. The other a surprise middle of the first. Just because you’re pissed laf has underwhelmed doesn’t make your statement true at all

 

[Rangers in 7]

LOL SERIOUSLY

 

[kovazub94]

I don't totally understand this whole season. Going into it, we were led to believe that the success of the team was going to rely on whether the kids could grow into meaningful positions. But part of that philosophy is being okay with the downside. Dealing with the inconsistencies of young players. Looking like crap some games, etc. But here we are putting all our eggs in the win now basket. And what's suffering is the development of several kids who are by no means perfect. We're bouncing them around the lineup. We're demoting them when things get hard in games, we're over relying on vets. Exactly what a team that only has win now on their minds does. I think it's a giant organizational failure and a huge misconnect between coaches, management and players. The message has been one thing. But the actions have been another. I think, if, rightly so, your plan is to go with the kids and develop them so you can have a more complete team, then do it. But the more you demote these kids when they are clearly not getting the job done, the more you are hurting the overall chance of building something sustainable here. Putting Laffy or Kravy or Kakko in weird spots in the lineup constantly is not great. Not just for them but for the whole team. Moving the kids around the lineup also means constantly changing who the vets are playing with. What the team needs is a unified approach from the GM down to the coaches down to the farm system. What are the team priorities? Because trying to win and develop at the same time is going to hit snags and when it does, what are you going to prioritize first? Winning or development?

Right now, it's winning. And you can see it's having an impact on the guys who are not yet fully developed.

Why are you generalizing based on one post-shitty game practice? All of the kids line has gotten plenty of top-6 ice time throughout this season, last night Lafreniere didn’t play with any type of noticeable effort or urgency. So the coach can’t demote him for a game or two (likely way less) to rid of complacency out of young pro with high expectations (this is his 3rd season in the NHL if you didn’t notice)?

 

[Daves a mess]

Othmann and laf two completely different players. One was a consensus #1 pick. The other a surprise middle of the first. Just because you’re pissed laf has underwhelmed doesn’t make your statement true at all

Don't believe it at all, I could give af less. Not looking for your blessing.

Being different picks doesn't mean that two wingers of similar stature can't be comparable. I will compare them going forward. I would not be shocked if Othmann ends up the better player. And I'm not even a Brennan nut hugger. I think he needs to grow up a little.

 

[gravey9]

Why are you generalizing based on one post-shitty game practice? All of the kids line has gotten plenty of top-6 ice time throughout this season, last night Lafreniere didn’t play with any type of noticeable effort or urgency. So the coach can’t demote him for a game or two (likely way less) to rid of complacency out of young pro with high expectations (this is his 3rd season in the NHL if you didn’t notice)?

 

[TGWL]

Gallant throwing all his chips on the saying "Practice makes perfect."

Makes you wonder how much of that comes from the organization putting pressure on winning right now being the #1 priority.

 

[Rangers in 7]