Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2022-23): The Puck is Prepared to be Mounted

[Shesterkybomb]

Lias Anderson was a wasted pick from Day 1. Soft player with no heart that translated into a bust. Last I saw he had something like 7 or 8 goals lifetime with an incredibly high minus count something like -31. Just not a good player let alone top draft pick. This was a wasted opportunity for Rangers.

His foot issues didnt help either, his skating was gonna peak around Taveres level, but with the foot issues it got worse

 

[McRanger92]

Do you believe that Colorado would have lost last year if Sam Girard was healthy and playing? Jones is a similar type of player. They won with Jack Johnson as the replacement, and I have a hard time believing that putting Jack Johnson in over anyone is a net positive.

Zac Jones is no Sam Girard, but if you want to play that game, they lost in the second round the year before with Girard playing, and a fair amount of blame was thrown his way. Id argue the addition of Manson was the most important move the Avs made on D, who coincidentally is another guy who people said was terrible until he got off a bad team.

Teams need to clear the front of the net in the playoffs. The Rangers struggle with that and adding a guy who can do it in a postseason series is a big need.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

yeah and it shouldn't be Edmundson who is bad and expensive. that's all i'm really saying.

Edmundson is the type of player on the 3rd pairing that can give you basic defensive hockey mixed with a bit of size and push back. Someone who can allow Schneider to play more offensive, nobody we have here allows him to do that. There's others out there I'm sure, its not him or nobody but he fits the mold but only if they are retaining 50% imo.

 

[McRanger92]

yeah and it shouldn't be Edmundson who is bad and expensive. that's all i'm really saying.

He was good enough to play for the Blues and Canadiens on their Cup runs and get signed to contract by the analytical genius Hurricanes so how bad can he possibly be? He's not the only option but hes certainly an option.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Edmundson is the type of player on the 3rd pairing that can give you basic defensive hockey mixed with a bit of size and push back. Someone who can allow Schneider to play more offensive, nobody we have here allows him to do that. There's others out there I'm sure, its not him or nobody but he fits the mold but only if they are retaining 50% imo.

Schneider should be more defensive. He has not scored more than 8 goals in juniors. I am not sure if he has much offensive upside in the NHL. although for a physical defenseman he does not take many penalties which is great to see at his young age.

 

[SA16]

Manson was a very strong analytics guy for years. Not sure who was saying he was terrible.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Schneider should be more defensive. He has not scored more than 8 goals in juniors. I am not sure if he has much offensive upside in the NHL. although for a physical defenseman he does not take many penalties which is great to see at his young age.

He had 69 points in 82 games his last two seasons there. Thats great offensive upside for a dman.

 

[effen]

In his current iteration, Zac Jones is a guy who will help you win some games in December and January and help you lose some games in April and May.

If he doesn't change some stuff he will always be that guy. Who he is right now is neither rare nor valuable.

They need someone better - ideally his name is Zac Jones but that part is kind of on him.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Do you believe that Colorado would have lost last year if Sam Girard was healthy and playing? Jones is a similar type of player. They won with Jack Johnson as the replacement, and I have a hard time believing that putting Jack Johnson in over anyone is a net positive.

Although he's a better player that JMFJ, Girard is a bit overrated, and there's a reason he missed most of the playoffs. He's extremely small & fragile, thus he was repeatedly targeted with clean hard hits. He's not built for playoff hockey.

 

[Raspewtin]

Edmundson is the type of player on the 3rd pairing that can give you basic defensive hockey mixed with a bit of size and push back. Someone who can allow Schneider to play more offensive, nobody we have here allows him to do that. There's others out there I'm sure, its not him or nobody but he fits the mold but only if they are retaining 50% imo.

he will cost a 1st round pick (especially with retention) to have a #6 skillset. Look at what Chiarot just got. Look at what little impact he made. Edmundson is not and really never has been consistently good defensively.

 

[bhamill]

he will cost a 1st round pick (especially with retention) to have a #6 skillset. Look at what Chiarot just got. Look at what little impact he made. Edmundson is not and really never has been consistently good defensively.

If anything I think Chariot put teams OFF of paying too high a price for a 5-6 dman rental. It turned out badly; that doesn't tend to encourage similar moves and set the market. Hahaha.

 

[SA16]

Although he's a better player that JMFJ, Girard is a bit overrated, and there's a reason he missed most of the playoffs. He's extremely small & fragile, thus he was repeatedly targeted with clean hard hits. He's not built for playoff hockey.

I don't think I'd call someone who has missed 29 regular season games (2 while on the covid list) in 6 years extremely fragile. He also played in 34/37 playoff games from 2018 to 2020. Last year he got hurt and only played in 7. This does not look like a fragile player.

 

[Raspewtin]

If anything I think Chariot put teams OFF of paying too high a price for a 5-6 dman rental. It turned out badly; that doesn't tend to encourage similar moves and set the market. Hahaha.

yeah no lol. Montreal will point to the fact that Chiarot's not the reason Florida had like 2 goals in 4 games.

Edmundson is actually more of a candidate for a 1st because he has a cup, with two finals appearances.

 

[bhamill]

yeah no lol. Montreal will point to the fact that Chiarot's not the reason Florida had like 2 goals in 4 games.

Edmundson is actually more of a candidate for a 1st because he has a cup, with two finals appearances.

You yourself just noted what "little impact" Chiarot made... he's a cautionary tale regardless of FL being unable to score. Who gives a f*** what MTL points at? Hahaha. We shall see who learns from it and who doesn't.

 

[Raspewtin]

You yourself just noted what "little impact" Chiarot made... he's a cautionary tale regardless of FL being unable to score. Who gives a f*** what MTL points at? Hahaha. We shall see who learns from it and who doesn't.

Yeah I think Chiarot made no difference but big and tuff D that can allegedly take a regular shift (even moreso in the top 4) are always in demand for the playoffs, regardless of how actually good they are at it. every single one of those trades can bust and GMs would do it again next year.

uh Montreal is the one dealing Edmundson? lol, they can absolutely hold out for the best return

 

[Boris Zubov]

I don't think I'd call someone who has missed 29 regular season games (2 while on the covid list) in 6 years extremely fragile. He also played in 34/37 playoff games from 2018 to 2020. Last year he got hurt and only played in 7. This does not look like a fragile player.

Yep, he's totally built for the playoffs....just like Johnny Gadreau.

 

[SA16]

Yep, he's totally built for the playoffs....just like Johnny Gadreau.

Ah yes the classic snarky comment when proven incorrect

 

[huerter]

He had 69 points in 82 games his last two seasons there. Thats great offensive upside for a dman.

points schmoints

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

We already have one of those guys in Jacob Trouba. If your only goal is to go for a "big guy with experience" you're not going to target the right guy.

Go for a guy who is a good hockey player first, size and experience comes after that.

Also, the whole "Cup winning experience" is overrated. I'd take pre-2018 Nicklas Bäckström over a f*** ton of players who won cups for instance. Blais won a cup, who cares? Goodrow won 2. Good for him. That's not what makes him a good fit.

Adam McQuaid didn't bring us a cup. Neither did Victor Stålberg or Jarret Stoll.

Goodrow winning 2 Cups is exactly why he was brought in and that he was a good fit for the Rangers. That third line was the heartbeat of Tampa. Bad example. And of course any idiot would take Backstrom pre 2018 over Blais or Goodrow. You’re comparing a borderline hall of famer to 2 role players. That’s like saying hey I’d rather have pre 2018 Ovechkin on my team over Ruslan Fedotenko and then patting yourself on the back like you accomplished something.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Ah yes the classic snarky comment when proven incorrect

Coming from the King of Snark, I'll talk that as a compliment. The guys weighs 170lbs....he's the antithesis of a D-man built for the playoffs. He's exactly what @McRanger92 was referring to why Gallant won't play Jones, especially come playoff time.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

he will cost a 1st round pick (especially with retention) to have a #6 skillset. Look at what Chiarot just got. Look at what little impact he made. Edmundson is not and really never has been consistently good defensively.

He wont cost a 1st, nowhere near it.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[bhamill]

Yeah I think Chiarot made no difference but big and tuff D that can allegedly take a regular shift (even moreso in the top 4) are always in demand for the playoffs, regardless of how actually good they are at it. every single one of those trades can bust and GMs would do it again next year.

uh Montreal is the one dealing Edmundson? lol, they can absolutely hold out for the best return

Well, you are probably right that SOMEONE will pony up, bad a move as it might be. Hopefully not us.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Can’t wait for the Brooks article about Russians hanging out together

 

[Idlerlee]

Are there any realistic avenues that can bring Mats Zuccarello back to MSG ahead of the 23/24 season? Guy is aging like the finest wine.