Speculation: Roster Building Thread II (2019/2020) - DeAngelo and Lemieux Left

[offdacrossbar]

The Flames will use their remaining cap space to sign Tkachuk. The Flames have been looking to move Brodie, Hamonic and Frolik to free up money without any success. All of them have one year remaining on their contracts.

There are too many teams looking to shed money. There are so many unsigned veteran free agents. Some of those players will have a tough getting an NHL contract. There are so many unsigned group II free agents. Money is very tight with so many teams. Just look at front page of Capfriendly.

Some of the group II players without any leverage will have to accept their qualifying offer. There is no other way.

Pittsburgh is trying to clear money to sign Pettersson





Pettersson will sign his qualifying offer.



DeAngelo and Lemieux are in the same boat.

Tony needs to get off twitter. He liked a tweet last week/two weeks ago and then he unliked the tweet. There are screenshots of the tweet.

DeAngelo will not take around 1M.

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Training camp begins in four weeks. Teams report on September 12 and the 13th is the first day on ice.

well he may want more and hes not dumb. the twitter thing is a thing though.

hes looking at shatty being bought out and adam fox- although a stud in the making, hes proven nothing yet. ADA is kinda in a good spot here. hes an incumbent RD and after jake its brendan smith.

hell have no choice but to take his QO unless a player is moved to create space to sign him to a 3 yr deal.

interesting situation really.

if i were he, i would take the offer, play lights out and get paid.

however, the wild card here if he does that is Quinn. what if he doesnt like his "intentions" and hes ij the chateau bow wow again. could backfire for him.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

No team is going to offersheet Tony DeAngelo lol

 

[Leetch3]

If The Rangers play around with their roster a bit they could have, ~$2m in cap space going into the season.

ADA @ $1m
Lemieux @ $900k

Demote Beleskey and Smith, McKegg
Keep Fox, Rykov on the roster

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kreider-Chytil-Buchnevich
Lemieux-Andersson-Strome
Namestnikov-Howden-Fast
Nieves

Skjei-Trouba
Staal-ADA
Rykov/Hajek/Lindgren-Fox

This would allow Gorton to retain on someone like Namestnikov and/or take back a contract to help another team save some money if needed.

For example, would Calgary be looking to create a bit more cap flexibility to sign Tkachuk?

Hamonic for Namestnikov @ $3m cap hit

Flames save $857k

Both players are UFA's at year end. The Rangers use Hamonic for most of the season and then flip him at the deadline.

Or would Calgary give up a pick to swap Namestnikov @ $3m for Frolik ($4.3m). Both UFA's at year end. Flames save $1.3m this season.

rookies need to earn their spots but don't like having no potential open spots for kravtsov...

I don't see any benefit to burying smith...you shouldn't be carrying rykov/hajek/lindgren as a 7th d. if they aren't playing they should be in hartford. burying smith saves barely anything after you replace him with another guy as the 7th dman and then he takes away playing time in hartford. would rather just keep him as the 7th dman/14th forward.

not really sure what we'd do with hamonic as another RHD or what the benefit to us would be to give calgary cap relief when we aren't benefiting at all long term nor clearing cap space or roster space to improve our own situation.

 

[NYR Viper]

rookies need to earn their spots but don't like having no potential open spots for kravtsov...

I don't see any benefit to burying smith...you shouldn't be carrying rykov/hajek/lindgren as a 7th d. if they aren't playing they should be in hartford. burying smith saves barely anything after you replace him with another guy as the 7th dman and then he takes away playing time in hartford. would rather just keep him as the 7th dman/14th forward.

not really sure what we'd do with hamonic as another RHD or what the benefit to us would be to give calgary cap relief when we aren't benefiting at all long term nor clearing cap space or roster space to improve our own situation.

I though the same thing RE: Smith, however if they bury him, they save $1.075m. If they sign a vet d, say Claesson, at $700k, that's $375k savings. It's not much, but at the deadline it could be a decent chunk allowing them to facilitate taking on a contract for a pick

 

[Krams]

No team is going to offersheet Tony DeAngelo lol

Why not? I was thinking about this the other day, I'd sacrifice a 2nd round pick for ADA in a heart beat.

 

[RGY]

No team is going to offersheet Tony DeAngelo lol

I dont think anyone can offer sheet ADA or Lemmy.

Can someone clarify

 

[Edge]

well I think that is flawed logic that the league is trending away from...the idea of paying guys for what they were and not what they are or will be. that's how you end up with overpaid guys at the end of their careers, instead of paying guys that are currently good. But of course the difficult there is knowing which players are worth investing in...but that can be a whole separate topic.

on ADA and Lemieux specifically, my speculation is that the potential upside and desire to sign them for more than 1 year is the reason why neither has been signed yet. people hear just want them to sign and have it over, but there is no rush for either the team or the players to jump on the deal. as other teams sign their RFAs, maybe the trade market opens up and maybe we can make some moves to free up some space to allow a multiple year deal. my guess is that team has discussed both a 1 year deal and multi-year deal with both players depending on the cap situation.

I think that works within reason. For example, it works with a Matthew Tkachuk or (hopefully/eventually) a guy like Kakko. It's the part-way there types that are difficult. To that extent, I tend to think that's where ADA and Lemieux are right now.

 

[Zats Muccarello]

I dont think anyone can offer sheet ADA or Lemmy.

Can someone clarify

Why couldn't someone offersheet them? They are RFAs, free to speak to other teams if they so choose. They would have to accept a contract offer from another team and then the decision would be on the Rangers to match or take the compensation.

It is however extremely unlikely given how rare offersheets are.

 

[nyr2k2]

So many guys that probably should have deals. Marleau, Sheahan, Justin Williams, MPS, Kronwall, Brouwer, Maroon, Pominville, Boyle, Thorton, Rieder, Vankek, Gardiner, etc. Some of those guys are old and slow, but a lot would normally have a deal by now. So many teams are up against the cap however, so a lot of these guys are going to struggle to get a fair deal. I didn't even list half of the decent veteran players out there.

 

[Leetch3]

I think that works within reason. For example, it works with a Matthew Tkachuk or (hopefully/eventually) a guy like Kakko. It's the part-way there types that are difficult. To that extent, I tend to think that's where ADA and Lemieux are right now.

yep totally agree. the key is to know which players to invest in long term for what they will be and which players to not. the risk of locking up a guy long term that doesn't reach his potential is just as much as the risk of failing to lock a guy up that does. thats why JG & JD get paid the big fishnagels and we just argue about it for free lol

 

[GordonGecko]

I dont think anyone can offer sheet ADA or Lemmy.

Can someone clarify

Yes they can

"A rival General Manager with cap space could really hurt the Blueshirts by poaching Anthony DeAngelo or Brendan Lemieux with an offer sheet.

The compensation is one reason why offer sheets are rare with the price for a star player almost unreasonable in terms of draft picks. However, if a offer sheet is for reasonable terms, so is the compensation and that is where the two New York RFA’s could be tempting targets.

The compensation for any player signed for less than $4.2 million is manageable, as illustrated below:

$1,395,053 or below: No compensation
$1,395,054-$2,113,716: 3rd round pick
$2,113,717-$4,227,437: 2nd round pick"

The threat of an offer sheet to Tony DeAngelo or Brendan Lemieux

Gorton is waiting for as long as possible so other teams have as little cap space as possible and have filled out their roster as much as possible

 

[Thirty One]

I dont think anyone can offer sheet ADA or Lemmy.

Can someone clarify

I think what you're probably thinking is players who's ELC contracts expire, but don't have the necessary professional experience to be a RFA under section 10.2(c). For example, Casey Mittlestadt ELC signing age was 18-21 but he won't have 3 professional seasons under his belt when his contract expires next season. So if he's not extended before June 30, he'll be unsigned, but rights owned by Buffalo, and not a RFA. He won't be eligible for arbitration or to receive an offer sheet. DeAngelo and Lemieux both had enough professional seasons to become RFAs, though.

 

[Don Chytil]

If I ran a team with cap space and a rebuilding roster I'd go ahead and offer sheet both. A 2nd rounder for DeAngelo and a 3rd rounder for Lemieux. But thankfully every GM in this league seems to be allergic to taking risks.

 

[Boris Zubov]

If I ran a team with cap space and a rebuilding roster I'd go ahead and offer sheet both. A 2nd rounder for DeAngelo and a 3rd rounder for Lemieux. But thankfully every GM in this league seems to be allergic to taking risks.

I think it's less about the risk & more about perception. GMs realize that at some point they will have players in the same position to be poached. Plus they may want to do business with the Rangers somewhere down the line. These moves aren't made in a vacuum & the bitterness tends to linger.

 

[leetch99]

If I ran a team with cap space and a rebuilding roster I'd go ahead and offer sheet both. A 2nd rounder for DeAngelo and a 3rd rounder for Lemieux. But thankfully every GM in this league seems to be allergic to taking risks.

I can see it happening rather easily . GM's are not stupid and know that these guys can play and both provide a nice edge for a club . ADA on a team with some good leadership could be a real steal . I am sure a team like the Habs or NJ would take either one or both to complete their off season . ADA from Jersey and Lemieux's dad also well remembered there . Couple of cheap guys for a team like the Devils . No way Rangers get these guys cheap....Even a team like the vanilla like Leafs could make a move here.....especially if they lose Marner.

 

[RangerBoy]

So many guys that probably should have deals. Marleau, Sheahan, Justin Williams, MPS, Kronwall, Brouwer, Maroon, Pominville, Boyle, Thorton, Rieder, Vankek, Gardiner, etc. Some of those guys are old and slow, but a lot would normally have a deal by now. So many teams are up against the cap however, so a lot of these guys are going to struggle to get a fair deal. I didn't even list half of the decent veteran players out there.

Williams can go back to Carolina. He is still trying to figure if he wants to keep playing. They want him back.

Marleau wants to play in San Jose but it does not sound like San Jose wants him bank. Arizona wants to sign him.

Phaneuf was bought out by LA. Does anyone want him? Is his career over?

Thornton will go back to San Jose.

Teams would rather go with the young player making $925,000 than the old guy. They have no choice.

A little surprised Maroon hasn’t gotten a contract yet. He was very good for the Blues. Last summer he turned down better offers to play for the Blues. His son lives there with his mother. He wanted to be close to his son.

The other guy is Gardiner. He has a bad back. He rehabed the back rather than have surgery and returned for the playoffs. Gardiner played hurt in the playoffs against Boston. He struggled. Maybe teams are concerned that he will eventually need back surgery. He turned 29 this summer. Big risk. He wasn’t very good for the Leafs in the 2018 playoff series against Boston.

Brassard is another guy. Andy MacDonald.

How about Dan Girardi? He is playing another NHL game. The Rangers may be looking for a development coach for their D. The Rangers are paying him for the next three years. Why not put G to work?

 

[will1066]

I think what you're probably thinking is players who's ELC contracts expire, but don't have the necessary professional experience to be a RFA under section 10.2(c). For example, Casey Mittlestadt ELC signing age was 18-21 but he won't have 3 professional seasons under his belt when his contract expires next season. So if he's not extended before June 30, he'll be unsigned, but rights owned by Buffalo, and not a RFA. He won't be eligible for arbitration or to receive an offer sheet. DeAngelo and Lemieux both had enough professional seasons to become RFAs, though.

Great post.

 

[bbny]

If I ran a team with cap space and a rebuilding roster I'd go ahead and offer sheet both. A 2nd rounder for DeAngelo and a 3rd rounder for Lemieux. But thankfully every GM in this league seems to be allergic to taking risks.

From a Rangers perspective, I'd be okay signing/matching on one of them and taking the pick for the other. I like both players, but you can't keep everyone.

 

[Thirty One]

Great post.

Except for the spelling error. GOD DANGIT, THIRTY ONE.

 

[GordonGecko]

Habs are going to steal Lemieux, just watch

 

[nyr2k2]

Except for the spelling error. GOD DANGIT, THIRTY ONE.

Who's even going to notice?

 

[kovazub94]

Except for the spelling error. GOD DANGIT, THIRTY ONE.

Damn, I thought the spelling error was sarcastic.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers have Girardi on the books for 4 more years. I thought it was 3 for some reason. Bought him out 2 years ago. 3 years remaining on the contract. Twice the term. 6 years. 4 years remaining.

Brooks wrote the Rangers may hire a developmental D.

The Rangers have hired Tuomo Ruutu as their European-based development coach. Jed Ortmeyer and Tanner Glass will be based in North America. The club may hire a defenseman as a fourth development coach. Ruutu played 12 seasons in the NHL for the Blackhawks, Hurricanes and Devils.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/25/kaapo-kakko-gives-first-impression-on-life-as-a-ranger/

If Girardi ends up retiring, the Rangers should look at hiring him as a development coach for their D.

He travels to Wisconsin to spend some with Miller. Mathew Robertson. Zac Jones. Hunter Skinner. Nico Gross. Travel to Sweden to see those players. Nils Lundkvist. Jacob Ragnarsson. Calle Sjalin.

The Rangers still haven't announced the Ruutu and Glass hires.

 

[TheTakedown]

Well we certainly can’t afford the extra $38k than what we had thought the QOs were. Guess we have to let them go.

Toss in a sweetener 6th rounder too. who the f*** is taking them at those insane cap hits

 

[will1066]

The Rangers have Girardi on the books for 4 more years. I thought it was 3 for some reason. Bought him out 2 years ago. 3 years remaining on the contract. Twice the term. 6 years. 4 years remaining.

Brooks wrote the Rangers may hire a developmental D.



https://nypost.com/2019/06/25/kaapo-kakko-gives-first-impression-on-life-as-a-ranger/

If Girardi ends up retiring, the Rangers should look at hiring him as a development coach for their D.

He travels to Wisconsin to spend some with Miller. Mathew Robertson. Zac Jones. Hunter Skinner. Nico Gross. Travel to Sweden to see those players. Nils Lundkvist. Jacob Ragnarsson. Calle Sjalin.

The Rangers still haven't announced the Ruutu and Glass hires.

So Girardi would theoretically get two paychecks from the team.