Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXIII:Stepping up next? A Top Ten pick???

[NickyFotiu]

Can't get Oscar back. At least not for a while.

 

[FJB]

So I know lots of people are upset about yesterday and I'm staying neutral since I don't know anything about the prospects, but are any of the draft picks from the last 1-3 years NHL ready? If so, any of them top 6 or top pairing d-men potential for this NHL season?

 

[SML]

I'm with you on Thornton, actually. If we can get him for two years at $4 mil, make him our third line Center, absolutely. Perfect stopgap for two years while we rebuild on the fly.

There are so many moving pieces right now, a lot can happen. If Zibby, Kreider, Hayes, Miller and Buch all step up (some more than others), if Skjei and Deangelo kill it on D, and Hank has a bounce back year, man...there could be worse things than having Thornton on that third line.

But I could also see us taking major steps back and being a borderline playoff team or miss. Everything is in play right now.

Not for nothing, Sam Gagner scored the same amount of points as old Joe at 1/10th the price and 5 minutes less ice per night.. If Thornton would leave his boys when he has a equal shot of winning there to come here, I don't want him. This is not the time to get stupid with the check book.

 

[SML]

Can't get Oscar back. At least not for a while.

I know they couldn't trade players back. I don't see how they can prohibit a guy from signing as a free agent in a place he never asked to leave.

 

[NYR94]

I didn't want to start a whole thread on this, but can we just offer sheet Oscar Lindberg? He wouldn't make a ton and the way McPhee is stockpiling futures, he may just take the 2nd or 3rd rounder we'd have to give up. Would it be worth it? Is there a rule against doing that die to the expansion draft?

Would he want to come back to the Rangers anyway if Vegas gives him more opportunity to play a big role?

“Oscar loves New York and he loves winning, but he also loves ice time,†Claude Lemieux, Lindberg’s agent, told The Post. “He’s going to have a great opportunity to play major minutes and a major role in Vegas.â€

http://nypost.com/2017/06/21/oscar-lindberg-is-the-price-rangers-pay-to-vegas/

Is his agent the Claude Lemieux? lol

 

[Trxjw]

If they ever trade McDonagh, Zucc, Kreider, or anyone of that ilk, I really hope it just comes out of the blue. That way nobody spends weeks getting hyped up for what ends up being less of a return than imagined.

 

[Raspewtin]

If they ever trade McDonagh, Zucc, Kreider, or anyone of that ilk, I really hope it just comes out of the blue. That way nobody spends weeks getting hyped up for what ends up being less of a return than imagined.

this please.

 

[KingDeathMetal]

Not for nothing, Sam Gagner scored the same amount of points as old Joe at 1/10th the price and 5 minutes less ice per night.. If Thornton would leave his boys when he has a equal shot of winning there to come here, I don't want him. This is not the time to get stupid with the check book.

Sam Gagner will also command more term and possibly a higher salary. Meanwhile, his production and injury history leaves cause for concern. You might be getting the player from last year, or you might get the Gagne that no team wanted until CBJ took a flier on him.

If you can get Thornton at what Staal signed for, 3 years at $3.5m, or 2 years at $4m, it's not bad considering that he'll give you anywhere from 40-60 points as a third line center, wins faceoffs, is a possession monster and one of the best defensive Cs in the league. Plus fills a leadership void left by Stepan.

Now if Thornton wants $5m plus and guaranteed first line minutes, forget it. For what he could give on the 3rd line for just a couple of years, hell yeah I'm in at the right price.

 

[nyr2k2]

Would he want to come back to the Rangers anyway if Vegas gives him more opportunity to play a big role?



http://nypost.com/2017/06/21/oscar-lindberg-is-the-price-rangers-pay-to-vegas/

Is his agent the Claude Lemieux? lol

Yep it is that Claude Lemieux. He's an agent now with 4Sports.

 

[Savant]

Okay Phil Jackson

If you cannot see the difference between moving Porzingus and McDonagh, then I cannot bother trying to explain it to you.

 

[Savant]

So I know lots of people are upset about yesterday and I'm staying neutral since I don't know anything about the prospects, but are any of the draft picks from the last 1-3 years NHL ready? If so, any of them top 6 or top pairing d-men potential for this NHL season?

Best guess. Andersson 1-2 years. Chytil 2-3 years. Don't know enough about anyone else.

I wrote this in another thread but Andersson, Chytil, Reedy and Sjalin would have gotten an A grade from me, and it was in their laps to happen. Now I probably grade draft C+ maybe a B- for wasting too many picks in overagers.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Anyone else suspecting that they intend to run:

Zibanejad
Hayes
Andersson
Nieves

Down the middle? Maybe with a fringe UFA or two to compete for the bottom six role in camp?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Anyone else suspecting that they intend to run:

Zibanejad
Hayes
Andersson
Nieves

Down the middle? Maybe with a fringe UFA or two to compete for the bottom six role in camp?

Id be surprised. What if Zib or Hayes gets injured? JT could also play center but I think we will look for another center.

 

[Savant]

Anyone else suspecting that they intend to run:

Zibanejad
Hayes
Andersson
Nieves

Down the middle? Maybe with a fringe UFA or two to compete for the bottom six role in camp?

I don't think Andersson is ready. I think it's much more likely they sign at least one free agent and/or try Miller there again.

 

[TheBPA]

Best guess. Andersson 1-2 years. Chytil 2-3 years. Don't know enough about anyone else.

I wrote this in another thread but Andersson, Chytil, Reedy and Sjalin would have gotten an A grade from me, and it was in their laps to happen. Now I probably grade draft C+ maybe a B- for wasting too many picks in overagers.

They got 3 of the 4 to get your A grade, just not taking reedy in the 4th, and that's a drop to a C+? Ok...

 

[NYR Viper]

I have to wonder if Gorton would trade McDonagh. 2 years left. Hjalmersson was just traded with 2 years left.

So lie in the sky idea:

Trade McDonagh to Ottawa for Colin White + Chabot + OTT 1st 18 + OTT 1st 19

Sign Shattenkirk AND Smith for no assets in UFA.

 

[JT Kreider]

I have to wonder if Gorton would trade McDonagh. 2 years left. Hjalmersson was just traded with 2 years left.

So lie in the sky idea:

Trade McDonagh to Ottawa for Colin White + Chabot + OTT 1st 18 + OTT 1st 19

Sign Shattenkirk AND Smith for no assets in UFA.

I posted that exact idea an hour ago, except I don't see us getting those two 1sts. I even thought that Chabot and White was pushing it just a bit.

 

[Cassano]

Ottawa should probably look into that. I think they'd be the 2nd best team in the East with McDonagh and could give Pittsburgh another run for their money.

 

[Savant]

I posted that exact idea an hour ago, except I don't see us getting those two 1sts. I even thought that Chabot and White was pushing it just a bit.

Compromise: Chabot, White and one 1st

 

[Savant]

They got 3 of the 4 to get your A grade, just not taking reedy in the 4th, and that's a drop to a C+? Ok...

Very high on Reedy and he had they Boom/Bust factor that the safe picks lacked. Also every other pick was an F grade in my book; bringing the average down.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

how does stay competitive and trade Mac end up in the the same thread. i think fans are just so in the dark that they'll just reach for whatever they can to try and determine which direction this team is going in. JG so far has not shown his cards. with the cap space available id say he's no where near done this off season. I have a feeling he has something up his sleeve.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

The Rangers have Skjei, who at the same age, actually outscored McD, and a slew of guys who can play the left side on the roster/coming up. Also, LHD are also much easier to acquire.

If you can move McD as part of this process and get a ransom in return (which he should fetch), I think you do it, especially after moving Stepan.

 

[cd211]

we moved stepan, bought out Girardi.. minds well move McDonagh and go for the full monte

he would net a TONNN and set us up for the foreseeable future.. even if we take a step back for one year.. we should do it!!

Mackinnon available id love that

Mack and Zib 1-2 punch for years to come

 

[Maximus]

Yeah, we aren't that far off. I do have the player I think we CAN trade for though ... Matt Duchene. Now hear me out, he's been a product of a bad team, discontentment with Joe and the franchise, and if Colorado is content on moving forward with Nathan MacKinnon being their franchise player and taking over the 1C. Matt is still only 26/27 years old and maybe a change of scenery can reinvigorate the old Matt? Everyone knows he only has 2Y left on his deal (like Stepan) and that Nate is the future of that team ... I think this is what would make a world of a difference. What would the cost be? Not sure.

Sorry for delay...was playing in a golf tournament and we had a dinner afterwards.

I like Duchene and don't think that's nuts that he could be had. Would I rather him over a Bonino? Absolutaly. But I think Duchene is going to cost us a Skejei or Vesey type plus a high pick or so. I really don't want to give up assets heading into the year.

I'd rather use the surplus cash we have, fix the back end with a Shatty and Smitty and go out and get a Bonino type. This way we keep our assets and let's see how we do. I'm betting we'd be just fine and we would be very competitive. Hank is a huge key for us this year. I'm of the belief as I've said a few times, he's got a chip on his shoulder and he's going to want to prove his detractors wrong that he's on the way down. I expect a steller season from Hank and with an improved defense in front of him, I don't think it's a stretch at all to think Hank will be the Hank of old.

 

[Lone Ranger]

That was his third full year. He's an absolute drag on his linemates and needs to be carried around. A lot of his success came from Grabner and Miller doing the heavy lifting. Don't get me wrong, I love his blend of size and skill, but the dude is slow both physically and mentally. He overthinks plays with the puck too much. I won't even go into his playoff ineptitude.

Totally agree, Hayes may be the Forest Gump of the NHL.