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Black Tank said:
Great ****ing post. THESE are the golden days of this franchise and I get the feeling some of the posters are spoiled little children who want to blow it all up because they have never lived through or have already forgotten the days when we used to be like Arizona, the Devils, Buffalo, Col, etc hoping and begging to make the 8th seed with the season over before the Christmas turkey is out of the ****ing oven.

Let's keep it rolling with youth and speed and not some 38 year old skating-in-sand legend ...
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Glad you liked the post. I don't think the young ones in here are "spoiled" so much as they take things for granted a bit more than some of us oldies like me who have been thru it all since the early 70's. I think us older Ranger fans appreciate what the Rangers have done the past decade making all these long playoff runs and never having a truly bad year even with no Cup more so than some of the younger Ranger fans.

It's just the way it is. We are all in this together and I never begrudge any Ranger fan no matter how old they are to have a Cup or bust mentality. I personally do not as I can enjoy a competitive season like last year was for us even tho we didn't win a Cup. I was entertained. Our team won a round we weren't "supposed to win" vs Montreal yet we lost a round to a team we all thought we could win. It was a fun year. I really like most of our players and I think there is hope for the future.

If we all really think about it, that really is what we all want....a competitive team that has a chance to win a Cup and not be like Colorodo was like last year and likely this year as well. That would be horrible and there have been a few years back in the mid 70's and a few years in 80's when we were terribad.

We should all aprpreciate what we got going with this regime led by Gorton leading us.
 
Tawnos said:
By the way, signing Thornton might be the worst idea I've ever heard on this board. That's saying something.
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It may not be THE worst but it's up there. I said it last night when I first heard the suggestion of Thornton.

I respect and love the player he has become and he's probably a lock hall of famer. But at this point for us to pay a 37 year old slow ass center coming off not just a torn ACL but a torn MCL as well who would be commanding 4-5 million per year minimum for multiple years , I don't care if he'd be ready for camp, it would be a recipe for disaster.

Listen, I know my suggestion of Bonino isn't very sexy but he'd be effective and he wouldn't cost a fortune. Maybe when some of y'all come the realization that no one is dealing us Getzlaf or Malkin or any other top tier stud 1A center, a Bonino might not be such a horrible move afterall to those of y'all who right now can't stand the move. I'm telling you, Bonino on the Rangers would be a heck of alot more effective than having a 37 year old Joe Thornton.
 
Berserk said:
I'm only moving McD for a center of MacKinnon's ilk. Anything else not worth it.
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The problem is MacKinnon is really the only player of his ilk. All the other elite young centers have already broken out and surpassed McDonagh in value.

Off the top of my head McDavid, Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel, Barkov, Scheifele are the elite young centers in the NHL. We aren't getting any of them for McDonagh.

MacKinnon has yet to fully break out, but it would make zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade for McDonagh right now.

Our best bet is a highly touted player who has yet to make a name for himself in the NHL. Like Colin White from Ottawa.
 
JT Kreider said:
The problem is MacKinnon is really the only player of his ilk. All the other elite young centers have already broken out and surpassed McDonagh in value.

Off the top of my head McDavid, Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel, Barkov, Scheifele are the elite young centers in the NHL. We aren't getting any of them for McDonagh.

MacKinnon has yet to fully break out, but it would make zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade for McDonagh right now.
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Isn't MacKinnon the oldest of all those listed???

What is he never "breaks out"
 
JT Kreider said:
The problem is MacKinnon is really the only player of his ilk. All the other elite young centers have already broken out and surpassed McDonagh in value.

Off the top of my head McDavid, Draisaitl, Matthews, Eichel, Barkov, Scheifele are the elite young centers in the NHL. We aren't getting any of them for McDonagh.

MacKinnon has yet to fully break out, but it would make zero sense for a rebuilding team to trade for McDonagh right now.
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It's a shame McDonagh is too good for Duchene.
 
Capt McDonut said:
Isn't MacKinnon the oldest of all those listed???

What is he never "breaks out"
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There is a reason he move available than all of those as well.

I wouldn't touch Galchenyuk. I might look at Reinhart but I would want Buffalo to add.

Buffalo may want to get quicker into contention to make Eichel happy, and probably have the worst LHD depth in the league.

Reinhart + 2018 1st for McDonagh I consider.
 
Maximus said:
It may not be THE worst but it's up there. I said it last night when I first heard the suggestion of Thornton.

I respect and love the player he has become and he's probably a lock hall of famer. But at this point for us to pay a 37 year old slow ass center coming off not just a torn ACL but a torn MCL as well who would be commanding 4-5 million per year minimum for multiple years , I don't care if he'd be ready for camp, it would be a recipe for disaster.

Listen, I know my suggestion of Bonino isn't very sexy but he'd be effective and he wouldn't cost a fortune. Maybe when some of y'all come the realization that no one is dealing us Getzlaf or Malkin or any other top tier stud 1A center, a Bonino might not be such a horrible move afterall to those of y'all who right now can't stand the move. I'm telling you, Bonino on the Rangers would be a heck of alot more effective than having a 37 year old Joe Thornton.
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How much $ do you think Bonino gets on the open market? I would love Bonino but someone is going to offer stupid money.
 
dethomas07 said:
we moved stepan, bought out Girardi.. minds well move McDonagh and go for the full monte

he would net a TONNN and set us up for the foreseeable future.. even if we take a step back for one year.. we should do it!!

Mackinnon available id love that

Mack and Zib 1-2 punch for years to come
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Highly doubt Avs trade Mackinnon for a 28 year old.

Should have tried to do a deal with Dallas for 3rd overall and Honka since they are in a win now mode.

Mcdonagh+21st for 3rd(Heiskanen) and Honka.
 
Savant said:
How much $ do you think Bonino gets on the open market? I would love Bonino but someone is going to offer stupid money.
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He is going to be overpaid, i dont want him at all. Nothing special 3rd line center who plays on a powerhouse team.
 
Why the **** would we sign Thornton and trade assets for Kovalchuk if we aren't going to sign Shattenkirk? On top of that we have to trade Kreider or Miller for a "top-pairing" defenseman.Great idea Larry.
 
Just to offer another perspective with some of the doom and gloom, Rangers top 5 in goals last year and without a single trade or FA signing they could look like this

Kreider Zib Buch
Zucc Miller Nash
Vesey Hayes Grabner (Tkachyov!?!?)
Puempel Nieves Fast

Now obviously you downgrade in 2way play, same career faceoff % (although it might be skewed since Step has waaayyy more) obviously would be an adjustment shifting back to center for Miller. Honestly I still think the D is more important to address with this fwd group
 
alkurtz said:
I think there is another factor here that has not been discussed. Over the next few months Crosby will turn 30, Malkin 31, and Ovi 32. It is logical to assume that their skills will soon begin to diminish; in the case of Ovi, it already might be happening. Sid is always one concussion from having his career ended prematurely.

It very well may be that the peak of the Crosby/Ovi era is right now. I know many have expressed doubts about our ability to compete with the Pens over the next few years, and they very well may be correct. But the landscape of the league may very well look different 2 or 3 years from now: the 900 lb gorilla in the room may be gone.

Whether any of the seeming rising powers in the league, Edmonton, Toronto, etc., will continue to grow is unknown.

The question is: what should our philosophy be for preparing for this new landscape? Some say to tank: but tanking is not a guarantee of success, in particular with the the way the lottery works. Plenty of teams have had endless runs of top 10 picks but are still in what seem like decades long periods of mediocrity. For those of us who have lived through long stretches of mediocrity I have this warning: as a fan it is depressing and soul-draining.

I also don't think we should be spending big money on UFAs in an attempt to remain an elite team. I don't believe any one or two players will elevate us to that level, at least in the short run.

Retooling on the fly is, for me, the best choice. it allows us to remain flexible in spending, accumulate assets, remain competitive, plan for the future, and take advantage of any situations that might come our way. The best thing about the last few days? We had a bare cupboard of prospects. Now we have 2 first round centers to watch grow and think about.

As is the case with Maximus: I am a Ranger fan of long, long standing: almost 60 years. I have seen one Cup, one of the highlights of my life, and certainly want to see more. But I am not a Cup or bust fan either. I've learned to take my happiness where it comes and these last 12 years have been just wonderful: the equal to the Francis era when I was a young fan sitting in the blueseats with a season ticket. 82 games is a long season: I want my team to be competitive, I want them to have interesting players to think about and watch. I can't define happiness with winning the Cup and the Cup only. Even though I have gone home disappointed year after year, the Rangers have enriched my life in so many ways. I'd rather retool, stay competitive (at this juncture the team looks like a bubble team to me), accumulate some assets, and prepare for a Sid-less, Ovi-less NHL (or one where they are still productive but not at the level they have been): an NHL that may be right around the corner. "Retooling on the fly" can be interesting as well as a valid philosophy. I'm in to see how it goes.
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Wow Al...awesome post. I feel as if you and I might be brothers from another mother as you are saying exactly what I've been saying for the past year or so. We all should appreciate what we have here...it's a really really good thing to be competitive and make the playoffs ever year. All you have to do is look the Brooklyn Bridge to what the Islanders have gone thru since their last Cup in '84....it's got boe be brutal.

In all seriousness would any of my Ranger brothers in in here seriously take back our one Cup we won in '94 and instead we could have the Islanders 4 Cups in a row back in the early 80s, if we knew beforehand that after 1984, that my team would never make it back to a Cup final let alone win one. And go almost 30 years withought even winning a round in the playoffs?

The Rangers on the other hand since the Islanders last Cup in '83 other than 10 years in the last 34, we have been in the playoffs 24 times. We have made it to 5 Conference finals and 2 Cup finals having won one of them. Also in the 24 times we have made the playoff since the Islanders last Cup, we have won a round in the playoffs, 13 of those times, we won at least one round.

The point of what I'm trying to make is even with the lack of Cups like Al has stated here and what I've been saying for over a year, it's a heck of alot of fun being a Ranger fan and we should never ever ever take it for granted the kind of teams we keep trotting out there year after year after year. Take a look at the Islanders and now you can see why they are so jealous of us. Cause even with their 4 Cups, pretty much every year since, they have had to deal with a team that either hasn't made the playoffs at all and even if it did, it lose in the first round. Our team? Total opposite.

We need to appreciate what we got here folks. Thanks again Al for your post...it was spot on brother....I think most peeps like you and I who have been thru all the good and bad times know we have something special going on here no matter all the *****ing and complaining by some...:)
 
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Not sure how anyone else feels, but I for one am glad that Dallas did not want to trade the 3rd overall

I am not that high on Makar that I would have given up 2 first rounders for him
 
Reinhart, Nylander/2018 first
Mackinnon
RNH & pujujarvi

These I would definitely doo.. doubt we do it tho which is a shame..but if we keep him shatty and mcd would be dynamic

Brooks is shot, rangers are signing shatty or smith if not both
 
dethomas07 said:
Reinhart, Nylander/2018 first
Mackinnon
RNH & pujujarvi

These I would definitely doo.. doubt we do it tho which is a shame

Brooks is shot, rangers are signing shatty or smith if not both
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I think it will be one or the other

If they are choosing one, it should be Shattenkirk
 
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