NYR Viper
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If Vegas receives a few 1st rounders and wants to flip a couple along with Dumba for Stepan, I'd be game. Say Anaheim + NYI 1st's?
Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)
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NYR Viper
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Same deal in Arizona though, the Rangers are okay with a left handed center as they have Zib and Arizona is specifically looking for a RH C
E-Train
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Dallas has Anaheim's 1st. Would have to be CLB 1st or whatever Anaheim is sending them pick-wise.
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I've seen Hickey play with BU a bit and he reminds me of Brandon Smith. Not that great offensively, but he's a guy who clears the zone in a "modern way" so to speak. LH shot but not elite. Could be a good 3rd pair option once we find a way to get rid of Staal.
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Fischer is a very good forward prospect, with an all-round good game. He still needs a year or two before he can be a quality player for the Rangers, but his first season in the AHL looked very promising.
Fischer is Stepan 2.0 in many ways, even the non-hockey aspect. 2nd round pick, underrated by many at the time. He could be a good piece if they don't want to trade Dvorak, but in my opinion, Dvorak is the better player long-term.
It seems like George McPhee has created a situation were he is auctioning all unprotected players to all GMs. What a situation that is.
He will value what is best for Vegas: (i) Pick a player from a team. (ii) Make a trade with a player he can pick from a team. Some seem to think that the team having left a player unprotected has a special position, but that is of course not the case (at least if the reports and quotes from GMGM are true). Why should he take something from Anaheim to not pick Manson if he could get more from say Boston or Philly or NYR? Don't make any sense.
The auction reportedly starts or have started today. Further to how special this situation is -- if it indeed is correct that GMGM is holding everything open -- imagine how the talks will go today. GMGM cannot just talk trades non-stop with 30 GMs in the NHL. You must arrange a call. Lets say Gorton want Manson. GMGM knows this. He needs to sit down and consider who he can get from NYR. How he values Manson. Rehersh their viewpoint. Whatever. Review contracts. If it takes 20 minutes to prepare for and set up a 10 minute chat with a GM you have done well. There is easily 10-15 minutes, lets say 20 minutes, to review the result of the discussion internally. A chat of 10 minutes even under extreme time pressure should easily take up around 50 minutes. But lets say everyone is extremely well prepared, you aren't executing that call under 30 minutes. One little chat with all GMs take 15 hours in other words. There is more or less zero room to go back and forth with any offers.
How is GMGM executing this auction? Closed envelop offers?..
He will value what is best for Vegas: (i) Pick a player from a team. (ii) Make a trade with a player he can pick from a team. Some seem to think that the team having left a player unprotected has a special position, but that is of course not the case (at least if the reports and quotes from GMGM are true). Why should he take something from Anaheim to not pick Manson if he could get more from say Boston or Philly or NYR? Don't make any sense.
The auction reportedly starts or have started today. Further to how special this situation is -- if it indeed is correct that GMGM is holding everything open -- imagine how the talks will go today. GMGM cannot just talk trades non-stop with 30 GMs in the NHL. You must arrange a call. Lets say Gorton want Manson. GMGM knows this. He needs to sit down and consider who he can get from NYR. How he values Manson. Rehersh their viewpoint. Whatever. Review contracts. If it takes 20 minutes to prepare for and set up a 10 minute chat with a GM you have done well. There is easily 10-15 minutes, lets say 20 minutes, to review the result of the discussion internally. A chat of 10 minutes even under extreme time pressure should easily take up around 50 minutes. But lets say everyone is extremely well prepared, you aren't executing that call under 30 minutes. One little chat with all GMs take 15 hours in other words. There is more or less zero room to go back and forth with any offers.
How is GMGM executing this auction? Closed envelop offers?..
NYR Viper
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Good point
Here's a hypothetical:
If, as rumored, Vegas takes Marchessault from Florida that leaves Florida with too many RD's. Could the Rangers trade Staal to Florida and in return take Demers and Bjugstad? More money and cap coming back but the Rangers can buy out Bjugstad if desired. I would probably give him a year to see if he can round himself back into form. From my understanding the Rangers liked him in his draft year.
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I would ABSOLUTELY do this.
Hasn't Bob been saying to keep an eye on NYR-FLA, specifically mentioning Staal to FLA?
I would hope that is the case, but I'm trying to be rational about it as well. I don't think Gorton is as concerned about the immediate impact of players either, but I'd bet he'd prefer guys who are more proven.
If I had to guess what Gorton has on the table right now, I think it's probably Strome and #7, or Dvorak and #23, with a third piece involved in each option. Chayka is probably saying Strome, #23, and that third piece.
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We want a RD, that is why we are considering moving Stepan and what I have said all along. If you look 2-3 years down the line -- we would be in much better shape if Gorton can deal Stepan today for a good younger RD. There is zero purpose with moving him to beef up the prospect board a bit or get a pick or whatever. If its not a RD, I am sure it would take a very very good deal -- like Zibs for Brass -- to get Gorton to make a move.
Can Gorton a player offered by ARI and swing it for that RD? There are not many options out there. We have mentioned like a handful at this place (Trouba, Stecher, the guys in Anaheim, Honka and so forth), there are some guys around the league -- or even in the pipe outside the league -- that management might really like. We don't know all players extremely well at this place. Gorton's list of targets could be longer than ours.
Can Gorton a player offered by ARI and swing it for that RD? There are not many options out there. We have mentioned like a handful at this place (Trouba, Stecher, the guys in Anaheim, Honka and so forth), there are some guys around the league -- or even in the pipe outside the league -- that management might really like. We don't know all players extremely well at this place. Gorton's list of targets could be longer than ours.
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I'd do the deal with FLA just to get rid of Staal. Demers and Bjugstad are bonuses. I agree, give Bjugstad a year to try and bounce back.
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The value on here is very, very far off.
Staal has negative value. He is unmovable without retaining money, or adding assets to him. On the other side, Demers is a legitimate d-man, on a friendly deal. Florida isn't going to trade Bjugstad when his value is at an all-time low.
LaffyTaffy
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Im secretly hoping we trade Stepan for a high return from another team. Screw Arizona. It would be better for everyone. Theyd be happy they didnt break the bank and we would be happy with our return. I also question the idea of having Coyotes on the Rangers, i think the whole mentality of the organization is screwed up and will be detrimental to our lockerroom. Bunch of kids poorly developed and used to losing. Not a good look. Would rather sell Steps to the highest bidder that hasnt been a losing team for all of eternity.
Right, but as of right now, the Yotes have two centers under contract for next season with NHL experience. Dvorak and Bolland. Only one of them is playing next year. If they deal Dvorak, then they're stuck in the same spot. At least if they keep Dvorak, they can play him behind Stepan. That's really the perfect outcome for them.
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The Hickey trade from Arizona's perspective is puzzling as he doesn't need to sign there. That has Rangers written all over it as far as that 3rd piece.
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Not sure Staal would waive, but it could play into a deal with Arizona as well. If they got Strome and wanted to send him to the AHL, Bjugstad could center the 3rd line -- assuming they lose Lindberg in the draft -- and if he rebounds, the Rangers have a great problem on their hands. If he doesn't, he's a reasonable buyout and bullet sponge until Strome is ready. He can also roll out to the wing.
The problem is Bjugstad was really, really bad last year and I don't see Staal having much value at all.
From my POV, Ryan McDonagh for Honka and the 3rd would be a deal I would do. If we got an opening at LD -- I would definitely not be against taking Erik Brännström with the 3rd or preferbly trade down a bit to take him. The kid has elite offensive abilities, would be a really good pick. With Honka and Brännström we would get a dimension offensively that we haven't had since Leetch and Zubov. Wouldn't be against keeping Stepan if we could get that type of fire power from the blueline.
Honka is ready to be a very good NHL player from October this year. Br�nnstr�m might also be ready for a bit smaller role right away. Played in the SHL last season. Realistically a year away.
This is Honka in a nutshell, he played like this all the time he got the puck in the WCHs:
This is Brännström in a nut shell, his highlights from -- one -- game against Canada in the U18 WCHs, he is even a bit conservative in this game, normally he just goes every time he gets the puck:
Honka is ready to be a very good NHL player from October this year. Br�nnstr�m might also be ready for a bit smaller role right away. Played in the SHL last season. Realistically a year away.
This is Honka in a nutshell, he played like this all the time he got the puck in the WCHs:
This is Brännström in a nut shell, his highlights from -- one -- game against Canada in the U18 WCHs, he is even a bit conservative in this game, normally he just goes every time he gets the puck:
NYR Viper
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I'm not 100% sure the Panthers view Demers as others do. Their analytics guys aren't in control anymore. They took a pretty bad step backwards last year after spending big $$ on Yandle and Demers and they have Pysyk and Petrovic who are both RD's. They left him specifically available
I agree with this 100%. I doubt Dvorak is the guy. Domi...
If Dvorak is unattainable, I'd say it's a certainty that Domi is as well. Then again, maybe both teams are looking for a culture change and Gorton is going to send Kreider and Stepan to Arizona for a bunch of kids.
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Change is good.
Normally I'd give you a little grief for stating this as fact and not your opinion, but I happen to strongly agree.
****, I'd trade Staal with ≤ $2MM retained for Bjugstad straight up.
I don't know what got into him last year, but I've been a fan of Bjugstad's since he came into the league, and he's still young. Trade for him, give him a chance to rebound – and if he doesn't you can still buy him out next summer at the 1/3 rate, rather than the 2/3.
(And imagine if you could add Demers as well...?)
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Yes. Their analytics guys aren't in control anymore, and they're going to lose JAM for nothing. Not a great start for Tallon's re-emergence
(not really dying to have an analytics FO conversation right now, so this is mostly tongue in cheek and should be ignored).They took a step back last year because Bjugstad fell off the map, and Huberdeau was injured for over half the season. Not to mention Ekblad hasn't taken the next step because he keeps getting concussions
It's not like I'm against a Staal for Demers swap, but I don't think it's rooted in reality.
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