Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)

[SnowFort]

Seriously. Like their arguing against a deal will make it not happen. This thread is for speculation, right?

This is exactly why I always get annoyed when people come here to "lecture" us. We speculate what would make our team as good as possible, just as the other teams do.

 

[E-Train]

This is exactly why I always get annoyed when people come here to "lecture" us. We speculate what would make our team as good as possible, just as the other teams do.

Definitely. This thing with Stepan is particularly annoying.

 

[Blueblood9]

I am starting to wonder if Gorton and Chayka have a couple of deals in place already as option A and Option B. If Lindberg is taken, Gorton leans toward the package with the center. If he isn't, he may lean towards the winger. I'm not saying the rest of those packages are identical but wouldn't that be intriguing? Hickey may have been acquired as an added piece for this specific deal as ARI may not have a defensive prospect that truly interested Greeley and Gorton.

Say one deal is centered around Domi. The other maybe Strome?

It seems like Chayka's comments hinted at specifically Stepan. There aren't any other RH centers available and he was shy about discussing that the Smith deal wasn't made in a vacuum. He also acquired a junior defenseman who has shown a possible unwillingness to sign with his hometown team. Does he think he has a better shot getting a young Canadian kid to sign in Arizona rather than going UFA? That's real odd.

If Chayka was playing the game wouldn't you think he would have been more vague in his interview? Or acquired another player in lieu of Hickey.

To add to that maybe they're waiting to see if raanta gets selected.

Example 1 fast selected
Domi+7oa+crouse+23
For
Step+raanta+21

Ex 2 Lindbergh selected
Same as above swap out domo for dorks

Ex 3 raanta selected
Domi/dvorak+7oa+crouse/duke/deangelo
For
Step

 

[Boruto]

Zib + 2nd was already a rip off but I'd reckon if rumors had circulated before the trade announcement, people would be asking for Zib + 1st + 3rd pairing defenseman because of Brass's playoffs pedigree and his value contract.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

If Stepan is dealt, it needs to be in a deal that makes the team better.

And honestly, I don't see how Arizona has any leverage in this deal at all. They can't get free agents to sign there, and acquiring a 1C with term isn't going to be cheap.

Brooks said as much in a recent article: the Rangers have no incentive to deal Stepan for anything other than good value. Trash pieces from Arizona won't get it done, especially when they have good, young pieces that they could easily part with without hurting their rebuild.

As fans, it's easy to overvalue your own player while undervaluing what you want to acquire, but it's all used car salesman type BS. None of the pieces that we've talked about coming back from Arizona are sure things, and the Rangers need to get multiple high-quality pieces to offset the risk they take in getting futures.

Stepan instantly becomes Arizona's best C, and he can take tough matchups (just like he's done his entire career) so that their young guns done have to get thrown in the deep end. Worst case scenario is that Stepan stays here, which I'm more than okay with.

 

[TheTakedown]

I'd take Dvorak over Strome

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

If Stepan is dealt, it needs to be in a deal that makes the team better.

And honestly, I don't see how Arizona has any leverage in this deal at all. They can't get free agents to sign there, and acquiring a 1C with term isn't going to be cheap.

Brooks said as much in a recent article: the Rangers have no incentive to deal Stepan for anything other than good value. Trash pieces from Arizona won't get it done, especially when they have good, young pieces that they could easily part with without hurting their rebuild.

As fans, it's easy to overvalue your own player while undervaluing what you want to acquire, but it's all used car salesman type BS. None of the pieces that we've talked about coming back from Arizona are sure things, and the Rangers need to get multiple high-quality pieces to offset the risk they take in getting futures.

Stepan instantly becomes Arizona's best C, and he can take tough matchups (just like he's done his entire career) so that their young guns done have to get thrown in the deep end. Worst case scenario is that Stepan stays here, which I'm more than okay with.

All of this, and especially the bolded part.

And I'm confident that this represents Gorton's mindset as well.

 

[silverfish]

If we get Strome, can we also make moves for DeBrincat?

 

[Fitzy]

Ha. Phone corrected RB to robot.

Classic.

Scouts must really like what they have seen of Makar in person if he is rising that high. Might be the highest pick ever from a nontraditional developmental league.

For NYR, I don't see this as the draft to trade for a high pick. Better odds on getting the right sleeper in the mid first ala Cherepanov.

 

[Trxjw]

If we get Strome, can we also make moves for DeBrincat?

Clear Stepan's contract to help Chicago out of their situation and start a full on youth movement?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

So ready for July 1st to be here

 

[RangerBoy]

If Stepan is dealt, it needs to be in a deal that makes the team better.

And honestly, I don't see how Arizona has any leverage in this deal at all. They can't get free agents to sign there, and acquiring a 1C with term isn't going to be cheap.

Brooks said as much in a recent article: the Rangers have no incentive to deal Stepan for anything other than good value. Trash pieces from Arizona won't get it done, especially when they have good, young pieces that they could easily part with without hurting their rebuild.

As fans, it's easy to overvalue your own player while undervaluing what you want to acquire, but it's all used car salesman type BS. None of the pieces that we've talked about coming back from Arizona are sure things, and the Rangers need to get multiple high-quality pieces to offset the risk they take in getting futures.

Stepan instantly becomes Arizona's best C, and he can take tough matchups (just like he's done his entire career) so that their young guns done have to get thrown in the deep end. Worst case scenario is that Stepan stays here, which I'm more than okay with.

Or Stepan goes to a different team. The Rangers need to make significant changes.

 

[Beer League Sniper]

No one is going to pay you a McDonagh for Gomez anymore nowadays.

Man, I'm tired of this deal always being brought up. The deal only looks terrible in hindsight.

Gomez had just come off a season where, while his production was down, he was still the leading scorer on a pretty mediocre team.

The Habs had soured on McDonagh, as he was showing no signs of developing a two-way game. His offense had stagnated.

Chris Higgins had just come off of a terrible season and there were rumblings about substance abuse problems and coming into camp out of shape.

There were a few other crap pieces swapped in the deal as well, but nothing else of note.

So, the deal was basically a 1C for a (perceived) struggling prospect and reclamation project. You had fans on both sides calling it a fleecing. Ranger fans were happy to get something decent back while getting rid of Gomez's huge contract, and Habs fans were happy to get a 1C for a problem child and an iffy prospect. Gomez fell off a cliff after a year in Montreal and McDonagh became a stud, but all of that happened well after the trade was finalized.

 

[RangerBoy]

So ready for July 1st to be here

Once the roster freeze is over,hopefully some movement will begin. Thursday at 11am.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Man, I'm tired of this deal always being brought up. The deal only looks terrible in hindsight.

Gomez had just come off a season where, while his production was down, he was still the leading scorer on a pretty mediocre team.

The Habs had soured on McDonagh, as he was showing no signs of developing a two-way game. His offense had stagnated.

Chris Higgins had just come off of a terrible season and there were rumblings about substance abuse problems and coming into camp out of shape.

There were a few other crap pieces swapped in the deal as well, but nothing else of note.

So, the deal was basically a 1C for a (perceived) struggling prospect and reclamation project. You had fans on both sides calling it a fleecing. Ranger fans were happy to get something decent back in getting rid of Gomez's huge contract, and Habs fans were happy to get a 1C for a problem child and an iffy prospect. Gomez fell off a cliff after a year in Montreal and McDonagh became a stud, but all of that happened well after the trade was finalized.

You're forgetting about the cap savings the Rangers got in that deal. It was significant.

 

[Fitzy]

This seems as good a time as any to bring up that I am strongly opposed to signing Shattenkirk for anything more than a major discount.

Similar sentiment to Stamkos and Yandle last year.

I'm also really put off that Smith, who most of the DRW fans wanted scratched, is looking at a big long contract after a good quarter of a season.

We should be developing young and cost controlled defensemen right now, or we'll regret it when McDonagh and Skjei are up for contract. More Bereglazov and Graves, less Shattenkirk and Smith.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Arizona are acting as if the Coyotes are doing the Rangers a favor by taking Stepan off their hands. The reality is that they are not the only trade partner at the table. Advantage, Gorton.

 

[silverfish]

Clear Stepan's contract to help Chicago out of their situation and start a full on youth movement?

Stepan to ARI for a package including Strome.

Miller to CHI for Hossa and DeBrincat & 2nd round pick.

Oh yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Watch out, bern, you've got some competition

 

[Beer League Sniper]

You're forgetting about the cap savings the Rangers got in that deal. It was significant.

It's right there in my post if you read the entire thing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Arizona are acting as if the Coyotes are doing the Rangers a favor by taking Stepan off their hands. The reality is that they are not the only trade partner at the table. Advantage, Gorton.

Well their fans...


Their GM really wants the player who GMJG doesn't have to move. Clearly Chaka Khan holds all the cards and Stepan is going to go for a package headlined by Crouse and the 23rd pick.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Man, I'm tired of this deal always being brought up. The deal only looks terrible in hindsight.

Gomez had just come off a season where, while his production was down, he was still the leading scorer on a pretty mediocre team.

The Habs had soured on McDonagh, as he was showing no signs of developing a two-way game. His offense had stagnated.

Chris Higgins had just come off of a terrible season and there were rumblings about substance abuse problems and coming into camp out of shape.

There were a few other crap pieces swapped in the deal as well, but nothing else of note.

So, the deal was basically a 1C for a (perceived) struggling prospect and reclamation project. You had fans on both sides calling it a fleecing. Ranger fans were happy to get something decent back while getting rid of Gomez's huge contract, and Habs fans were happy to get a 1C for a problem child and an iffy prospect. Gomez fell off a cliff after a year in Montreal and McDonagh became a stud, but all of that happened well after the trade was finalized.

But remember what HF conventional wisdom was leading up that deal. The Rangers were going to have to part with either a #1 pick or a top prospect to move Gomez' contract. If you want to make money, always bet against HF conventional wisdom, especially when it comes to the Rangers.

 

[bernmeister]

I will only respond to this part because the rest of the post is the usual trade-tsunami stuff.

Draft position means NOTHING once a player is drafted. For instance: Nobody cares Aho was a 2nd rounder and he won't be traded based on the fact that he was a 2nd rounder.

Disagree.
It means nothing ONLY once there is a clear idea of the value of the player at NHL level. When guy has not been around long enough, there is a preliminary idea based on undersized sampling in NHL, and that is coupled vs the conventional wisdom projection of draft status.

Leo Drai was 3OA, had issues w/skating first half of rookie yr. His value was up, then down slightly. Got it all resolved, his value has properly skyrocketed.

Strome is the epitome of a crapshoot at this point.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Well their fans...


Their GM really wants the player who GMJG doesn't have to move. Clearly Chaka Khan holds all the cards and Stepan is going to go for a package headlined by Crouse and the 23rd pick.

Oh yeah. Told you all Chaka Khan was a better choice than Chaka from the Lost World.

 

[Trxjw]

I am super anxious as to what I read about Strome's skating. Plus, even if he's able to be effective playing that style, it's not exactly in synch with what the Rangers have been all about in terms of team construction over the last couple of years. Push comes to shove, I want Dvorak and the #23 over Strome and the #7.

But I'm looking for a bidding war that can do better than that. If I can't get at least the #7, Dvorak, and a 3rd solid piece from ARI, then I'm looking to see what else is out there. Can I get Dumba + 2 1st rounders from Vegas? Can I get the #3 OA + Honka from Dallas? What's Minnesota offering? Etc., etc.

Strome's skating isn't awful, it's just not great. The thing with Strome is that he has filthy hands and the head and size to go with it. He just needs time to learn how to apply those skills at the NHL level. He plays the game the same way Thornton does. Keeps the puck on a string and uses his body to shield it.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Strome's skating isn't awful, it's just not great. The thing with Strome is that he has filthy hands and the head and size to go with it. He just needs time to learn how to apply those skills at the NHL level. He plays the game the same way Thornton does. Keeps the puck on a string and uses his body to shield it.

Kevin Hayes with a brain?