NYR Viper
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I think we should also consider the fact that there appear to be a few teams looking for centers. Minnesota. Vegas. Montreal. Arizona.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)
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"Get a deal done by 6/30", why because after that he goes into a 10 year contract with a full NMC at 10.5 AAV? Let's be real, even with his ****ty playoff performance he is still one of our best players. He's locked into a good contract that has a NTC for ONLY 2 years. Hardly hampering in the least sense.
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Being signed ages 27 through 31 is huge value. How in the hell are AZ fans that his 4 more signed years is a detriment? How delusional do you have to be? Especially coming from a franchise that can't attract anything in the way of Free Agents.
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This is what I keep coming back to. Why are we moving him for a meh deal? There has to be a strategic rationale, otherwise you keep him.
The #7 in a weak draft plus some mediocre JOrts style thrown-ins? Why on earth would the Rangers do that? Are there compromising pictures of Stepan? Of Gorton?
Ghost of jas
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I think the 7th is definitely part of the deal. There were reports that last year's 7th was on the table in a deal between the Rangers and Coyotes, so I expect it's still on the table. Add in the Rangers interviewing Makar and Suzuki, players not likely to be be available at 21, and, in my mind, the 7th pick is a priority.
HatTrick Swayze
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Because trading Stepan at 27 will return a **** ton more than trading Stepan at 29 or to a team via a waived clause.
There's a reason why players often get traded right before clauses kick in. I'm just speculating on what I think may happen, not what I think should happen.
HatTrick Swayze
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Agreed, trading Stepan would return a **** ton.
HOWEVER, what you mentioned a couple of posts ago is the furthest possible thing from a **** ton.
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Every team has to do their due diligence in that regard even if they have not engaged in any talks for top 10~ pick(s) at all. It would be negligent not to.
HatTrick Swayze
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#7th plus smaller adds I don't see happening. That's a "meh" deal.
I think the NYR sees Strome as a home run add, which may be a disconnect from this board. Brass trade amped up a little higher.
Ghost of jas
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Especially when there are reports of multiple teams being interested. That, believe it or not, makes Gorton's hand stronger. He's not moving Stepan because he has to. He's not confined to trading him to a team that his brother plays on, (i.e. Jordan Staal). He's not moving players because of off-ice issues (Carter and Richards). And, he's not a crappy GM like Sakic (ROR). His hands are not tied.
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No Keller/Dvorak/Domi = I doubt there's a deal to be made.
No offense, just another lousy deal that we'd have no reason to make.
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Keep in mind, if they're angling for a pick this year, Stepan has to be traded by Friday. His clause kicks in after the draft. Also, Fischer isn't a throw-in piece. He's their 2nd best prospect behind Keller (not counting Dvorak or Chychrun since they got NHL time). 20-27-47 in 57 AHL games as a 20 year old. He's 6'3 210 and can skate and forecheck like a demon. I'm only not mentioning him because he's a winger. He's a great prospect
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I haven't posted much lately but to be completely unbiased I just don't see Stepan worth a top 10 pick with others pieces coming back. He's never hit 60 points. Yes, his defense is good, and he's a pretty good passer, but what you see is what you get. If we were doing ratings by let's say EA Sports, would Stepan be a 90? Is he a top 10 or top 15 center in this league? A top 10 pick is a potential game changer, either a top 6 forward or a top 4 Dman down the road.
Only way that #7 pick is even in question is if Raanta is involved.
Realistically I see it as something like Murphy/Duclair or Perlini/#23 for Stepan
or Murphy/Duclair or Perlini/#7 and Calgary or Detroit's 3rd rounder for Stepan/Raanta and a 4th.
I'm honestly fine with that return if it means the winger lets the Rangers trade Nash for even more assets. He's not going to suddenly turn into Claude Lemieux next April.
Unrelated, if Lindberg is picked by Vegas, I'd look into signing Boyle for 3 years at $2.25. Guy can still play, shows up in the playoffs, and can also play wing well.
I'm still fine with Stepan/Nash/Raanta/Holden and unfortunately one of Lindberg/Grabner/Fast out, and replacing them at least to start the year with Darcy Kuemper/Bonino/Boyle/Smith/Shattenkirk/winger acquired in AZ trade.
And I'd rather give Bonino and Boyle $6.5 combined than Hanzal a dime. Guy is an IR waiting to happen. Also no to Barrie, he'd be getting the Huber/Malkhov/Poti/Malik treatment from the crowd 5 games in and never recover.
Only way that #7 pick is even in question is if Raanta is involved.
Realistically I see it as something like Murphy/Duclair or Perlini/#23 for Stepan
or Murphy/Duclair or Perlini/#7 and Calgary or Detroit's 3rd rounder for Stepan/Raanta and a 4th.
I'm honestly fine with that return if it means the winger lets the Rangers trade Nash for even more assets. He's not going to suddenly turn into Claude Lemieux next April.
Unrelated, if Lindberg is picked by Vegas, I'd look into signing Boyle for 3 years at $2.25. Guy can still play, shows up in the playoffs, and can also play wing well.
I'm still fine with Stepan/Nash/Raanta/Holden and unfortunately one of Lindberg/Grabner/Fast out, and replacing them at least to start the year with Darcy Kuemper/Bonino/Boyle/Smith/Shattenkirk/winger acquired in AZ trade.
And I'd rather give Bonino and Boyle $6.5 combined than Hanzal a dime. Guy is an IR waiting to happen. Also no to Barrie, he'd be getting the Huber/Malkhov/Poti/Malik treatment from the crowd 5 games in and never recover.
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When you propose some of these trades ask yourselves, "would Gorton let my 1-2 center go for 'tis return"?
The logical conclusion on most proposals is no deal. GMJG will want a big return IF he makes a deal. While I still think the chances of a deal are small, it is not contract driven. It would be return driven.
The logical conclusion on most proposals is no deal. GMJG will want a big return IF he makes a deal. While I still think the chances of a deal are small, it is not contract driven. It would be return driven.
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Rangers fans think Arizona's fans are insane. They think we're insane.
From a logical standpoint, we might not get the package we think we deserve, but looking at the amount of teams looking for a top line center, the Rangers are in a huge position of power, and I'm more than okay with sending Stepan somewhere else if they meet the top pick + legitimate NHL 2C/W or RD + good prospect asking price.
From a logical standpoint, we might not get the package we think we deserve, but looking at the amount of teams looking for a top line center, the Rangers are in a huge position of power, and I'm more than okay with sending Stepan somewhere else if they meet the top pick + legitimate NHL 2C/W or RD + good prospect asking price.
I highly doubt the league and it's ownership want to see a Sam Hinkie (analytics guy that ran 76ers into the ground) situation in ARI.
Oh and some guys that own NBA teams, also have interests in NHL teams. They know first hand what a multi-year tank job does to every owner in the league. These guys don't want a welfare state in their league.
The signs are there from last years moves, and that market is already a financial blackhole for the league.
Unsupportive market, terrible real estate deal, unsteady ownership.
That org has lost $25M per annum some years.
Sinking it down the way some contrarians may think is not the right approach.
No team in the league is going to compete with a bunch of 20 year olds and no capable starter.
ARI won't compete next year either.
Their coach has personnel power.
No free agent signs there.
They have cost controlled assets, but out all of their kids in recent years... none have made a star impact outside of OEL & Yandle.
They had to execute a sign & trade + overpay Alex freaking Goligoski.
Two of their top paid forwards are going to be paid off by insurance. Their top earning NHL forward is Jamie McGinn who was paid $3.33M to sign there as a UFA. Jaime McGinn.
If Chayka even remotely goes the Hinkie route next year, then you can expect that market to plummet even further.
ARI cannot turn a profit without a deep playoff run. League owners do not want intentionally losing markets... it's simply bad for the game.
What does corsi say about ARI future?
Oh and some guys that own NBA teams, also have interests in NHL teams. They know first hand what a multi-year tank job does to every owner in the league. These guys don't want a welfare state in their league.
The signs are there from last years moves, and that market is already a financial blackhole for the league.
Unsupportive market, terrible real estate deal, unsteady ownership.
That org has lost $25M per annum some years.
Sinking it down the way some contrarians may think is not the right approach.
No team in the league is going to compete with a bunch of 20 year olds and no capable starter.
ARI won't compete next year either.
Their coach has personnel power.
No free agent signs there.
They have cost controlled assets, but out all of their kids in recent years... none have made a star impact outside of OEL & Yandle.
They had to execute a sign & trade + overpay Alex freaking Goligoski.
Two of their top paid forwards are going to be paid off by insurance. Their top earning NHL forward is Jamie McGinn who was paid $3.33M to sign there as a UFA. Jaime McGinn.
If Chayka even remotely goes the Hinkie route next year, then you can expect that market to plummet even further.
ARI cannot turn a profit without a deep playoff run. League owners do not want intentionally losing markets... it's simply bad for the game.
What does corsi say about ARI future?
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I appreciate your posts. Much like RBs and a few others. I seek them out to find reason in all the madness. Thanks!
Looking forward to seeing what happens. Could be a great week. Could be an awful one. Overall. But I agree. Why move Step for a mediocre package just to move him? Gorton will find a deal he likes or Step is staying put. I trust him, mostly. =)
Lots of potential for us here. Hopefully it pans out.
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