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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)

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MarkMessyay11 said:
I don't think Stepan will fetch this much, but it will be a better return than what a majority of the main board is suggesting.

If Brooks is right, we're looking for a defenseman...and I'm assuming OEL isn't going to be had. So I'd love a package of something like Chychrun and 7 OA for Stepan + Raanta (assuming we still have him after Wednesday).
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It would be nice to just get more, but people have gotta stop being greedy and get real.

IMO
Stepan ALONE, no real adds [not counting a way lesser throw in like Hickey] is worth either
7OA
or
Chychrun [preferable]

not both

That does not mean we can't have proper adds and wind up with both.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
It's either going to be a lot of cap space, or a major haul of assets... Which do you prefer?

Think about it... Adam Larsson returned Taylor Hall.
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1. Im confused here, are you talking about Stepan here? My post I was simply talking about Shattenkirk. So it depends.

2. Obv that trade isn't that good right now, if Larsson can continue to improve it'll look better. Johansen also fetched Jones. If your saying you'd rather just sign Shatty and trade Stepan for prospects/picks then I understand that. It all depends what Shatty wants, if he wants the moon then I don't want him.
 
NYRKING30 said:
1. Im confused here, are you talking about Stepan here? My post I was simply talking about Shattenkirk. So it depends.

2. Obv that trade isn't that good right now, if Larsson can continue to improve it'll look better. Johansen also fetched Jones. If your saying you'd rather just sign Shatty and trade Stepan for prospects/picks then I understand that. It all depends what Shatty wants, if he wants the moon then I don't want him.
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I'm talking about whichever way the Rangers go is going to be costly.. Its gonna be cap space vs assets (trading your #1 center or more).
 
If we did my Reinhart deal netting EKane,

possible with right adds to do
Kane + to Montreal
Galy + to Colorado
Duchene + to NYR

too busy for math now
who wants to take a stab at the +/-s?
 
bernmeister said:
If we did my Reinhart deal netting EKane,

possible with right adds to do
Kane + to Montreal
Galy + to Colorado
Duchene + to NYR

too busy for math now
who wants to take a stab at the +/-s?
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literally zero people have told you that Kane and Reinhart is an acceptable return for McDonagh and Zuccarello. That trade is egregious for the NYR.
 
Krams said:
Watch out boys Bern has no chill
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Dear friend Krams

you and everybody else knows how I roll!

It's just every once in a while somebody has to be more than a noodge, and push the envelope too far, when nothing was provoked and same is not necessary.

Peace out for now
 
I would absolutely love Max Domi. The guy plays with an intensity many players lack. On top of that he has legit skill. If Tippett has soured on him and for whatever reason he's available, he's my main piece.

Domi + 7th + 2nd/Hickey for Stepan + Raanta

Could Gorton find a center or defenseman prospect t that's a year or two away with #7?

Domi would work if Lindberg stays, then the necessity of a center in the next couple of years isn't there.
 
MacTruck said:
literally zero people have told you that Kane and Reinhart is an acceptable return for McDonagh and Zuccarello. That trade is egregious for the NYR.
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Last version I had of this SJ 1st at 19OA was sent to Buf for 8OA as part of deal

Let us remember, as RB preaches, we will not want to deal w/huge salary increases for McD + Zuc in 2 years

Remember, if we don't want to continue to pay for the massive stupidity of deals like EStaal, we have to do deals like this which get us younger.

If the win now crowd is honest, admits we don't have the horses, need to make build moves like this, then it is reasonable value enough
 
bernmeister said:
It would be nice to just get more, but people have gotta stop being greedy and get real.

IMO
Stepan ALONE, no real adds [not counting a way lesser throw in like Hickey] is worth either
7OA
or
Chychrun [preferable]

not both

That does not mean we can't have proper adds and wind up with both.
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Not really. Stepan is a known and proven quantity and a team wanting him wants him to provide accordingly. Your 7th OA is a supposed and speculative quantity until he shows otherwise.

....and the Arizona team should immediately benefit from having Stepan on their roster whereas the Rangers are going to be weaker down the middle at center--they're going to take a hit immediately which may or may not be offset by other moves they make.

....and keeping in mind that you've been very hot about moving Stepan for quite a while at least in part because of cap considerations but we're also moving into an NHL world where the trend is that there are fewer and fewer major UFA's to spend lots of cash on.....and keeping in mind that the Rangers were a few million under cap last year--it's a different NHL world than a few years ago. IMO there is no imperative for the Rangers to move Stepan unless say they're really intent on giving Shattenkirk a long term major $ deal and they might be even able to swing that even if they don't move Stepan.

In any case I don't make a Stepan deal with Arizona for just the 7th OA. I'd want considerably more.
 
Arizona fans are so far apart on what most on here want stepan it's not even close.
Although Stepan is still young I feel like he fits a win now or semi win now ready team and Arizona is far from that. They were horrible last year and I don't see them being a playoff team this coming year or the following. He would be a good leader on that team for some of their younger forwards but from a results point of view will he make much of a difference on that team ?
 
NYR Viper said:
I would absolutely love Max Domi. The guy plays with an intensity many players lack. On top of that he has legit skill. If Tippett has soured on him and for whatever reason he's available, he's my main piece.

Domi + 7th + 2nd/Hickey for Stepan + Raanta

Could Gorton find a center or defenseman prospect t that's a year or two away with #7?

Domi would work if Lindberg stays, then the necessity of a center in the next couple of years isn't there.
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Would Max inherit the invisible heavyweight belt?
 
bl02 said:
He would be a good leader on that team for some of their younger forwards but from a results point of view will he make much of a difference on that team ?
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No, he wouldn't, which is why expecting anything in the Domi/Keller/Strome/Dvorak tier to come the other way is setting yourself up for disappointment.
 
jas said:
Yeah, the Rangers will keep their #1 center, a very good two-way player, with loads of playoff experience, and remain a playoff contender. Such disappointment.
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and AZ will continue to be what they've been for years...
 
XX said:
No, he wouldn't, which is why expecting anything in the Domi/Keller/Strome/Dvorak tier to come the other way is setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Strome or Dvorak is certainly reasonable. The other two. It so much. But I think Stepan's best fit is in Vegas, for one of the unprotected Minny Dmen and one of their extra firsts. Something like that. McPhee knows all about Stepan and he can be their 1C until they inevitably draft one with the top 3 pick that the Rangers never have.
 
As an aside, The Rangers need to add a player or two who can play with a bit of an edge and play the game. I was looking at the expansion lists earlier today and there are some teams with next to nothing to offer Vegas.

TB has Paquette and Brown available and I'm assuming one of them is taken. Think Gorton could get Vegas to move one of them?
 
so Brooks says the Rangers would only consider Shattenkirk on a higher AAV at a greatly reduced term (2 to 3 years)?... I don't get this franchise at all..
 
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