Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)

[Savant]

Then I'd rather keep Stepan.

Screw the Islanders.

This is stupid. The Rangers can't base their offseason because they are afraid of what the islanders are going to do.

 

[Trxjw]

Interesting how there's no links between COL and Duchene to ARI and their need for a center. If Chaykrakrka really likes Step, then he might overpay a tad. If we trade Step, that will likely eliminate a team from the Duchene sweepstakes which will up the chances of NYI of getting him.

There's no link because Duchene is only signed for 2 more years. They know he wouldn't re-sign there. That same reason is why the Canes refused to send Hanifin to Colorado. Small market teams with budget concerns can't afford to add players who might walk in a couple years. Especially one like Arizona who is a sure fire lottery team next season. Hell, they'll be in the mix for the #1 pick if they don't add a couple decent players this summer.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Considering our goals, and getting away from the prospect skewed bias of this prospect based message board, I would back off the 7OA and aim for their 23OA and try to get 2 players closer to nhl ready. Closer to the Jordan Staal trade. Domi/Dvorak plus high prospect and their 23rd. If Raanta is in it I want their 35th or for the prospect to be another elc player.

 

[Boruto]

Unless Charykerakrak is worried about getting fired, I don't see a team rebuilding, still, throw away this much for 27-28 year old centers and goaltender.

 

[E-Train]

Considering our goals, and getting away from the prospect skewed bias of this prospect based message board, I would back off the 7OA and aim for their 23OA and try to get 2 players closer to nhl ready. Closer to the Jordan Staal trade. Domi/Dvorak plus high prospect and their 23rd. If Raanta is in it I want their 35th or for the prospect to be another elc player.

That's fine with me. Dvorak, Fischer & #23? Add #35 for Raanta.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Unless Charykerakrak is worried about getting fired, I don't see a team rebuilding, still, throw away this much for 27-28 year old centers and goaltender.

Lol...

He could be getting pushed by ownership though. Plus how long can you really sit back and suck for? At some point you need to make moves to try and improve+show the players who are already there that you're serious about winning sometime soon.

They're never going to be a prime target for a UFA and any player with a shorter term contract who gets traded there will likely bolt the second that they have the opportunity. Stepan makes a ton of sense for them.

 

[Griffinbw]

If we're taking a young high potential player, I want Chychrun. Not strome.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Look, if we are going to do a Chayka meme, it better be Chaka from Land of the Lost or there is no hope for you guys.

 

[Krams]

Unless Charykerakrak is worried about getting fired, I don't see a team rebuilding, still, throw away this much for 27-28 year old centers and goaltender.

The Coyotes cannot afford to continue to suck hard for another 3-4 years if they plan on staying in Arizona or if they want to retain OEL. They will never be able to build a team via free agency. Doan is now gone and it's basically a core group of 21-24 year olds...Chayka is on record saying that the cap space they have will be used to build a team that supports the youth (read: vets) and makes sure they don't play over their heads. He's also said they're specifically seeking out a center and right-handed shots, and a goalie.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Look, if we are going to do a Chayka meme, it better be Chaka from Land of the Lost or there is no hope for you guys.

Not Chaka Khan?

 

[silverfish]

Not really, no. Chayka's made some good moves, but he's not some god tier GM. Should we never trade good players because good GMs have "serious interest"? I don't really understand what point you're trying to make here.

Point is that Chayka looks at the game differently than other GMs do. If I was a GM and Chayka called me about one of my players, I'd want to try and figure out what he knew that I didn't.

 

[Mac n Gs]

If we're breaking down the tiers of Arizona young guns, this is what I'd have:

Tier 1: Chychrun, Keller and Domi --> they aren't and shouldn't be moving these kids. Both will be their go-to guys for the future

Tier 2: Dvorak and Fischer: I've really like Fischer's game for a while, and I think he oozes potential. I don't think they'll move him either with Doan leaving and Fischer having a great year in the AHL. I like Dvorak's potential a lot too. I think he'll end up being like a Stepan but a bit faster. He's well polished from playing in London, and I think he can turn into a reliable 1/2C tweener

Tier 3: Strome and DeAngelo: Both players are uber-skilled, but have huge issues with their games. Strome's skating is absolutely awful and he's gotten by in his career by being bigger than everyone else. In the fast-paced NHL, with his time and space taken away, he'll have a much tougher time unless he gets better at skating big time. This isn't like Draisatl who needed a few tweaks, his entire stride is just jacked up. DeAngelo is a ****ing ****** bag from south Jersey. Super skilled, but he's a loud mouth who's obnoxious and sucks at playing defense.

Tier 4: Duclair and Wood: I think Wood has some potential in his game to be a good 5D if he can fix a few issues. Duclair needs confidence, but damn does he get in his own way. He has a great shot, but never uses it, and we all know he can fly. I'd bring him back in a heart beat because I think we can revitalize his young career.

We won't get any out of Tier 1. I'd aim for Dvorak and the 7th or Dvorak, Duke, and the 23rd for Stepan and made a small add. I left Crouse out because I can't really peg him, but I'd say he's in tier 3. He's a meat and potatoes glue kinda guy that every roster needs.

 

[Krams]

Point is that Chayka looks at the game differently than other GMs do. If I was a GM and Chayka called me about one of my players, I'd want to try and figure out what he knew that I didn't.

Perhaps you're overthinking and passing over the obvious. Chayka is not the only GM asking about Stepan. Stepan fits the Coyotes needs to a T. There is no other veteran, 1st line, right-handed center of his caliber on the market.

 

[Boruto]

Speaking of looking at the game differently, r/hockey sub posted an old article about the feud between Lowe and Burke and there was a snippet that made me really glad Gorton is the GM now.

"At one point, Burke’s wife also overheard Burke on the phone, this time talking to Glen Sather of the Rangers, where Burke asked Sather to act as an intermediary to set up a fist fight between him and Lowe."

 

[silverfish]

Perhaps you're overthinking and passing over the obvious. Chayka is not the only GM asking about Stepan. Stepan fits the Coyotes needs to a T. There is no other veteran, 1st line, right-handed center of his caliber on the market.

It goes for Stepan, but it also goes for every player that Chayka looks into.

And again, this is only because we know he evaluates players differently.

I'd try to figure out what it is, regardless of player.

That's all I'm saying.

Like last season when he traded for Crouse while the computer-boys were still "in command" in Florida. That trade fascinated me.

 

[silverfish]

You should fully prepare yourself to be grossly disappointed if we trade Step to them if you are expecting a return like that.

If we trade Stepan and we're not thrilled with the return, then it was a bad trade.

We don't need to trade him. Make other teams overpay if they want him.

 

[NYRSchrute217]

Wild thought here, if there is a deal to be made with Arizona for Stepan, would anyone take a chance at the Coyotes 2018 first rounder as opposed to the #7 pick in this draft? That may be our chance for a top 3 pick, in a great draft, to get an elite top line center.

No guarantees of course, but Arizona should be a bottom 10 team next year, even with Stepan. I'd be thrilled with Dvorak + 2018 first + another piece like Fischer. Maybe it's easier to swallow for Arizona as it's not a guarantee that it's a top 10 choice.

 

[silverfish]

Just cause a few people aren't thrilled with a trade, doesn't make it a bad trade. Most people here would not expect that type of return (judging by some fair proposals recently)

Fact is, any trade we make, some people will never be happy. Even if we got the world from them.

Too focused on one word.

Any trade involving Stepan should see the Rangers getting an overpayment for him. Otherwise, don't trade him. Of course some people's evaluation of 'overpayment' will differ from others, but everyone should be pretty much in agreement that the Rangers "won" any Stepan trade.

 

[pld459666]

Point is that Chayka looks at the game differently than other GMs do. If I was a GM and Chayka called me about one of my players, I'd want to try and figure out what he knew that I didn't.

May I ask, in your opinion, what has he accomplished at the NHL level that would have you react like that?

 

[Boruto]

Just cause a few people aren't thrilled with a trade, doesn't make it a bad trade. Most people here would not expect that type of return (judging by some fair proposals recently)

Fact is, any trade we make, some people will never be happy. Even if we got the world from them.

I'll be sure to complain regardless of what we get.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Point is that Chayka looks at the game differently than other GMs do. If I was a GM and Chayka called me about one of my players, I'd want to try and figure out what he knew that I didn't.

Chayka just isn't THAT smart. He is getting way too much credit for not accomplishing **** thus far.

 

[silverfish]

May I ask, in your opinion, what has he accomplished at the NHL level that would have you react like that?

Chayka just isn't THAT smart. He is getting way too much credit for not accomplishing **** thus far.

Guys, he's been in the league for a year. We have no idea what his plan for Arizona is, chill. I'm sorry he hasn't turned the Coyotes around in a calendar year. Lord knows they were a dynasty before he got in there

All we know is that he evaluates players with a different scope. I'd try to understand what that scope is. Legit all I'm saying. I'm not saying his way of evaluation is the end all be all, I'd just try to understand why he's interested in some players and not interested in others. Is that so crazy?

Chiiiiiiiiiiillllllllllllllllllllllll.

He's also made some very good trades so far.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Point is that Chayka looks at the game differently than other GMs do. If I was a GM and Chayka called me about one of my players, I'd want to try and figure out what he knew that I didn't.

Or it could be the obvious list of reasons;

1) The Coyotes have horrible depth at the NHL level at center
2) The Coyotes need to get the floor and Stepan's 6.5M cap hit helps with that
C) The Coyotes need experienced players up front and Stepan has loads of experience despite being only 27. Stepan being relatively young also fits in with the Coyotes plan of rebuilding.
D) Stepan is signed for 4 more years (unlike another available center in Duchene who can bail in two years) and does not currently have any sort of trade clause which can block a trade to Arizona, meaning he's there for at least 4 more years whether he wants to be there or not, and that he's currently attainable.
E) Stepan is a very good player and very good centers signed for several years at an affordable price don't come on the market often
F) All of the above

 

[silverfish]

Or it could be the obvious list of reasons;

1) The Coyotes have horrible depth at the NHL level at center
2) The Coyotes need to get the floor and Stepan's 6.5M cap hit helps with that
C) The Coyotes need experienced players up front and Stepan has loads of experience despite being only 27. Stepan being relatively young also fits in with the Coyotes plan of rebuilding.
D) Stepan is signed for 4 more years (unlike another available center in Duchene who can bail in two years) and does not currently have any sort of trade clause which can block a trade to Arizona, meaning he's there for at least 4 more years whether he wants to be there or not, and that he's currently attainable.
E) All of the above

This conversation includes and goes past Derek Stepan.

I understand why Chayka is interested in Stepan.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Wild thought here, if there is a deal to be made with Arizona for Stepan, would anyone take a chance at the Coyotes 2018 first rounder as opposed to the #7 pick in this draft? That may be our chance for a top 3 pick, in a great draft, to get an elite top line center.

No guarantees of course, but Arizona should be a bottom 10 team next year, even with Stepan. I'd be thrilled with Dvorak + 2018 first + another piece like Fischer. Maybe it's easier to swallow for Arizona as it's not a guarantee that it's a top 10 choice.

Thats like a question I had yesterday. I figured why not take a shot at LV 2018 or 2019 pick. It would be like the Lakers and James Worthy.