That trade did include a player who was 5 years younger, played the same position and has potential for the same ppg or better than brassard.
If we got the above for stepan plus a 2nd round pick, I'd be plenty happy with that.
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That trade did include a player who was 5 years younger, played the same position and has potential for the same ppg or better than brassard.
If we got the above for stepan plus a 2nd round pick, I'd be plenty happy with that.
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Yep, there's no other center on the market like him. He's also a right handed shot which Arizona is sorely lacking.
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Does it make anyone else think that if a GM like Chayka has 'serious' interest in Stepan, then maybe we should just keep him?
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Not really, no. Chayka's made some good moves, but he's not some god tier GM. Should we never trade good players because good GMs have "serious interest"? I don't really understand what point you're trying to make here.
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We also got Zibanejad, a player more accomplished than any player coming from Arizona. A player, going forward, who is the #1 center on this team, as well as a 2nd round pick. So, in others words, nothing much at all.
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Unproven to me is someone asking for $10,000 to buy equipment to kick start their hot sauce product in a market already saturated with hot sauces. Lots of the Yotes prospects are almost ready for the NHL jump with a stellar pedigree behind them. That's not the same as drafting an 18 year old kid. I think hot sauces with Indian spices and Asian ingredients like flower pepper is going to be a great hit once all the Mexican inspired hot sauces and the fruity floral hot sauces starts to get old.
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The Rangers can't do that, it is all baseless speculation that Gorton has that option.
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Why is it so unrealistic? We don't have to trade him. It's been speculated that there are multiple teams interested in him. Players with similar stats who had fewer potential trading partners and wanted out of their current situation fetched a comparable package.
We don't have to trade him for anything less than an overpayment if we don't want to. Also, what makes your perception of fair value/overpayment any more realistic than other posters? What comparables are you using?
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Interesting how there's no links between COL and Duchene to ARI and their need for a center. If Chaykrakrka really likes Step, then he might overpay a tad. If we trade Step, that will likely eliminate a team from the Duchene sweepstakes which will up the chances of NYI of getting him.
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Derek Stepan is overvalued on this board...
But Dylan Strome, who was drafted 2 years ago and still has the same concerns about his game today that he did the day he was drafted and carries a significant amount of bust potential, is being undervalued, because of his draft position...
Yeah if I'm going to trade the most consistent forward this team has had for the last 6 seasons, I want something better than that as the center piece, or enough coming back with him to off set the real chance that he can't stick in the NHL (he doesn't have a 3rd line floor, he has a spends the bulk of his career playing in Europe floor.)
The 7th overall alone doesn't do that for me.
But Dylan Strome, who was drafted 2 years ago and still has the same concerns about his game today that he did the day he was drafted and carries a significant amount of bust potential, is being undervalued, because of his draft position...
Yeah if I'm going to trade the most consistent forward this team has had for the last 6 seasons, I want something better than that as the center piece, or enough coming back with him to off set the real chance that he can't stick in the NHL (he doesn't have a 3rd line floor, he has a spends the bulk of his career playing in Europe floor.)
The 7th overall alone doesn't do that for me.
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We did actually rip the Sens off. Zibanejad is cheaper, younger, and more talented. He's already producing at an equal pace to Brassard. The 2nd round pick puts it over the top. Brass might have been more accomplished in terms of his success in the playoffs and being a more proven player that's able to put up 50 points consistently (apparently not), but the on ice production is the same. That was a A+ trade especially in retrospect. We didn't have to trade Brassard but the overpayment came.
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I don't necessarily agree that Stepan is overvalued by this board on the whole--there may be a few posters here and there. The rest of your post you're spot on. I wouldn't go after Strome regardless. Much prefer Dvorak as the center coming NYR's way.
If we want to draw parallels between a hypothetical Stepan trade and the Brassard trade last year, Zibanejad has more value than Dvorak, and Stepan has more value than Brassard. I don't think the 7th + Dvorak + a third piece if Raanta is involved is asking for the moon.
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To be quite honest, I don't know the Coyotes players and prospects as well as everyone else. I've just been spamming a ton of posts.
The issue with getting a fair return at the moment is the perception that we shouldn't downgrade our current roster. Stepan is the superior player to Domi currently especially when you factor in how well Step is defensively playing as the 1C. Domi will very likely be a much better offensive player than Step by the time he's 25 but it'd be a downgrade to our roster right now which people don't want which makes it necessary to be overpaid even if Domi is younger and cheaper as was Zib to Brass. Zib-Brass, the quality of players there was just about equal at the time of the trades with higher ceiling, cheaper, younger, 2nd rounder. Domi + 35th? Not nearly as good of a trade as Brass for Zib but still doable considering we're retooling and Domi will be younger and we won't have to deal with slow Step at age 30+.
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I feel that way BC I don't think Zib and Hayes can move up and fill the hole left by the loss of Stepan. The brass trade worked BC we had a player like Stepan to insulate Zib. So unless we're getting an overpayment or making a similar trade to the brass one, I don't see Stepan being moved.
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I think the better long-term play would be to trade Rick Nash with salary retained for a roster player (on a contract where the salary is almost offset somewhat) and future picks/assets. I think it is easier to bank on players like Miller, Buchnevich and Vesey continuing to take steps forward with Stepan and Zibanejad (re-signed, of course), rather than to move Stepan, worry about losing Lindberg, and then worrying even further about our C depth afterward. That, and Stepan plays defensive minutes. Zibanejad has good offensive potential still untapped, and he was hurt this season.
I think Nash with $1.3-1.8 million retained is enticing to a pseudo-contending/contending team, especially a team like Nashville who may lose James Neal, and would get to keep their top-four defensemen in any hypothetical trade we'd ask for them. Obviously it's difficult to find trade matches, but I believe they're out there. With Stepan, we're getting a high-ceiling player back (Strome, would much prefer Dvorak, don't think Domi is a C long-term), but at the risk of, I think, maybe closing Lundqvist's window for good during the retool. I still think this is a contending team. I've posted this before, but I also think it would be smarter to look into a 1-for-1 swap with Hayes/Miller. They're roughly the same role/close to similar value to NYR at the moment.
I think Nash with $1.3-1.8 million retained is enticing to a pseudo-contending/contending team, especially a team like Nashville who may lose James Neal, and would get to keep their top-four defensemen in any hypothetical trade we'd ask for them. Obviously it's difficult to find trade matches, but I believe they're out there. With Stepan, we're getting a high-ceiling player back (Strome, would much prefer Dvorak, don't think Domi is a C long-term), but at the risk of, I think, maybe closing Lundqvist's window for good during the retool. I still think this is a contending team. I've posted this before, but I also think it would be smarter to look into a 1-for-1 swap with Hayes/Miller. They're roughly the same role/close to similar value to NYR at the moment.
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You can only ask for one of 7OA and Dvorak, most likely. It's like how they don't let you get both the char siu pork and the prawn tempura at takeout places. You can only pick one of the high cost dishes and the rest has to be battered dark meat dishes.
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Unless the other food joints are all make your own salads and heat lamp pizza by the slice. Plus the whole Stepan is soon untradable until he's 31 thing which I can't think of a dining analogy for but I feel like that's what is motivating Gorton to trade him the most.
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