Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)

[silverfish]

First person to propose the Rangers bring in Doan gets perma-banned (only kind of kidding).

 

[Thirty One]

How on earth are the Coyotes getting to the cap floor?

The need to trade for Staal, IMO. We would be doing them a favor.

Dellow mentioned yesterday that they should trade for Hossa and then buy him out. Minimal $, but large cap charge.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How on earth are the Coyotes getting to the cap floor?

Stepan and Staal!!! (One can dream)

 

[Griffinbw]

First person to propose the Rangers bring in Doan gets perma-banned (only kind of kidding).

We can add him to the NYR old age community of Jagr, Thornton and Marleau we'll be bringing in.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Coyotes will get to the floor

Chayka will get some team to give up assets to take a garbage contract

They also will have Stepan's contract on the books

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/sports/hockey/rangers-sign-brad-richards-for-58-5-million.html

Richards contract with the Rangers was frontloaded. He received $50 million over the first five years of the $60 million 9 year deal. However his AAV counted as the same amount for each year of the contract on the cap.

You can't do that with contracts anymore, after the 2013 lockout. I believe the rule is now that the lowest salary in 1 year can only be 50% of the highest salary by year. If you wanted to give a player 10m salary one year, the lowest any other year of his salary could be is 5m. This is to avoid those cap circumventing contracts that were popular before the lockout: Richards, Keith, Hossa, Kovy deals. (Add on extra years at the end with 1m salary to lower the cap hit.)

 

[Fugazy]

How on earth are the Coyotes getting to the cap floor?

Stepan's contract, obviously

 

[Filip Chytil]

From the 17th: https://arizonasports.com/story/1151841/mike-smith-trade-offers-realistic-view-coyotes-future/

With Smith off the roster, the Coyotes have just $42,875,275 committed to 16 players next season, so they have some work to do just to get to the salary cap floor. A No. 1 goalie would help, but Chayka said he is still looking to improve the center position despite Friday’s acquisition of Flyers center Nick Cousins. There is likely interest in New York Rangers center Derek Stepan.

Chayka also would like to bolster the right side of his defense and forward group, so it’s too early to evaluate the Coyotes’ offseason with those options still out there and the possibility of trades on the Draft floor in Chicago next week.

Chayka did make one thing clear, however: He still views cap space as an asset. The Coyotes used it last season to take on the contracts of NHL-retired center Pavel Datsyuk and Dave Bolland (long-term injured reserve). Those acquisitions allowed them to add defenseman Jakob Chychrun and forward Lawson Crouse.

Columbus forward David Clarkson and Toronto forward Nathan Horton (both on injured reserve with a chronic back injuries) are the two most notable such contracts that Arizona could take on in exchange for assets. Clarkson has three years remaining at an AAV of 5.25 million; Horton has three years remaining at an AAV of 5.3 million.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I guess Stepan won't have to worry about being able to co-exist in a locker room with Doan.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Trade confirmed:

Stepan+Raanta+Staal
for
3OA, 23OA, 35OA, Dvorak, Hickey

Arizona has no choice. They need to cap hit of Staal. It's a win-win

 

[silverfish]

The need to trade for Staal, IMO. We would be doing them a favor.

Dellow mentioned yesterday that they should trade for Hossa and then buy him out. Minimal $, but large cap charge.

Yeah. Move makes sense for CHI and ARI.

$2.6m real dollars to have a $4.6m AAV on the books for the next four years (plus four years of $333K after that).

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah. Move makes sense for CHI and ARI.

$2.6m real dollars to have a $4.6m AAV on the books for the next four years (plus four years of $333K after that).

If that happens, can Hossa sign a new contract with Chicago? Man, that would cause riots across the league haha

 

[RGY]

You can't do that with contracts anymore, after the 2013 lockout. I believe the rule is now that the lowest salary in 1 year can only be 50% of the highest salary by year. If you wanted to give a player 10m salary one year, the lowest any other year of his salary could be is 5m. This is to avoid those cap circumventing contracts that were popular before the lockout: Richards, Keith, Hossa, Kovy deals. (Add on extra years at the end with 1m salary to lower the cap hit.)

My point to other guy was that no matter what the AAV is based off the total contract dollar amount.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Trade confirmed:

Stepan+Raanta+Staal
for
3OA, 23OA, 35OA, Dvorak, Hickey

Arizona has no choice. They need to cap hit of Staal. It's a win-win

When did Arizona get Dallas' pick?

 

[Thirty One]

If that happens, can Hossa sign a new contract with Chicago? Man, that would cause riots across the league haha

They could.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

When did Arizona get Dallas' pick?

I am so tired. I am in the middle of moving to Vienna and my brain is not working properly (I use the move as an excuse, sue me haha).

Obviously the 7OA instead of the 3OA

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/sports/hockey/rangers-sign-brad-richards-for-58-5-million.html

Richards contract with the Rangers was frontloaded. He received $50 million over the first five years of the $60 million 9 year deal. However his AAV counted as the same amount for each year of the contract on the cap.

We're not talking about the actual AAV, i know that's static. We're talking about the AAV in a buyout scenario, the "dead cap space" if you will.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

If we can pull of a Staal and Stepan deal to ARI then my god Gorton is a mf genius

 

[NYR Viper]

Moving Staal will be close to impossible.

To ARI:
Stepan + Raanta

To NYR:
Dvorak + 7th overall + Crouse


Ranger sign Shattenkirk
6 years @ $6.5m

 

[CommaSynapse]

Moving Staal will be close to impossible.

To ARI:
Stepan + Raanta

To NYR:
Dvorak + 7th overall + Crouse


Ranger sign Shattenkirk
6 years @ $6.5m

You'd think Stepan was useless according to Yotes fans.

 

[Leetch3]

did brooks really bring up OEL? or is that name just being thrown around here?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

did brooks really bring up OEL? or is that name just being thrown around here?

No. Brooks said we should trade Stepan for Trouba or Faulk. If that doesn't work, trade him for Dvorak and flip Dvorak for Trouba.

If that doesn't work, trade Stepan for OEL. But then we have 4 LHD in McDonagh, OEL, Skjei and Staal. But wait! Rangers can then trade McDonagh for MacKinnon.

That is what Brooks' "writing" comes down to these days

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Moving Staal will be close to impossible.

To ARI:
Stepan + Raanta

To NYR:
Dvorak + 7th overall + Crouse


Ranger sign Shattenkirk
6 years @ $6.5m

I don't think Stepan will fetch this much, but it will be a better return than what a majority of the main board is suggesting.

If Brooks is right, we're looking for a defenseman...and I'm assuming OEL isn't going to be had. So I'd love a package of something like Chychrun and 7 OA for Stepan + Raanta (assuming we still have him after Wednesday).

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

You'd think Stepan was useless according to Yotes fans.

Let them keep all of their prospects and languish in mediocrity like the Oilers pre-McDavid.

"All of our prospects will 100% pan out and reach their potential at the right time! We're guaranteed to be elite because we have a lot of prospects and everyone knows all prospects always pan out and become what they were projected to! No need for veterans, just have a team full of 22 year olds who all reached their potential and became a winning team in the NHL because they were highly rated prospects! Oh that guy who is guaranteed 55 points and has been the 1C on one of the most successful teams in the league the last 6 years and is only 27? He's already old and he's a bum! 3C at best!"

I'm paraphrasing of course.

 

[JCrusher*]

But you would think he's an elite 1st liner according to some Ranger fans...it goes both ways Just got to meet in the middle.

Nobody said he was a elite first liner. In fact most agree that he is kind of in between a number 2 and 1 C. However He has been a consistent 50 point player and his defense and PK is very valuable so you're gonna get good value for him.