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Amazing Kreiderman said:
The real question is: Did Larry get an XBOX or a PlayStation for his birthday?
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McD VS OEL
OEL is 3 years younger better offensively, and arguably just as good defensively. cap hit is 800k more for OEL

MacKinnon VS Stepan
Stepan is 6 years older and his cap hit is 200k more. MacKinnon has the higher upside, Stepan is the more consistent producer.

That woudl be a grand slam of epic proportions to make those 2 trades.

even if a 1st or 2 were included in those deals, they would be killer.

can you imagine...

Kreider - Zib - Buch
Nash - Mackinnon - MZA
Miller - Hayes - Grabner (Hate this line fyi)
Vesey - Lindberg - Fasth

OEL - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Staal, Holden, Pionk, Beregazlov (sp?), Graves, etc fighting to the 3rd pair.

Henrik
Some backup goalie

play the top 2 defensive pairs 50 mins a night, 3rd pair gets a very sheltered 10-15 mins...more during blowouts...

offense is young, fast, and has tons of upside. defense is 50 bajillion times better (if not 100 bajillion).
 
Inferno said:
McD VS OEL
OEL is 3 years younger better offensively, and arguably just as good defensively. cap hit is 800k more for OEL

MacKinnon VS Stepan
Stepan is 6 years older and his cap hit is 200k more. MacKinnon has the higher upside, Stepan is the more consistent producer.

That woudl be a grand slam of epic proportions to make those 2 trades.

even if a 1st or 2 were included in those deals, they would be killer.

can you imagine...

Kreider - Zib - Buch
Nash - Mackinnon - MZA
Miller - Hayes - Grabner (Hate this line fyi)
Vesey - Lindberg - Fasth

OEL - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Staal, Holden, Pionk, Beregazlov (sp?), Graves, etc fighting to the 3rd pair.

Henrik
Some backup goalie

play the top 2 defensive pairs 50 mins a night, 3rd pair gets a very sheltered 10-15 mins...more during blowouts...

offense is young, fast, and has tons of upside. defense is 50 bajillion times better (if not 100 bajillion).
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Idk how you pull those trades off...
Keep dreaming
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
I hope, one day, we hear the details about that Stepan-altercation he had a few years ago.
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I doubt we will unless Step writes a book (unlikely).

I will give you guys some "inside baseball" information.

I kind of know somebody that works for MSG (not the Rangers). Over the years it was rumored that Brooks had two sources but these sources were actual players. I will not name them here because it is just rumors. Neither player has been on the team in a while. If you are curious PM me.
 
Inferno said:
McD VS OEL
OEL is 3 years younger better offensively, and arguably just as good defensively. cap hit is 800k more for OEL

MacKinnon VS Stepan
Stepan is 6 years older and his cap hit is 200k more. MacKinnon has the higher upside, Stepan is the more consistent producer.

That woudl be a grand slam of epic proportions to make those 2 trades.

even if a 1st or 2 were included in those deals, they would be killer.

can you imagine...

Kreider - Zib - Buch
Nash - Mackinnon - MZA
Miller - Hayes - Grabner (Hate this line fyi)
Vesey - Lindberg - Fasth

OEL - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Staal, Holden, Pionk, Beregazlov (sp?), Graves, etc fighting to the 3rd pair.

Henrik
Some backup goalie

play the top 2 defensive pairs 50 mins a night, 3rd pair gets a very sheltered 10-15 mins...more during blowouts...

offense is young, fast, and has tons of upside. defense is 50 bajillion times better (if not 100 bajillion).
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I would estimate it to be a dillion times better, without doing the math.
 
Inferno said:
McD VS OEL
OEL is 3 years younger better offensively, and arguably just as good defensively. cap hit is 800k more for OEL

MacKinnon VS Stepan
Stepan is 6 years older and his cap hit is 200k more. MacKinnon has the higher upside, Stepan is the more consistent producer.

That woudl be a grand slam of epic proportions to make those 2 trades.

even if a 1st or 2 were included in those deals, they would be killer.

can you imagine...

Kreider - Zib - Buch
Nash - Mackinnon - MZA
Miller - Hayes - Grabner (Hate this line fyi)
Vesey - Lindberg - Fasth

OEL - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Staal, Holden, Pionk, Beregazlov (sp?), Graves, etc fighting to the 3rd pair.

Henrik
Some backup goalie

play the top 2 defensive pairs 50 mins a night, 3rd pair gets a very sheltered 10-15 mins...more during blowouts...

offense is young, fast, and has tons of upside. defense is 50 bajillion times better (if not 100 bajillion).
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I will sell my kidneys to buy a season ticket if that happens

Griffinbw said:
Idk how you pull those trades off...
Keep dreaming
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Ask Clown Larry

NickyFotiu said:
I doubt we will unless Step writes a book (unlikely).

I will give you guys some "inside baseball" information.

I kind of know somebody that works for MSG (not the Rangers). Over the years it was rumored that Brooks had two sources but these sources were actual players. I will not name them here because it is just rumors. Neither player has been on the team in a while. If you are curious PM me.
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I want to see Stepan do a Boyle-esque interview
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
It was discussed here about a year ago, but I can't remember who brought it up
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I was one of a few that brought it up.
Thirty One said:
Carp mentioned it in the comments of one of his blog posts, haha.
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You are right that Carp was the main person that brought it up back when he had a column/blog. There was somebody else that mentioned it but I do not remember who it was. Carp almost mentioned he came close to having a fight with Brooks back in the day.
 
Trxjw said:
Solid group to put in front of MAF/Mrazek. I said it earlier, but if they end up with Dumba, Demers, and Vatanen, one of them will assuredly be dealt for help up front.

They're going to have a solid team if they make a couple of shrewd deals, and a boatload of draft picks to go with it.
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I was looking at the forwards and there isn't much in the way of of long-term assets. Neal, Plekanec, Ward, Lehtera are guys I'd probably snag with the first 3 being UFA's at years end. Trade them for picks/futures when possible during the season.

I think he can pout together a nice young bottom-6 though if he selects Lindberg/Fast, Paquette/JT Brown, Calvert/Karlsson, McGinn/Burmistrov, Deslauriers, Brouwer, Nordstrom, Burrows
 
If we're going for Shattenkirk then we should go 7 years and front load it, will take the AAV down and it gives us 2 outs if he drops off, first the new CBA and later in the final 2 years his buyout will be very manageable if we front load it as much as possible. That's definitely how i'd deal with the Shattenkirk contract atleast.

Brooks "logic" of higher AAV with less term seems pretty dumb given how we're setup with now, we need the lower AAV.
 
NYR Viper said:
I was looking at the forward ans there isn't much in the way of of long-term assets. Neal, Plekanec, Ward, Lehtera are guys I'd probably snag with the first 3 being UFA's at years end. Trade them for picks/futures when possible during the season.

I think he can pout together a nice young bottom-6 though if he selects Lindberg/Fast, Paquette/JT Brown, Calvert/Karlsson, McGinn/Burmistrov, Deslauriers, Brouwer, Nordstrom, Burrows
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I think if they take Vatanen and Eakin, then could then flip them to Edmonton for RNH and Eberle. Then they could ice a top-six of:

Neal - Shipachyov - Radulov
Perron - RHN - Eberle

Pretty solid. Perhaps even more so if they can get Dadanov to join his instead of taking Perron. Having guys on expiring deals would help them retain younger players and be active in free agency the following year.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
If we're going for Shattenkirk then we should go 7 years and front load it, will take the AAV down and it gives us 2 outs if he drops off, first the new CBA and later in the final 2 years his buyout will be very manageable if we front load it as much as possible. That's definitely how i'd deal with the Shattenkirk contract atleast.

Brooks "logic" of higher AAV with less term seems pretty dumb given how we're setup with now, we need the lower AAV.
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It's been a long time since I ran the numbers, but I believe the buy-out cap hit is higher for front-loaded contracts.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
I hope, one day, we hear the details about that Stepan-altercation he had a few years ago.
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Are you refering to when Stepan injured his leg in training camp? It wasn't a big altercation BUT you can tell stepan was getting aggravated in the way Brooks was asking questions.
 
NYRangers1986 said:
Are you refering to when Stepan injured his leg in training camp? It wasn't a big altercation BUT you can tell stepan was getting aggravated in the way Brooks was asking questions.
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No that wasn't it, but that "Well, Larry" was pretty classic.
 
Thirty One said:
It's been a long time since I ran the numbers, but I believe the buy-out cap hit is higher for front-loaded contracts.
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Hmm, you just made med uncertain, i'll check it out, i think i'm right though.

Edit: It's signing bonuses who make contracts "buyout proof", so give him real salary atleast. I'll google some more.
 
NYRangers1986 said:
Are you refering to when Stepan injured his leg in training camp? It wasn't a big altercation BUT you can tell stepan was getting aggravated in the way Brooks was asking questions.
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If I remember correctly it was in the middle of the 2015-16 season. Some time after January I believe. I think it took place in the locker room corridor. All second hand information I'm trying to remember from Carp's blog so do not take it as gospel.
 
NickyFotiu said:
If I remember correctly it was in the middle of the 2015-16 season. Some time after January I believe. I think it took place in the locker room corridor. All second hand information I'm trying to remember from Carp's blog so do not take it as gospel.
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Oh ok I didn't even remember that one.
 
Trxjw said:
I think if they take Vatanen and Eakin, then could then flip them to Edmonton for RNH and Eberle. Then they could ice a top-six of:

Neal - Shipachyov - Radulov
Perron - RHN - Eberle

Pretty solid. Perhaps even more so if they can get Dadanov to join his instead of taking Perron. Having guys on expiring deals would help them retain younger players and be active in free agency the following year.
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That would be a pretty nice top-6 to start with. Especially considering the age of that group as a whole.
 
You guys are mad at Brooks because the Rangers don't share your enthusiasm for Shattenkirk. You haven't really heard much about Shattenkirk and the Rangers since the end of the season. It's a huge commitment.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Hmm, you just made med uncertain, i'll check it out, i think i'm right though.

Edit: It's signing bonuses who make contracts "buyout proof", so give him real salary atleast. I'll google some more.
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Yeah. I think the signing bonuses are paid out regardless of the buy-out, but might still be part of the cap-hit calculation
 
RangerBoy said:
You guys are mad at Brooks because the Rangers don't share your enthusiasm for Shattenkirk. You haven't really heard much about Shattenkirk and the Rangers since the end of the season. It's a huge commitment.
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Not true for me. I'm just tired of his opinion fluff pieces that don't make any sense.
 
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