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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXIX: Countdown to the draft (and the other draft)

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ManUtdTobbe said:
We're not talking about the actual AAV, i know that's static. We're talking about the AAV in a buyout scenario, the "dead cap space" if you will.
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The AAV of each year of the buyout is dependent on the actual salary compared to the original cap hit. Simple example:

6 mil AAV
2 years left
6 mil salary in each year
Player is 26 or older

The player is owed 12 mil, 2/3rds of which is 8 mil. The cap hit would be 2 mil per year for 4 years. (8 mil / 4 years)

Example 2:

6 mil AAV
2 years left
4.5 mil salary in each year
Player is 26 or older

The player is owed 9 mil, 2/3rds of which is 6 mil. The cap hit would be the following:

Year 1: 3 mil
Year 2: 3 mil
Year 3: 1.5 mil
Year 4: 1.5 mil

The formula here is (2/3rds remaining salary / twice the remaining years) + Original cap hit - original salary

Year 1: (6 / 4) + (6 - 4.5) = 3
Year 2: (6 / 4) + (6 - 4.5) = 3
Year 3: (6 / 4) + (0 - 0) = 1.5
Year 4: (6 / 4) + (0 - 0) = 1.5

Example 3:

6 mil AAV
2 years left
9 mil salary in year 1, 6 mil salary in year 2
Player is 26 or older

Player is owed 15 mil, 2/3rds of which is 10 mil.

Year 1: (10 / 4) + (6 - 9) = -0.5
Year 2: (10 / 4) + (6 - 6) = 2.5
Year 3: (10 / 4) + (0 - 0) = 2.5
Year 4: (10 / 4) + (0 - 0) = 2.5

If the player is under 26, the payout is 1/3rd instead of 2/3rds.
 
We need to be patient. Shattenkirk basically is a role player for us. Very good on the PP, albeit not much of a threat with the shot, ok defensively. Doesn't move the puck up ice that well and can't really skate with the puck. A specialist from the blueline and in, on par with BR. To outbid everyone on the free agent market, as always going longer and higher than anyone can imagine is what it will take, is just not a good idea for this team.

We are a very good, well run and attractive organization from a pure hockey perspective, that on top of it all is an original 6 team playing on Manhattan in the worlds most famous arena. We will get new chances. Shatty is not an elite UFA that will get paid like one. He isn't even a clear No 1 D.

One fault this organization have is that it lacks patience. When we do well and come close every other guy want to rebuild because it wasn't enough, and when we need to take a step back and shake things up and regroup every other guy want to keep everyone and get like not one, but the two top UFA Ds on the market (Shatty and Smith).

There are no shortcuts. And there will definitely never be any guarantees unless you can get a hold of a Messier.

Edit: For the sake of correctness, Shatty will not get paid as an Elite UFA in AAV but he will in years and around 7m per is a very expensive commitment for 7 years.
 
I think some of y'all are over valuing Raanta a bit in a Step + Raanta deal. I don't think all the young high upside players are as available as y'all think. Yes, they need a player like Step and they need a solid goaltender but there are options out there for goaltenders especially with Vegas hoarding them and looking to flip 'em. If Stepan + Raanta is too expensive, Chaykrakreak will just stay firm on Stepan alone for a reasonable price and find a goaltending option elsewhere. There are younger goalies available too I believe.
 
Didn't Bob say there were also other teams that were serious? It's going to end up being a deal with someone else out of the blue.
 
It's pretty remarkable. For 2-3 weeks everyone that is anything reports that a bunch of deals has been made with Vegas that is just awaiting announcements until the big night.

Then the Vegas GM comes out and say, you know what I've not agreed on a single deal. Things are lined up but nothing OKd yet, will only make final calls on Wednesday.

So what does the clowns do that has reported these deals? They say absolutely nothing. They pretend like it's raining. I am not saying they have been wrong and George McPhee is perfectly honest, but why is nobody even talking about it? It's a bomb.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
No. Brooks said we should trade Stepan for Trouba or Faulk. If that doesn't work, trade him for Dvorak and flip Dvorak for Trouba.

If that doesn't work, trade Stepan for OEL. But then we have 4 LHD in McDonagh, OEL, Skjei and Staal. But wait! Rangers can then trade McDonagh for MacKinnon.

That is what Brooks' "writing" comes down to these days
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I am convinced Brooks should be put through the concussion protocol.
 
Lorb said:
Didn't Bob say there were also other teams that were serious? It's going to end up being a deal with someone else out of the blue.
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he did.



If Coyotes fans are banking on the boy wonder to hold firm and get Stepan at a price they like (see: Crouse+23+25+Hickey or just Crouse+7), they're either going to mutiny once he goes for much more or they'll watch him go somewhere else and they'll continue to build towards nothing.

There are more than a handful of spots where he can fit in.
 
silverfish said:
Does it make anyone else think that if a GM like Chayka has 'serious' interest in Stepan, then maybe we should just keep him?



Banned :P
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I guess we could say that for just about every player trade. The hope is that we could improve our team. The other teams GM has the same hope. I'm not in the dump Stepan camp nor the keep Stepan camp. I have an open mind to moving Step if a deal sounds great but if not I'm fine with keeping Stepan.

Do you think we should play Doan with OV so he can protect OV? :)
 
silverfish said:
Does it make anyone else think that if a GM like Chayka has 'serious' interest in Stepan, then maybe we should just keep him?
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This is the 2nd time Chayka's had serious interest in him, no? Makes you wonder what metrics Chayka has at his disposal to be all over Stepan like he is.
 
silverfish said:
Does it make anyone else think that if a GM like Chayka has 'serious' interest in Stepan, then maybe we should just keep him?
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No, not really. He checks a multitude of boxes for them besides just the ones for fancy stats.

If he wants to pay out the nose for him, then I welcome the new blood to the organization.
 
Trxjw said:
No, not really. He checks a multitude of boxes for them besides just the ones for fancy stats.

If he wants to pay out the nose for him, then I welcome the new blood to the organization.
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Dactyl said:
This is the 2nd time Chayka's had serious interest in him, no? Makes you wonder what metrics Chayka has at his disposal to be all over Stepan like he is.
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Dactyl sums up my feelings on this.

Fully knowing that Stepan checks some boxes for them perhaps outside a 'metric-based-realm', what does Chayka know that we don't? If he's willing to pay value, then by all means, but it has piqued my curiosity.
 
FLYLine27 said:
I'm not going to call out posters.

But you can look at the proposals for yourself and figure who over values him.

If he gets traded, there is going to be a lot of people here upset over what they thought would be a fair return for him. I won't be one of them.
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It has been stated time and time again that those proposals are based on the fact that Stepan isn't on the block. The Rangers do not have to trade him, unless it is an overpayment so of course posters are going to post proposals which are overpayments. The Rangers can keep Stepan if the return is 23OA and a prospect
 
Now that Doan is gone, these are the only players on Arizona who are 27 or older:

Bolland
McGinn
Richardson
Goligoski
Schenn
Connauton

There's not much there in terms of vet leadership. They need someone like Stepan for a lot more than just his stats.
 
Still taking about brooks, really cool...


Parting from Doan is an indication they aren't just going to overpay players. Maybe they take on dead cap, maybe it's to be competitive with Vegas in the "eaters of contracts" market since Vegas is getting a 1st for Clarkson. Maybe they have a deal in place for a $6.5m right hand center.
 
Dactyl said:
This is the 2nd time Chayka's had serious interest in him, no? Makes you wonder what metrics Chayka has at his disposal to be all over Stepan like he is.
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Maybe, but isn't it also possible that he over values said metrics?

Hope so, bodes well for us if the Rangers do decide to trade Stepan.
 
DutchShamrock said:
Still taking about brooks, really cool...


Parting from Doan is an indication they aren't just going to overpay players. Maybe they take on dead cap, maybe it's to be competitive with Vegas in the "eaters of contracts" market since Vegas is getting a 1st for Clarkson. Maybe they have a deal in place for a $6.5m right hand center.
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FLYLine27 said:
Where are people getting that exactly? From Brooks? The same guy you repeatedly bash? Or do we have a quote from Gorton?

We have no idea if he is or isn't. Sure sounds like he is though with multiple media outlets reporting all these rumors with him..
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It is common sense. The Rangers are under no obligation to trade him. They are obviously listening to offers, but if Gorton doesn't get fair value then he can just as easily walk away and keep Stepan.
 
silverfish said:
Dactyl sums up my feelings on this.

Fully knowing that Stepan checks some boxes for them perhaps outside a 'metric-based-realm', what does Chayka know that we don't? If he's willing to pay value, then by all means, but it has piqued my curiosity.
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Honestly, I think you're reading into it too much. Stepan is the best of what's realistically available to him in Arizona. A good top six center with term from a team that is looking perhaps towards a bit more of a youth movement and needs to replenish the pool.
 
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