Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20 Part XXV

[SA16]

Theodore was exempt from the expansion draft. Manson and Vatanen were unprotected and Anaheim got them to take Theodore to keep their hands off their established D.

Ok that explains that. I knew I must have been missing something considering what I was looking at made no sense.

 

[Lays]

Nice to see everyone hopping on the Lindholm option. Perfect fit, Kravtsov+Lundkvist+small plus would be a good basis

 

[egelband]

I do not have verified enough intell on who they are discussing from the Sharks side. Just know they've stepped up their game on asking about Georgiev.

Georgiev makes a ton of sense for SJ. Personally, I don’t see Toronto doing anything beyond dumpster diving. They’re a bunch of lightweights in big suits.

 

[RGY]

Nice to see everyone hopping on the Lindholm option. Perfect fit, Kravtsov+Lundkvist+small plus would be a good basis

Those are two premium prospects for a defenseman who is nowhere near elite. I like Lindholm, but that is overpayment. They arent making that deal by the deadline. If anything they consider Lindholm in the offseason if they can move Skjei. And by that time, the stock for Lundkvist could be even higher as it is only climbing at this point.

 

[broadwayblue]

Those are two premium prospects for a defenseman who is nowhere near elite. I like Lindholm, but that is overpayment. They arent making that deal by the deadline. If anything they consider Lindholm in the offseason if they can move Skjei. And by that time, the stock for Lundkvist could be even higher as it is only climbing at this point.

I was going to post this. I'd be pissed if we made that deal.

 

[Lays]

Those are two premium prospects for a defenseman who is nowhere near elite. I like Lindholm, but that is overpayment. They arent making that deal by the deadline. If anything they consider Lindholm in the offseason if they can move Skjei. And by that time, the stock for Lundkvist could be even higher as it is only climbing at this point.

You gotta give to get. I love Kravtsov and Lundkvist but they’re prospects in a position of strength. All we have to project at the 1LHD spot is Miller, and despite his high upside, there’s bust potential there. Lindholm is a premier shutdown D

 

[effen]

a 26 y/o Lindholm with 2 more years at a decent price for either the 8th overall+filler or Kravtsov+Lundkvist is a turbo fistpump snapcall

only in this place is a top pairing D with term barely worth a late 1st.

 

[SA16]

What if you're not exactly convinced about Lindholm being a quality 1st pairing defenseman? His results have gotten worse five years in a row.

 

[effen]

What if you're not exactly convinced about Lindholm being a quality 1st pairing defenseman? His results have gotten worse five years in a row.

that would coincide with his team overall aging out, but on said team he's a positive corsiREL player every year of his career and has played 22 mins a night the last 6 years.

idk what more you could be asking for

 

[SA16]

that would coincide with his team overall aging out, but on said team he's a positive corsiREL player every year of his career and has played 22 mins a night the last 6 years.

idk what more you could be asking for

He is a positive CorsiREL every year. It's also been less positive each of the last five years. That would be quite concerning to me for someone I'm considering trading a lot of assets and then committing large money to on an extension in two years.

 

[Avery16]

https://nypost.com/2020/01/27/disregard-this-rangers-trade-deadline-narrative/

I can promise you this: The Rangers will not keep Chris Kreider through the deadline if he is not signed to a contract extension, even if the team runs off a 13-game winning streak. The same goes for the club’s other pending unrestricted free agent — top-six winger, Jesper Fast. Similarly, the standings won’t determine whether the team keeps pending restricted free agents Tony DeAngelo and Ryan Strome.

When it comes to trades, specifically regarding Kreider, Fast, DeAngelo, Strome and Alex Georgiev, management will weigh the measure of a potential return package against the value of having the player in the lineup two, three, four and five years from now, and all that, of course, against the cold reality of the hard cap.

 

[effen]

He is a positive CorsiREL every year. It's also been less positive each of the last five years. That would be quite concerning to me for someone I'm considering trading a lot of assets and then committing large money to on an extension in two years.

there's no such thing as a sure thing. especially not one available for trade.

the prediction game is also kind of tough. 2-3 years ago the Canadiens were complete morons trading away a superior defenseman for an aging crazy expensive barnacle that was going to sink them cap wise for the next decade. All the stats said so! And right now Shea Weber is roughly 10 times the player the corpse of PK Subban is.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

https://nypost.com/2020/01/27/disregard-this-rangers-trade-deadline-narrative/

Talk about saying a lot while saying nothing at all...The Uncle Larry special

 

[n8]

I do think Buch has a great ability to get into scoring position. And he’ll get better at finishing, I’m confident. Still, I’d prefer a player a bit more robust, that’s all. I’d swap him as a nice scorer for a guy who maybe scores a little less but is a bit more of a defensive stalwart - but not clumsy either. It’s just a matter of preference for me. I think Buch is a good NHL’er with room to grow.

I see it from the perspective of where in the lineup is he slotting? What role is he playing, and is he the player we can get for that role? Unless he is taking a defensive arts crash course and turn himself into a 2-way Datsyuk type, Buch probably needs consistent top 6 time to develop into the player he currently has the tools for. I think the prototypical lineup makeup is
Line 1: Scoring 1
Line 2: Scoring 2
Line 3: Top matchup shutdown
Line 4: Energy/PK capable
Don't know how DQ sees it but we currently don't have much of a shutdown line.

 

[Thirty One]

Talk about saying a lot while saying nothing at all...The Uncle Larry special

Keeping Jesper Fast without an extension being off the table was kind of a revelation for me.

 

[RGY]

a 26 y/o Lindholm with 2 more years at a decent price for either the 8th overall+filler or Kravtsov+Lundkvist is a turbo fistpump snapcall

only in this place is a top pairing D with term barely worth a late 1st.

Yea only in this place is someone not willing to trade the house for a borderline top pair defenseman. Like Lindholm but he is by no means a top pair defenseman. Maybe on the Ducks he is, but he is a 2nd pair defenseman on a lot of other teams. And he will be due a new contract in just 2 years. This board HATES having to pay 28+ year olds. So great we deal our very best assets for a slight upgrade to what Brady Skjei is. And i am one of Skjei’s biggest critics, but can acknowledge he is in over his head with his role here.

You trade prospects like Lundkvist and Kravtsov, 8th overall picks, for elite players in there prime. You wait until the offseason or next offseason and there will be another team like the Ducks making the transition towards a rebuild. A better player than Lindholm will become available.

 

[NYR Viper]

Off topic as it’s not the Rangers but I wonder if Minnesota would consider a trade of Zuccarello to Dallas while retaining say $500k. I know Dallas didn’t like the term but that team is in its window and rolling. They still need more scoring. They know Zuccarello fits. Minnesota may be looking to shed contracts to facilitate at least some reinvention in the offseason.

 

[motopanekeku]

Keeping Jesper Fast without an extension being off the table was kind of a revelation for me.

An extension is the only thing that would keep the player around for when we are ready to push for cups

Edit i think i missed your sarcasm

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Its fine to want Lindholm, but they are not trading an 8th overall pick for him. Heck they a late 1st is pushing it.

Rangers want to improve the LD, its gona be via a hockey trade imo. Something like Buch + 2nd or 3rd round pick. Maybe for Nurse. Edmonton could use forward depth. Thats the type of matchup.

You dont start trading 1st round picks, especially high ones. Thats how you end up back where we were. The window closes sooner because you dont have cheap talent on ELCs ready to filter in with the cap world. When Boyle, Pouliot, Stralman and trade of Hagelin happened, we didnt have the depth/talent to replace them.

No shortcuts. And no I dont consider signing Panarin a shortcut. An elite player who did not cost you assets to acquire.

hardcore

 

[effen]

Lindholm has been 1st or 2nd on the Ducks in ice time every year of his career, including their two conference finals years. "2nd pairing defenseman". ok.

If rumors are to be believed, Edmonton was very close to trading the 8th overall for Pavel Buchnevich at the draft. "elite players in their prime." ok.

I've seen them both and Lindholm is better than Skjei by a solid clip. All the defensemen on this team are propped up in a big way by the superior goaltending everyone has just gotten used to over the last 15 years, Skjei included.

 

[Thirty One]

An extension is the only thing that would keep the player around for when we are ready to push for cups

Edit i think i missed your sarcasm

This is a rare case when someone thinks I was being sarcastic and I wasn’t. I assumed that based on what they might get for him and how much they like having him around that letting it play out past the deadline would be an option.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I can GUARANTEE these players will be traded if they are not kept through the trade deadline. Oh Larry.

 

[ETTER DE]

I walk away from Fast at 4x3.5

For all the talk of how much Rangers like Fast, all points to Fast not re-signing. He was given 1,85 mill last time around. Vesey was valued at 2,25. Spooner and Namestnikov at 4,0 mill. Gorton clearly does not value what he brings that much. As another poster wrote, he will get a better contract elsewere.

 

[Leetch3]

https://nypost.com/2020/01/27/disregard-this-rangers-trade-deadline-narrative/

so basically rangers management's plan is to try to do their job

 

[RiffyNYR61]

I can GUARANTEE these players will be traded if they are not kept through the trade deadline. Oh Larry.

Not what he said. He said if they don’t have contracts by the deadline they’ll be dealt.

it was a say-nothing article, but don’t mischaracterize.