Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20 Part XXV

[Fitzy]

I really don't see us getting Labanc or Kapanen for Georgiev.

Then we shouldn't trade him.

 

[Edge]

Just saying, the thought was

@Edge "Panarin, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Kakko, Strome, Labanc, Kravtsov, Chytil, Lauko, Lemieux, Frederic, Fast, and Barron"

= I think, 9 expansion draft eligible forwards where Rangers could likely protect 7

Panarin, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Strome, Labanc, Chytil, Lemieux, Frederic, Fast

Which 2 are not protected?

If it's one they just traded for, and he is taken, was that really a good asset to take in said trade? Or would we assume they take Fast?

In that scenario I would say Fast, Fredric or Strome are potential candidates, but that’s a tough question to ask without knowing how things progress.

Strome could be here until Chytil claims the spot. Buch is a trade option, especially for a LD. Fast staying is 50/50. Who’s to say Fredric becomes what the Rangers hope? I think it’s about options first, because as we’ve seen, the odds of everyone working out and being here at the same. If everything falls into place, you still either deal from a position of strength or you make deals to balance the roster. Neither path is a a huge detriment.

 

[Edge]

Then we shouldn't trade him.

If they can’t get a guy they really want in move this season, I think they push back until the off-season. I think they would revisit a package trade then.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ideally Kravstov makes the jump next year and Kakko is a more consistent top 6 RW

If we make the optimistic assumption that we get a middle 6 LW somewhere from the respective Kreider and Georgiev deals

C - Zib, Strome, Chytil, Howden (tentative because 4C is replaceable)
RW - Kakko, Buch, Kravstov, Fast (tentative because of contract)
LW - Panarin, Lemiuex, traded for player (maybe, could be a RW too)

RD - Trouba, Fox, Deangelo
LD - Skjei, Lindgren

Then we are looking for a Top 6 reliable LW, and a Top 4 defensively reliable LD

Enter Hampus Lindholm.

Exit Skjei

DeAngelo goes to the left side, figure the rest out.

 

[Tawnos]

Just saying, the thought was

@Edge "Panarin, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Kakko, Strome, Labanc, Kravtsov, Chytil, Lauko, Lemieux, Frederic, Fast, and Barron"

= I think, 9 expansion draft eligible forwards where Rangers could likely protect 7

Panarin, Zibanejad, Buchnevich, Strome, Labanc, Chytil, Lemieux, Frederic, Fast

Which 2 are not protected?

If it's one they just traded for, and he is taken, was that really a good asset to take in said trade? Or would we assume they take Fast?

Wouldn’t the ability to hang onto an NHL player be considered a benefit of a trade? It provides a buffer where the Rangers can better afford to lose someone, even if that someone was someone they just acquired. They’re in a better position in that case than otherwise.

 

[Alluckks]

Assume: Kreider for late 1st + prospect; Georgiev in some kind of deal to get a 3rd line winger (either at TDL or in offseason, doesn't matter); Rangers get 8th overall

Skjei + 1st (from Kreider trade) for Keller/Connor/Nylander
8th overall + Zac Jones + B prospect/Howden for Lindholm

Ideally:

Keller Zib Buch
Panarin Strome Kakko
Kapenan Chytil Kravstov
Lemiex Howden Fast

Lindholm Trouba
Deangelo Fox
Lindgren Lundkvist

Shesty
Lundqvist

That could be a really good team

 

[RGY]

All depends on what teams are willing to move.

Colorado makes a lot of sense, but they don’t seem to want to move their top prospects, and there’s not as much to like once you get beyond Newhook, and to a lesser extent, Kaut.

Rangers like Jost, but the value there continues to drop. So Colorado might be willing to go there now, where they previously hesitated, but the Rangers might want more at this point.

And this why I think the Rangers prefer Boston. I think Boston has more NHL ready players, no matter where their career projects. Player X could top out as a 1st liner or 3rd liner but they are still closer to the NHL than Colorado’s prospects that are raw or not as enticing. I think the Rangers would prefer the Boston package over Jost being the headliner.

I think if the Rangers can get one of the offers to be a 1st + + then I think Boston can provide that. They have so many players that could play NHL minutes right now, if they arent already. Not saying any or all of these players would be available but Bjork, Frederick, JFK, Studnicka, etc. And more of course. They have the 1st rounders who havent panned out, that could be a 3rd throw in to put it over the top, Zboril and Senyshyn*.

 

[SA16]

Strome is not a candidate to be left unprotected in expansion.

 

[RGY]

Assume: Kreider for late 1st + prospect; Georgiev in some kind of deal to get a 3rd line winger; Rangers get 8th overall

Skjei + 1st (from Kreider trade) for Keller/Connor/Nylander
8th overall + Zac Jones + B prospect/Howden for Lindholm

Ideally:

Keller Zib Buch
Panarin Strome Kakko
Kapenan Chytil Kravstov
Lemiex Howden Fast

Lindholm Trouba
Deangelo Fox
Lindgren Lundkvist

Shesty
Lundqvist

That could be a really good team

If they traded the 8th overall pick period for Hampus Lindholm I’d shit a brick and ask for Gorton’s head. The infatuation with Lindholm is getting to boiling point of absolute absurdity.

You keep the 8th overall and draft the best forward on the board. OR, you package it with other assets to move up as high as you can.

 

[Alluckks]

Lindholm is 26, Anaheim basically has to start from the ground floor for a rebuild right now. I don't think it is inconceivable that he could be had. Nurse is another good name to watch, but is of course not as prominent at Lindholm.

 

[Avery16]

Strome is not a candidate to be left unprotected in expansion.

You’re right, he should be moved prior to

 

[RGY]

Lindholm is 26, Anaheim basically has to start from the ground floor for a rebuild right now. I don't think it is inconceivable that he could be had. Nurse is another good name to watch, but is of course not as prominent at Lindholm.

Its fine to want Lindholm, but they are not trading an 8th overall pick for him. Heck they a late 1st is pushing it.

Rangers want to improve the LD, its gona be via a hockey trade imo. Something like Buch + 2nd or 3rd round pick. Maybe for Nurse. Edmonton could use forward depth. Thats the type of matchup.

You dont start trading 1st round picks, especially high ones. Thats how you end up back where we were. The window closes sooner because you dont have cheap talent on ELCs ready to filter in with the cap world. When Boyle, Pouliot, Stralman and trade of Hagelin happened, we didnt have the depth/talent to replace them.

No shortcuts. And no I dont consider signing Panarin a shortcut. An elite player who did not cost you assets to acquire.

 

[SA16]

You’re right, he should be moved prior to

That is part one of it, yea. And part two is if you think he is good enough to be worthy of an extension then it is completely inconsistent to think he is not good enough to be protected a year later when if he was as good as you thought you'd be able to trade him for something of value prior to expansion.

 

[NYR Viper]

If, by the time the expansion draft comes around, this organization has a multitude of options of who to protect/trade/expose that’s a good problem to have. Let’s all hope that’s the case.

 

[bobbop]

All depends on what teams are willing to move.

Colorado makes a lot of sense, but they don’t seem to want to move their top prospects, and there’s not as much to like once you get beyond Newhook, and to a lesser extent, Kaut.

Rangers like Jost, but the value there continues to drop. So Colorado might be willing to go there now, where they previously hesitated, but the Rangers might want more at this point.

Quote from former NHL scout today...”Sakic is so cheap he probably still has his first communion money”

 

[SA16]

Anyway, from what I've heard based on comments by Team Presidents and GMs is that fans worry too much about the expansion draft. They were mostly saying they can figure it out as it gets closer and make side deals to protect certain players like they did last time. Nobody is really losing anyone that they really care to keep. Look at MIN last time to protect all their defense.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Anyway, from what I've heard based on comments by Team Presidents and GMs is that fans worry too much about the expansion draft. They were mostly saying they can figure it out as it gets closer and make side deals to protect certain players like they did last time. Nobody is really losing anyone that they really care to keep. Look at MIN last time to protect all their defense.

Trading Tuch to do so. Not worth it

 

[SA16]

Quote from former NHL scout today...”Sakic is so cheap he probably still has his first communion money”

Is being cheap supposed to be an insult towards him? Because as far as I can tell all it means is that he isn't willing to make a bad deal. Seemed to work quite well for him with Duchene

 

[SA16]

Trading Tuch to do so. Not worth it

I mean a huge percentage of this forum has been going on recently about how Tuch isn't any good so was it?

 

[Avery16]

Anyway, from what I've heard based on comments by Team Presidents and GMs is that fans worry too much about the expansion draft. They were mostly saying they can figure it out as it gets closer and make side deals to protect certain players like they did last time. Nobody is really losing anyone that they really care to keep. Look at MIN last time to protect all their defense.

shea theodore

 

[Leetch3]

Trading Tuch to do so. Not worth it

most of the teams that made side deals ended up far worse off than if they just sat back and let vegas take a player...

 

[RangersFan1994]

most of the teams that made side deals ended up far worse off than if they just sat back and let vegas take a player...

I know and it is so true that it happens like that. I know some fans wanted to trade to a pick to protect Lindberg. I recall some fans willing to do that

 

[SA16]

shea theodore

Eh. They were either going to lose Theodore or Manson no matter what. That was sort of a pointless trade. If they didn't make it Vegas would have just selected him anyway (assuming Vegas preferred him to Manson considering they didn't get anything in addition unless you counted Stoner so if Vegas preferred Manson they would have just not done it).

 

[Thirty One]

Eh. They were either going to lose Theodore or Manson no matter what. That was sort of a pointless trade. If they didn't make it Vegas would have just selected him anyway (assuming Vegas preferred him to Manson considering they didn't get anything in addition unless you counted Stoner so if Vegas preferred Manson they would have just not done it).

Theodore was exempt from the expansion draft. Manson and Vatanen were unprotected and Anaheim got them to take Theodore to keep their hands off their established D.

 

[Off Sides]

Rangers trading for someone they'd expose in an expansion draft makes me think they'd be better off trading for whatever pick/prospect is equivalent to said player which would not play a part in expansion.