So you would deal Kreider for a nice return then in return flip some of those assets say a 2nd rounder in another deal For day Smith
What’s the difference if it’s with or without Kreider ? All the same in the end
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So you would deal Kreider for a nice return then in return flip some of those assets say a 2nd rounder in another deal For day Smith
What’s the difference if it’s with or without Kreider ? All the same in the end
Why would we attach the 2nd rounder or any asset of value to Smith.
We. Will. Just. Buy. Him. Out. At. That. Point
Its very simple. They have options. If they cant move Smith with a 3rd round pick or less attached then you buy him out.
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What are you hearing from the inside, Jake from State Farm?
LiveLongandProspal
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I am not 100% sure how these things work nowadays, but the players are insured so Ottawa aren’t paying the full Gaborik salary if any.
Well I mean for the upteenth time that this has been refuted, we do not want to “simply” take less for our last high quality asset. It is not necessary to attach a bad contract to him to accomplish what we want to do.
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He would also have to prove he’s not a healthy scratch because of #issues
I’m sure that a 1 yr deal for him won’t be the end of the universe and a problem we would like to have next season when the cap situation is a bit more rosy (1yr contracts much more moveable than 2-year, buyouts are much easier etc)
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I hate to say this, and maybe it’s just me facing reality, but I’m not as opposed as I was to a buyout anymore. It’s is what it is (after Trouba and Panarin). If we have to take our meds because those contracts are that toxic so be it.
It will be nice not having to watch one or two of Smith, Staal or Kirk nightly.
It will be nice not having to watch one or two of Smith, Staal or Kirk nightly.
Or it hasn’t been done yet because the Rangers are still evaluating their own situation while monitoring the other teams in the NHL to see what they do in the next couple of weeks, especially with arbitration cases to deal with.
Just because something hasn’t been done at the convenience of your time, doesn’t mean it isn’t going to happen and the door is shut.
They could have potential deals lined up which are contingent on certain things happening for those teams.
A Smith buyout would not hamstring this team by any means.
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We are rebuilding, we shouldn’t be signing these type of deals.
Tony has no leverage. His QO has automatically expired. Offer him 6 years at 4m per. It’s fair. He has two options. (i) Sign that contract or (ii) play the following 4 years in the KHL until he become an UFA and sign with another team.
GMs in this league has — zero — leverage, after the player gets arbitration rights. When the player gets arbitration rights he can opt to sign 1-2 year deals until he become 25-27 y/o and get fair pay along the way. Before the player gets arbitration rights, the GMs has — all — leverage. The player can hold out, but for how long is he willing to do that? The other option is taking the QO. That sucks. If the GM sticks a low ball long term deal to a player they can be without — what can the player do?
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Team in cap trouble:
Calgary
RFA's - Tkachuk, Rittich, Bennett
~$9.97m in cap space
will most likely send down another d-man so that may create ~$750k in space
- Not fitting everyone
New York Rangers
Well known
Vegas Golden Knights
RFA's - Gusev
~-$4.5m in cap space right now (this does not include the Clarkson LTIR 5.25m in cap space)
- Not fitting Gusev even if he takes $4m
Toronto Male Leafs
Marner
~$3.765m in cap space (this does not include the LTIR for Horton @ $5.3m)
They will most likely send down 1 forward and 1 d-man for an additional $1.5m in savings
Marner is not signing for ~$9.5m per season.
Vancouver Canucks
Boeser, Goldobin
$5.058m in cap space
Will most likely send down 2 forwards and a d-man, say that creates another $2.5m in cap space
They are going to be very tight, I would imagine Boeser takes that up himself
St Louis Blues
Edmudson, Barbeshev
~$4.37m in cap space
They will probably send down (1) player for an additional $750k in cap space
Edmundson made $3m last year, so I doubt they can make this work
Calgary
RFA's - Tkachuk, Rittich, Bennett
~$9.97m in cap space
will most likely send down another d-man so that may create ~$750k in space
- Not fitting everyone
New York Rangers
Well known
Vegas Golden Knights
RFA's - Gusev
~-$4.5m in cap space right now (this does not include the Clarkson LTIR 5.25m in cap space)
- Not fitting Gusev even if he takes $4m
Toronto Male Leafs
Marner
~$3.765m in cap space (this does not include the LTIR for Horton @ $5.3m)
They will most likely send down 1 forward and 1 d-man for an additional $1.5m in savings
Marner is not signing for ~$9.5m per season.
Vancouver Canucks
Boeser, Goldobin
$5.058m in cap space
Will most likely send down 2 forwards and a d-man, say that creates another $2.5m in cap space
They are going to be very tight, I would imagine Boeser takes that up himself
St Louis Blues
Edmudson, Barbeshev
~$4.37m in cap space
They will probably send down (1) player for an additional $750k in cap space
Edmundson made $3m last year, so I doubt they can make this work
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If the Rangers buyout Staal and/or Smith, they have replacements coming from within. All of those guys (Rykov, Lindgren, Hajek) areon ELC's for 2 more years. That covers the cost difference between his year and next year
Let's take a look, assuming the following players replace them this year and next:
Hajek = $.833m this year and next
Rykov = $.925m this year and next
Smith
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Staal
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Cap hit 2019-20
$970,933 + $2,900,000 + $833,333 + $925,000 = $5,629,266 cap hit
VS
$5.7m + $4.525m = $10,225,000
Savings = $4,595,734
Cap Hit 2020-21
$3,145,833 + $3,700,000 + $833,333 + $925,000 = $8,604,166
VS
$5.7m + $4.525m = $10,225,000
Savings = $1,620,834
When looking at it from this viewpoint, it's difficult to not buy out both players. Yes there is a collective dead cap hit of $2,345,833 n years 3 + 4 but you will still have Hajek and Rykov on good deals just coming out of their ELC's.
I would argue that it would be MORE important to continue back-filling organizational depth to keep good, cheap youn talent coming up rather than attaching any bad contract to someone like Kreider. The value of a young player like ADA, Hajek, Rykov, Andersson, Chytil, FAR EXCEEDS the loss of a small amount of cap space 3 and 4 years from now
Let's take a look, assuming the following players replace them this year and next:
Hajek = $.833m this year and next
Rykov = $.925m this year and next
Smith
| SEASON | INITIAL BASE SALARY | INITIAL CAP HIT | SIGNING BONUS | BUYOUT COST | POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS | SAVINGS | CAP HIT (
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| 2019-20 | $4,525,000 | $4,350,000 | $0 | $1,145,833 | $1,145,833 | $3,379,167 | $970,833 |
| 2020-21 | $2,350,000 | $4,350,000 | $1,000,000 | $1,145,833 | $2,145,833 | $1,204,167 | $3,145,833 |
| 2021-22 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $1,145,833 | $1,145,833 | -$1,145,833 | $1,145,833 |
| 2022-23 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $1,145,833 | $1,145,833 | -$1,145,833 | $1,145,833 |
Staal
| SEASON | INITIAL BASE SALARY | INITIAL CAP HIT | SIGNING BONUS | BUYOUT COST | POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS | SAVINGS | CAP HIT (
|
| 2019-20 | $4,000,000 | $5,700,000 | $1,000,000 | $1,200,000 | $2,200,000 | $2,800,000 | $2,900,000 |
| 2020-21 | $3,200,000 | $5,700,000 | $1,000,000 | $1,200,000 | $2,200,000 | $2,000,000 | $3,700,000 |
| 2021-22 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $1,200,000 | $1,200,000 | -$1,200,000 | $1,200,000 |
| 2022-23 | $0 | $0 | $0 | $1,200,000 | $1,200,000 | -$1,200,000 | $1,200,000 |
Cap hit 2019-20
$970,933 + $2,900,000 + $833,333 + $925,000 = $5,629,266 cap hit
VS
$5.7m + $4.525m = $10,225,000
Savings = $4,595,734
Cap Hit 2020-21
$3,145,833 + $3,700,000 + $833,333 + $925,000 = $8,604,166
VS
$5.7m + $4.525m = $10,225,000
Savings = $1,620,834
When looking at it from this viewpoint, it's difficult to not buy out both players. Yes there is a collective dead cap hit of $2,345,833 n years 3 + 4 but you will still have Hajek and Rykov on good deals just coming out of their ELC's.
I would argue that it would be MORE important to continue back-filling organizational depth to keep good, cheap youn talent coming up rather than attaching any bad contract to someone like Kreider. The value of a young player like ADA, Hajek, Rykov, Andersson, Chytil, FAR EXCEEDS the loss of a small amount of cap space 3 and 4 years from now
SA16
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I don't see the problem for STL. Edmundson won't be very expensive and Barbashev isn't good. 5.82M seems like way more than enough.
NYR Viper
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Most GM's say they want to have about $1.5-2m going into a season so they can make in-season moves. Specifically Armstrong has sad he wants as much
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What do we save if we buy out Kakko?
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lets let camp happen.
im certain there will be guys making this roster we didnt expect and there may be some surprises the other way.
injuries. poor camps. guys that just arent ready. guys that grab attention and an opportunity.
good teams in todays cap world need to have productive players on ELC's playing big minutes. were in a good spot for that to happen. potentially this team could have as many as 4 rooks playing this year. crazy.
august is gonna drag.
lets go already
im certain there will be guys making this roster we didnt expect and there may be some surprises the other way.
injuries. poor camps. guys that just arent ready. guys that grab attention and an opportunity.
good teams in todays cap world need to have productive players on ELC's playing big minutes. were in a good spot for that to happen. potentially this team could have as many as 4 rooks playing this year. crazy.
august is gonna drag.
lets go already
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What would be the cap breakdown if we buy out August?
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The Blues aren't 4.35M under. They are 6M under. 4.35M under is counting a 21 man roster before Barbahsev/Edmundson sign. You have to remove Schamltz and MacEachren from CF.
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As a sharks fan, this deal would be perfect for us and lines up with comparable trades in the past. Except smith. We just have zero room to take on that contract unless you are taking other guys back which it doesn’t seem like you can.
How are you fitting Kreider and Smith under the cap? And thats with 50% retained in mind.
Currently have 11 forwards and 8 D listed.
Seems like you would be jumping through hoops to make this happen, as would most teams.
And this while still having the intention of bringing back Thornton.
NYR Viper
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You're correct, I was looking quickly. I said they would be able to send down 1 player, it looks like it will be two for a total of ~$1.5m more in cap space. That leaves $6m.
Edmundson probably wants $3.5m or so. Barbeshev probably is looking at $2-2.5m
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