Speculation: Roster Building LX: The Return of Cap(tain) Crunch aka LB Bus Stop Theme

[DanielBrassard]

How are you fitting Kreider and Smith under the cap? And thats with 50% retained in mind.

Currently have 11 forwards and 8 D listed.

Seems like you would be jumping through hoops to make this happen, as would most teams.

And this while still having the intention of bringing back Thornton.

We would have to either retain 50% for either player or take on Melker Karlsson. It would be really tough for them but it's possible

 

[NYR Viper]

I don't understand the desire to attach a negative asset to a positive one. Just buy out Smith.

 

[RGY]

We would have to either retain 50% for either player or take on Melker Karlsson. It would be really tough for them but it's possible

Okay so lets see.

$2.7 would be coming our way.

They currently have $4.682 in space without Thornton signed.

50% retained on Smith = $6.8 going to them.

Roughly $4.1 additional to their cap situation.

Leaves roughly $500k of cap space to work with. They could send down Middleton and get another $735k to work wih. That gets them to $1.2 cap space while still needing to add 2 forwards for a full lineup.

Do not see how this works one bit.

 

[RGY]

I don't understand the desire to attach a negative asset to a positive one. Just buy out Smith.

Because that just makes too much sense.

Lets diminish Kreider’s full value.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Why would we attach the 2nd rounder or any asset of value to Smith.

We. Will. Just. Buy. Him. Out. At. That. Point

Its very simple. They have options. If they cant move Smith with a 3rd round pick or less attached then you buy him out.

IN his case, yes... Shattenkirk... there's probably no other way... you guys are once again overvaluing a 50 pt. player, and he's just not gonna return what many would approve of. So it really comes down to whether they want Shattenkirk for two more years or not. Probably the last opportunity to do so.

 

[themelkman]

Okay so lets see.

$2.7 would be coming our way.

They currently have $4.682 in space without Thornton signed.

50% retained on Smith = $6.8 going to them.

Roughly $4.1 additional to their cap situation.

Leaves roughly $500k of cap space to work with. They could send down Middleton and get another $735k to work wih. That gets them to $1.2 cap space while still needing to add 2 forwards for a full lineup.

Do not see how this works one bit.

Well Thornton and Marleau can come in at minimum, and we would have to deal dell. This could leave us alright. However we have no need for a dman so smith just wouldn’t come to us in the first place unless we flip him. Take him out of the deal and add a fourth rounder from the sharks and it works much better.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Neuvirth will probably be Toronto's back up. Sparks is awful.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Neuvirth will probably be Toronto's back up. Sparks is awful.

Wasn't it Sparks that Toronto jumped through a ridiculous amount of hoops not to lose on waivers last year?

TBF he had fantastic AHL stats, but the Marlies were a stacked team when he played there.

 

[SA16]

Is Neuvirth even capable of playing more than 3 games in a row without getting injured?

 

[bobbop]

Their contracts are covered by insurance

Actually, there may be something here. Not every contract is insured or fully insured (e.g. Nathan Horton, David Clarkson)

I don’t know about MacArthur or Gaborik specifically but I imagine this is one of the many rocks that Gorton is looking under.

 

[SA16]

Actually, there may be something here. Not every contract is insured or fully insured (e.g. Nathan Horton, David Clarkson)

I don’t know about MacArthur or Gaborik specifically but I imagine this is one of the many rocks that Gorton is looking under.

They are covered I looked into this weeks ago when I had the same idea.

 

[bobbop]

They are covered I looked into this weeks ago when I had the same idea.

Both appear to be 80% covered. That still leaves money on the table.

 

[Calad]

Once beleskey, mkcegg, fox, and probably nieves sent down (and Kravtsov brought up) we have about 1.75m in cap space to sign Buch, Deangelo, and Lemieux. Buying out Shattenkirk brings us up to ~7m in space, which should be plenty to sign them all to reasonable contracts and have some space left to maneuver in season. This has the added bonus of not forcing us to move any forwards at a discount for extra cap space. If we can find a taker for Namestnikov or an actual good deal for kreider then we should not need a buyout.

 

[Thirty One]

They are covered I looked into this weeks ago when I had the same idea.

I think every contract 5 years in length or less is insured by the NHL. Beyond that, it's up to the team. The Blue Jackets didn't insure the Nathan Horton contract.

 

[Kovalev27]

You could argue that he was our second best skater last season. Kreider only showed up half the season. Zucc had issues. And so forth.

At the end, we almost exclusively created offense when TDA was on the ice.

I not only thing he’s dynamic offensively but on THAT blue line to me he was one of our best guys. Consistently got us out of trouble in our own end. His skating is so so good. You can’t ask for much more defensively from a dman that good offensively. My only knocks on this kid is his shot which if he continues to improve and use it thru screens will become an asset and just his unpredictability. Am I going to read he is getting benched for spitting in Ruffs soup or something.

If he continues to mature he’s a star in this league. Imo

 

[Fitzy]

NYR aren't likely to add much salary next offseason assuming we don't want to extend Kreider, so a Smith/Staal buyout's heavy hit next year isn't an issue. We'll be losing a big Girardi buyout chunk, and also probably shedding Kreider, Strome, and Namestnikov assuming we don't deal all or most of them this offseason.

Trade Kreider or Namestnikov

buyout Smith

Trade whichever of Kreider/Namestnikov you don't deal this offseason at the deadline.

Seems a pretty simple equation. Maybe we're overthinking it?

 

[JimmyG89]

NYR aren't likely to add much salary next offseason

Not so sure about this due to the fact that ADA and Lemieux might take 1 year deals and if they have good seasons (they should get the icetime to do it), could be in for nice raises. The bonus money from our rookies could be hit and they'll defer it to the next season would lower our cap number.

Realistically, we need to make a move that will ensure we have freed up money now and next season. Buying out Smith will not help on the 2nd half of that. It will only help them fit this season.

 

[NYR Viper]

NYR aren't likely to add much salary next offseason assuming we don't want to extend Kreider, so a Smith/Staal buyout's heavy hit next year isn't an issue. We'll be losing a big Girardi buyout chunk, and also probably shedding Kreider, Strome, and Namestnikov assuming we don't deal all or most of them this offseason.

Trade Kreider or Namestnikov

buyout Smith

Trade whichever of Kreider/Namestnikov you don't deal this offseason at the deadline.

Seems a pretty simple equation. Maybe we're overthinking it?

It would seem rather simple but I'm wondering if because so many teams are in rough financial spots it's tying up the market.

For example, if Matthew Tkachuk gets $10m per season, the Flames NEED to move Bennett. Perhaps there are teams interested in Bennett and Namestnikov but want to see what occurs there first?

Same goes for a team interested in Nylander from Toronto and a guy like Kreider. Or Gusev

If this is going to drag on forever, I'd be fine with Gorton biting the bullet and buying out both Staal and Smith. Lots of cap savings there. As you said next year shouldn't be a problem. Let a couple of young guys battle and gain experience like Rykov and Hajek or Lindgren.

 

[NYR Viper]

Not so sure about this due to the fact that ADA and Lemieux might take 1 year deals and if they have good seasons (they should get the icetime to do it), could be in for nice raises. The bonus money from our rookies could be hit and they'll defer it to the next season would lower our cap number.

Realistically, we need to make a move that will ensure we have freed up money now and next season. Buying out Smith will not help on the 2nd half of that. It will only help them fit this season.

I really don't see them needing to roll over money to next year. Even if they retain Namestnikov and Kreider until the deadline, the fact that they will most likely trade them at the deadline and replace them with young inexpensive players at that time, they will bank additional cap savings to cover their possible bonuses from that point on.

 

[Fitzy]

Not so sure about this due to the fact that ADA and Lemieux might take 1 year deals and if they have good seasons (they should get the icetime to do it), could be in for nice raises. The bonus money from our rookies could be hit and they'll defer it to the next season would lower our cap number.

Realistically, we need to make a move that will ensure we have freed up money now and next season. Buying out Smith will not help on the 2nd half of that. It will only help them fit this season.

Maybe. But not qualifying or trading Strome helps handle that issue.

There's also the chance that if Shattenkirk has an OK season but is still seen as surplus to requirements for NYR next offseason that he could be moved out even at partial salary. I don't think that both ADA and Shattenkirk will be in blue come fall 2020- either one or the other will be gone.

 

[RGY]

Well Thornton and Marleau can come in at minimum, and we would have to deal dell. This could leave us alright. However we have no need for a dman so smith just wouldn’t come to us in the first place unless we flip him. Take him out of the deal and add a fourth rounder from the sharks and it works much better.

Seems like very, very wishful thinking that Thornton and Marleau are going to sign for the league minimum. And that is putting it very gently for you.

 

[nyr2k2]

I can't wait for the next move, just so we have a better idea of where this is going. I feel like every five pages, the discussion in this sequence of threads just repeats itself.

Quick, no one has posted a CapFriendly breakdown if we buy out Staal for like three pages!

 

[TheTakedown]

Both appear to be 80% covered. That still leaves money on the table.

Not much though...

Gaborik is owed $6.25M over the next 2 years. The 20% remaining not covered comes to $1.25M, or $625k/year. That's basically NHL minimum salary. Acquiring Gaborik theoretically allows us to go $4,875,000 over the cap (his cap hit).

MacArthur is owed $4.65M for just this next year. The 20% remaining not covered comes to $950k. Again, basically NHL minimum salary. Acquiring Gaborik theoretically allows us to go $4,650,000 over the cap (his cap hit).

The problem is that Ottawa is $600k over the cap floor. Moving these two deals means they need $10M in new cap space to fill. Chances are they aren't getting that in terms of LTIR dollars.

I don't see this happening

 

[bobbop]

Unfortunately, the buyout window slams shut three days after Buchnevich signs or arbitration decision is rendered. Gorton has no choice but to move expeditiously.

 

[Tawnos]

Unfortunately, the buyout window slams shut three days after Buchnevich signs or arbitration decision is rendered. Gorton has no choice but to move expeditiously.

I, personally, don't find that unfortunate at all.