Kings News: Robyn Regehr to LA for 2nd in 2014, 2nd in 2015

[BackOnTopic]

Well I'm glad so many people like the deal, I just don't see the point in trading for an older, slower, less physical Matt Greene when we got Matt Greene coming back. And it's not because I don't think the Kings shouldn't be going for it, it's just that I don't think Regehr makes the Kings a better team once Greene is back. By then Regehr will essentially be playing in place of either Muzzin or Martinez and is he really an awesome upgrade from those guys? Sure he's got more experience but Muzzin's been lights out and we know Martinez can be a real solid player if he settles down.

For what we need, he is a HUGE upgrade over Ellerby or Martinez (nobody's replacing Muzzin at this point). Right now, our bottom pairing is Ellerby and Martinez, and for our PK we are rotating Doughty, Scuderi, Voynov, and Ellerby. I don't know about you, but I am scared whenever that bottom pairing has to defend anything. And while Ellerby has filled in ok on the PK, we don't have many weaker areas, but that sure is one of them.

I could care less if Regehr is slow or doesn't contribute the points that Martinez does. For all I care, he doesn't even need to cross the red line (ok fine, attacking blue line). All he has to do is shut down our zone and clear the crease, and replace Ellerby on PK, and in my book he has earned his keep.

Maybe you're right, maybe he and Green are repetitive, maybe Green is a little bit better even, but we sure do miss Green on the PK and in defensive situations, and if Regehr can fill Greene's shoes even 80% until he comes back, I'll be more than happy. Plus, if he is paired with Doughty, he'll allow Doughty to move up and attack more, and will be an extra defender to help clear the crease and allow Quick to be Quick.

Doughty/Regehr
Voynov/Scuderi
Muzzin/Ellerby or Martinez

Move Muzzin up and Regehr down as the game dictates (e.g., when we're down and need to score, when our forecheck is buzzing, etc). Regehr isn't going to be on the PP, so his minutes will be sheltered to ES and PK time, and there should be plenty of times Sutter will choose to move Muzzin up, so Regehr's TOI will stay below 20:00.

 

[Stanley Cup 2012]

Fans complaining about the Regehr trade should chill out. Kings are rarely in a position to win it all so we all should feel fortunate to be in this position to make this trade instead of thinking about future players who wont be ready for 4-6 years. we have to focus on this season and thats to win back-to-back Stanley Cup trophies.

 

[Omni Owl]

lolwut?!?

I'm worried about him with the way he plays, because this year it looks to me like he's lost a step. I'm hoping he's just saving it for the playoffs.

 

[BigBrown]

I understand your sentiment and to some degree, agree with you that RR may not be much of an upgrade. However, I'm willing to wait and see how he performs with his new team. I'm a big proponent of change of scenery. And I think RR willing to waive his NTC to play for Sutter and the kings, tells me he's motivated to be here.

Hey I'm all for giving the guy his shot, I hope he's healthy and plays the best damn hockey of his career. I think we all can agree on that

I see your point Big Brown, but RR is replacing Willie Mitchell, not Greene. Mitchell is done for this year and who knows about next year (the last year of his two year deal).

From what I can gather his playstyle is more akin to Matt Greene's than Willie Mitchell's, that's why I said he's another Greene when we already have Greene. Obviously it's Willie Mitchell's spot in the lineup we need to fill and to be fair there aren't many players around the league who can fill that void, certainly not ones available on the trade market.

Muzzin has been 'lights out' from an offensive standpoint, not even close on the defensive side. I feel come playoff time, he'll be a liability...not that he doesn't have the potential to get there, he's young, his time will come.

Doughty
Scuderi
Voynov
Greene
Reghyr
Martinez

True, Regehr certainly provides a ton of insurance in that regard and he'll most definitely be able to solidify things defensively if Muzzin or Martinez aren't playing up to par in their own zone. Unfortunately there is a price that comes with him playing in their place, the puck movement aspect of the game (and in case of Muzzin, the power play) will take a hit... but if he has a real impact defensively and on the PK that's a switch that could probably be worth it.

We don't know if Greene will be back for sure, or how effective he will be. And we know Scuderi is struggling and Mitchell is done for the season.

That's a fair point, if Greene isn't coming back (or comes back and struggles big time) we're most definitely in real trouble.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

For what we need, he is a HUGE upgrade over Ellerby or Martinez (nobody's replacing Muzzin at this point).

I think you're way off there. Not sure if you have forgotten, but Martinez played in every single playoff game last year and is now sporting a Stanley Cup ring. I don't see Sutter playing Muzzin over Martinez once the playoffs start.

 

[Dropdapuck]

Those of you who don't like or are worried about Regehr's abilities, why do you distrust the organization's pro scouts/DL? Sure, they made some bad trades early on but have been outstanding these last few years. Your best argument might be to compare RR to Penner but even he had an important role in the run to the cup.

 

[kingsfan]

HF boards where people are upset at trading away two 2nd round picks including one 2 years out.

It's an overpayment. Why do we all have to be excited and smiles when we feel it's a trade in which we overpaid? I get why the deal was made, and I am happy we're going for it. But we overpaid, regardless of what the 'market' dictates.

I see your point Big Brown, but RR is replacing Willie Mitchell, not Greene. Mitchell is done for this year and who knows about next year (the last year of his two year deal).

Also, Scuderi is a UFA, same with RR and Mitchell and Greene are both one season away from being UFA's. So Kings have just need to pick which 3 of the 4 they want long term. RR is younger than both Scud's and Willie.

Lol. It's not that simple. Scuds hasn't signed yet for a reason, and RR hasn't even made it to LA yet. We don't get to just pick who we want to keep.

 

[BackOnTopic]

I think you're way off there. Not sure if you have forgotten, but Martinez played in every single playoff game last year and is now sporting a Stanley Cup ring. I don't see Sutter playing Muzzin over Martinez once the playoffs start.

point taken. Martinez has looked shaky since coming back, it would be great if he could regain last year's swagger. but whether it's Muzzin or Martinez that gets the PMD call (god we have an embarrassment of riches), it doesn't change Regehr's role on the team.

 

[kingsfan]

Those of you who don't like or are worried about Regehr's abilities, why do you distrust the organization's pro scouts/DL? Sure, they made some bad trades early on but have been outstanding these last few years. Your best argument might be to compare RR to Penner but even he had an important role in the run to the cup.

I don't dislike getting Regehr, I dislike how much we paid to get Regehr.

 

[KingsCorona]

(god we have an embarrassment of riches)

Seriously, it really is hilarious to have to consider which of our elite young PMDs we need to put on healthy scratch while so many teams in the rest of the league scramble to sign ONE (and fail!). Looking at all our current players and upcoming prospects makes me wish we could roll 6 lines

 

[Puck U]

He'll fit right in ... and Johnny Utah me thinks is running around jumping for joy like a little school girl

* be sure to note the spittle dripping down off his chin, guy looks possessed like a rabid dog ready to kill someone

 

[deeshamrock]

Sutter today on RR:

On whether Regehr’s addition adds a “degree of flexibility†to the lineup:
“He replaces Willie Mitchell. It’s pretty much clear. He plays the same minutes, plays the same role.â€

On how he would describe Regehr, using “one lineâ€:
“It’s what his identity is. Good pro. Good leader. Good competitor. He’s a winner.â€



On Regehr’s penalty killing history:
“If a player has spent a lot of time killing penalties in his career, that means that he’s probably a prety good penalty killer.â€

 

[kingsfan]

On Regehr’s penalty killing history:
“If a player has spent a lot of time killing penalties in his career, that means that he’s probably a pretty good penalty killer.â€

 

[Rorschach]

That face should be enough to tame the likes of Frolik. And with Jagr gone to the East, things are lookin' up.

 

[Rorschach]

And when Greene does come back, we'll have a shutdown pair in Regher and Greene, even though it's not really the Kings' style.

 

[MsMeow]

It's an overpayment. Why do we all have to be excited and smiles when we feel it's a trade in which we overpaid? I get why the deal was made, and I am happy we're going for it. But we overpaid, regardless of what the 'market' dictates.



Lol. It's not that simple. Scuds hasn't signed yet for a reason, and RR hasn't even made it to LA yet. We don't get to just pick who we want to keep.

It's not an overpayment if the market dictates the return, and this year it's all about defencemen. It's not about goalies right now but that will change at some point. And as far as Scuds go, the reason a deal hasn't been signed very well could be that Lombardi has backed off since Scuds hasn't been playing very well.

 

[KINGS17]

And when Greene does come back, we'll have a shutdown pair in Regher and Greene, even though it's not really the Kings' style.

It can be at times. Last year when the Kings were protecting a lead late in a game with a faceoff in the Kings' zone you would see some combination of Scuderi/Mitchell/Greene out there.

Regehr at least gives Sutter that option now with Doughty/Scuderi/Regehr. I think Doughty has become a much more complete defenseman this season. Having to go without Mitchell this long might have been the best thing to further his development.

When Greene comes back I suspect that his minutes will be somewhat sheltered, at least initially.

 

[kingsfan]

It's not an overpayment if the market dictates the return, and this year it's all about defencemen. It's not about goalies right now but that will change at some point. And as far as Scuds go, the reason a deal hasn't been signed very well could be that Lombardi has backed off since Scuds hasn't been playing very well.

Just because that's the market price doesn't mean it's not an overpayment. We paid what the market dictated at the highest point in the market. We overpaid. Like I said, I understand why we did, but don't sugarcaot it. We paid a very steep price for a guy who will in all likelihood be wearing a different jersey in a few months.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

We paid a very steep price for a guy who will in all likelihood be wearing a different jersey in a few months.

But that's usually what contending teams do, right? Let's be happy were contenders and not pretenders.

 

[Omni Owl]

But that's usually what contending teams do, right? Let's be happy were contenders and not pretenders.

Thats so deep.

 

[Puck U]

Let's be happy were contenders and not pretenders.

So you're saying it's NOT OVER ?

 

[kingsfan]

But that's usually what contending teams do, right? Let's be happy were contenders and not pretenders.

Yes, you are 100% correct. And as I said, I'm glad we got him. ANd I'd have been fine with an overpayment to a degree. But I felt this was to much of an overpayment, and as such I voiced my opinion to that effect.

 

[etherialone]

Yes, you are 100% correct. And as I said, I'm glad we got him. ANd I'd have been fine with an overpayment to a degree. But I felt this was to much of an overpayment, and as such I voiced my opinion to that effect.

I can't believe the amount of grief you have been given for this opinion. We did pay too much for RR. Not allot but his price was higher then it should be. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick up or that he won't be a solid addition to the team, only that we overpaid a bit to get him.

Shero is an idiot who set the price by ridiculously overpaying for Murray and the rest is history. I hope we face the Pens in the finals so we can destroy them and send Shero home crying for that very reason.

If we had given up a second and a 5th for RR I would have been perfectly happy with the deal. Two seconds is just a bit too much to me but its a done deal and I am happy to have an extra no nonsense vet to add to the group.

RR isn't going to be THE key piece to our winning the cup but he will give us another solid Dman with some good experience so he can only help.

No need for you to have to defend your position any further kf, you have made your position clear over and over again.

 

[kingsfan]

I can't believe the amount of grief you have been given for this opinion. We did pay too much for RR. Not allot but his price was higher then it should be. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick up or that he won't be a solid addition to the team, only that we overpaid a bit to get him.

Shero is an idiot who set the price by ridiculously overpaying for Murray and the rest is history. I hope we face the Pens in the finals so we can destroy them and send Shero home crying for that very reason.

If we had given up a second and a 5th for RR I would have been perfectly happy with the deal. Two seconds is just a bit too much to me but its a done deal and I am happy to have an extra no nonsense vet to add to the group.

RR isn't going to be THE key piece to our winning the cup but he will give us another solid Dman with some good experience so he can only help.

No need for you to have to defend your position any further kf, you have made your position clear over and over again.

Lol, thanks TG.

Btw, I agree, a 2nd and a 5th (even a 4th) would have been fine with me.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I can't believe the amount of grief you have been given for this opinion. We did pay too much for RR. Not allot but his price was higher then it should be. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick up or that he won't be a solid addition to the team, only that we overpaid a bit to get him.

Shero is an idiot who set the price by ridiculously overpaying for Murray and the rest is history. I hope we face the Pens in the finals so we can destroy them and send Shero home crying for that very reason.

If we had given up a second and a 5th for RR I would have been perfectly happy with the deal. Two seconds is just a bit too much to me but its a done deal and I am happy to have an extra no nonsense vet to add to the group.

RR isn't going to be THE key piece to our winning the cup but he will give us another solid Dman with some good experience so he can only help.

No need for you to have to defend your position any further kf, you have made your position clear over and over again.

God has spoken.