Kings News: Robyn Regehr to LA for 2nd in 2014, 2nd in 2015

[RonSwanson*]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough with my point. Dean could have traded the 2nds in 2013 and 2014. He did not.

Instead, he traded the 2nds in 2014 & 2015. Based upon vast long-term trends that date back into the 70's, that 2nd in 2015 is as good as a 1st in 2013 or 2014. That's all I was trying to say....

So your entire whine fest is because you think there's some magical 12-year repeat of strong drafts, with the next big draft class arriving in 2015?

Curious... what do you think of the 2013 draft class?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Ok that's it some of you guys don't know squat, our biggest need was a hard, nasty, mean defensive defenseman to help out the young guys and help clear the crease and make quicks life easier and we did that so quit *****ing this was a good move that addressed a real glaring hole so just ****

Right, but isn't this going to mess up the 5-year plan??

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Seriously confused on whether you are joking with this or not. If you're serious then

Everytime I see that pic, he reminds me of Dustin Brown.

I seriously think that is Brown in disguise.

 

[KopitarFAN]

Right, but isn't this going to mess up the 5-year plan??

The 5 year plan was about winning a cup, they've done that. Now it's about doing what it takes to try an win again.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Win-now modes don't come around very often. I could honestly give a **** about a 2014 and 2015 2nd Round Pick. We want our GM to go all in and he's going all in. I'm still expecting another trade.

I'm glad we won the Cup, but I wish we didn't give up that 1st. It wasn't worth it...

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

The 5 year plan was about winning a cup, they've done that. Now it's about doing what it takes to try an win again.

I guess you missed the sarcasm in my post....I'm well aware they won the cup, thanks for that.

 

[kings11]

I guess you missed the sarcasm in my post....I'm well aware they won the cup, thanks for that.

With guys like Toffoli, Pearson, Vey, Muzzin, Forbort, Gravel and a few more all ready or close to ready we won't be like Chicago and TB and have to tear our team down for cap reasons, and that my friends was all part of the 5 year plan so we look good for probably the next 5-7 as prime, yearly STANLEY CUP contenders.

 

[KingsCorona]

Horrific. Is Regehr really that much of an upgrade to Martinez/Ellerby/Muzzin that you sacrifice two second round picks?

For the job of being a stay-at-home who clears the front of the net?
YES!!!!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I guess for some, having 2nd round picks would be better than winning a second consecutive Cup...

 

[takk]

I'm glad we won the Cup, but I wish we didn't give up that 1st. It wasn't worth it...

The 1st that landed Carter? Didn't that basically lead us to the final push and eventually to the cup?

 

[Winger23]

The 1st that landed Carter? Didn't that basically lead us to the final push and eventually to the cup?

He was being highly sarcastic...

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I guess for some, having 2nd round picks would be better than winning a second consecutive Cup...

This. Regehr adds a lot to this team, even outside of what he brings on the ice (big, physical defenseman, essentially exactly what we need). There's a reason teams that have already won it all recently seek veterans at the deadline. When you have a team full of players whom have already given their all to win it's tough finding that motivation in the lockerroom. Adding a guy like Regehr who is as hungry as ever to win a Cup bolsters the locker room and re-sparks that kind of motivation.

This is a savvy move by Lombardi in the midst of an anomaly of a shortened season in which we've struggled with injuries on the backend. We're technically in the first year of a 3-4 year window to annually compete for a cup and these are the kinds of moves needed to be made to get over the hump. It also gives us options moving forward next year to finalize a top 6 D core that allows DL to pick and choose from:

Doughty
Voynov
Scuderi
Muzzin
Martinez
Regehr
Mitchell
Greene
Ellerby

Not a lot of teams have that kind of luxury, which is exactly why we see teams like the Blues still looking to add impact players on the blueline this late in the game. We're insanely lucky to have TWO high impact young defensemen in Doughty and Voynov. The rest is merely plugging holes with vets and rooks.

 

[MSRinkRat]

Ok that's it some of you guys don't know squat, our biggest need was a hard, nasty, mean defensive defenseman to help out the young guys and help clear the crease and make quicks life easier and we did that so quit *****ing this was a good move that addressed a real glaring hole so just ****

I Love You

This guy ****ing gets it!

and you

Exactly.
Stop crying about the picks, when you're going all in to defend your title, you don't worry about some kid being drafted 2 years from now that might make the team 3 years beyond that.

And they will get picks for Bernier and whoever else gets traded.

RR is just what the doctor ordered, will take pressure off Doughty who can return to his normal game and will take much needed minutes from Scuds. RR is a tough hombre and will defend his zone, protect the badlands back there.

and you

 

[kingsfan]

I'd rather do the Regehr trade and bring in a player who may fit in and could possibly be signed to an extension as opposed to taking on an albatross of a contract for a player who is not known to have a high level of competitiveness in his game.

I'd rather do both.

You keep saying that the Kings can just waive a huge salary and write JBow off. Suppose the Kings put him on waivers and no one takes him. What do you do then?

Considering St. Louis was willing to give up a 1st round pick to get him, and the odds that they weren't the lone team bidding on him, do really think no one would take him for free?

Not terribly happy about this. I've been saying for YEARS that the 2015 draft will be just as deep as 2003, 1991, and 1979. Please note the 12-year patterns. Dean should have given up the 2nds in 2013 and 2014.

Oh well. He's still got a couple of years to acquire more picks for the big, big 2015 draft.

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but how brainy is this guy to begin with? I mean, who insists to have a NTC with Buffalo?

Getting a NTC is just smart, regardless of where you are. Any time you can control where you go, the better.

I don't mean to push your buttons, but the reality is, the grit is far from what it used to be. That was definitely one of the more disappointing things about his tenure in Buffalo.

Granted, playing on the Sabres can make any tough player morph into pansy-status, but he didn't do a ton of hitting or fighting compared to what I saw in Calgary.

He's also a bit too slow to find the monster checks he was finding earlier in his career.

You guys will like him, just don't expect a game changer.

How did he look under your new coach versus under Ruff? Was there any differences?

It's not that we wouldn't want it, it's that he isn't strongest at what we need most: a strong stay-at-homer who will clear the front of the net. It's all well and good that JBo can chip in offensively, but we already HAVE really good offensive D-Men. Whether he is better at it than AMart or Ellerby is irrelevant. Why trade picks for what we already have?

It's ok to upgrade what we have. I'd rather have a 2nd pairing guy who can eat 24 minutes a game so Doughty and Scuds don't have to play so much. And as I said, I'd be ok with getting both Bouw and Regehr.

I guess for some, having 2nd round picks would be better than winning a second consecutive Cup...

No one said that, and that's a horse **** comment too. If RR was a guarantee to give us a cup, I'd trade Kopitar for him. But he's not a guarantee. As such, I do have an issue with what was paid.

 

[kingsfan]

It also gives us options moving forward next year to finalize a top 6 D core that allows DL to pick and choose from:

Doughty
Voynov
Scuderi
Muzzin
Martinez
Regehr
Mitchell
Greene
Ellerby

Not a lot of teams have that kind of luxury, which is exactly why we see teams like the Blues still looking to add impact players on the blueline this late in the game. We're insanely lucky to have TWO high impact young defensemen in Doughty and Voynov. The rest is merely plugging holes with vets and rooks.

It takes two make a contract. Scuds for example was reportedly in negotiations a month ago or more. No contract yet, likely because he wants more than what DL is offering. There is no guarantee Scuds or RR even want to stay in LA.

 

[SCARFACE909]

HF boards where people are upset at trading away two 2nd round picks including one 2 years out.

 

[BigBrown]

Well I'm glad so many people like the deal, I just don't see the point in trading for an older, slower, less physical Matt Greene when we got Matt Greene coming back. And it's not because I don't think the Kings shouldn't be going for it, it's just that I don't think Regehr makes the Kings a better team once Greene is back. By then Regehr will essentially be playing in place of either Muzzin or Martinez and is he really an awesome upgrade from those guys? Sure he's got more experience but Muzzin's been lights out and we know Martinez can be a real solid player if he settles down.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Well I'm glad so many people like the deal, I just don't see the point in trading for an older, slower, less physical Matt Greene when we got Matt Greene coming back. And it's not because I don't think the Kings shouldn't be going for it, it's just that I don't think Regehr makes the Kings a better team once Greene is back. By then Regehr will essentially be playing in place of either Muzzin or Martinez and is he really an awesome upgrade from those guys? Sure he's got more experience but Muzzin's been lights out and we know Martinez can be a real solid player if he settles down.

I understand your sentiment and to some degree, agree with you that RR may not be much of an upgrade. However, I'm willing to wait and see how he performs with his new team. I'm a big proponent of change of scenery. And I think RR willing to waive his NTC to play for Sutter and the kings, tells me he's motivated to be here.

Where I disagree is you thinking that Muzz will be the man sitting out. I'm pretty sure HS will be Amart and Ellerby. Muzz has clearly outplayed both of them and there's no reason to think to scratch him at this point.

 

[Johnny Utah]

I see your point Big Brown, but RR is replacing Willie Mitchell, not Greene. Mitchell is done for this year and who knows about next year (the last year of his two year deal).

Also, Scuderi is a UFA, same with RR and Mitchell and Greene are both one season away from being UFA's. So Kings have just need to pick which 3 of the 4 they want long term. RR is younger than both Scud's and Willie.

Kings won the Cup with a great mix of 3 pairs of D that consisted of one puck mover and one stay at home guy. Even friends of mine from other teams (St. Louis) commented on that. They said Greene and Mitchell were tough to play against and too big for their forwards and their D could not match up.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Well I'm glad so many people like the deal, I just don't see the point in trading for an older, slower, less physical Matt Greene when we got Matt Greene coming back. And it's not because I don't think the Kings shouldn't be going for it, it's just that I don't think Regehr makes the Kings a better team once Greene is back. By then Regehr will essentially be playing in place of either Muzzin or Martinez and is he really an awesome upgrade from those guys? Sure he's got more experience but Muzzin's been lights out and we know Martinez can be a real solid player if he settles down.

Muzzin has been 'lights out' from an offensive standpoint, not even close on the defensive side. I feel come playoff time, he'll be a liability...not that he doesn't have the potential to get there, he's young, his time will come.

Doughty
Scuderi
Voynov
Greene
Reghyr
Martinez

 

[MsMeow]

Well I'm glad so many people like the deal, I just don't see the point in trading for an older, slower, less physical Matt Greene when we got Matt Greene coming back. And it's not because I don't think the Kings shouldn't be going for it, it's just that I don't think Regehr makes the Kings a better team once Greene is back. By then Regehr will essentially be playing in place of either Muzzin or Martinez and is he really an awesome upgrade from those guys? Sure he's got more experience but Muzzin's been lights out and we know Martinez can be a real solid player if he settles down.

We don't know if Greene will be back for sure, or how effective he will be. And we know Scuderi is struggling and Mitchell is done for the season. Brilliant job, Dean, especially when so many teams are looking for a solid defenseman.

 

[Sydor25]

I like what Muzzin has brought to the Kings this season, but I would roll with these playoff pairs if Greene is healthy:

Scuderi-Doughty
Regehr-Voynov
Martinez-Greene
Muzzin

You get a SAH-PM on each pair and a lefty-righty on each pair.

 

[Omni Owl]

After hearing how Buffalo fans think he's lost a step, I'm not a huge fan of this trade. Regehr's body has to be pretty much close to done at this point, similar to M. Richards...

 

[Reclamation Project]

After hearing how Buffalo fans think he's lost a step, I'm not a huge fan of this trade. Regehr's body has to be pretty much close to done at this point, similar to M. Richards...

lolwut?!?

 

[AmadiosAmigos]

Im happy the Kings are worrying about now NOW and will deal with the future as it comes along. I want to win, I want to cheer for a winner, and the depth of this team allows it. Im not overly sold on Fraser being our 4th line center and would like to see us add a piece or two to the forward corps, but all in all, we're a team built to compete.

In doing so, Dean has a prospect pool, not as deep as it once was, but built up enough where every year he will keep adding guys, who have time to properly develop. So who cares if we're not drafting in the 1st or 2nd round where guys are NHL ready or close to it. They'll develop and we wont have to use them before they are ready, which bodes well for 3rd to 7th rounders who are long term projects or sleepers.

Our core is entering their prime and here for a long time. Kopi, Brown, Richie, Carts, Doughts, Quick, all signed for the long run. VV should get locked up this summer, and then the rest become interchangeable. Muzzin, Amart, either fit or become good trading chips. We solidify the back end with vets like RR, Greene and Willie. When one is hurt or demands too much, or is over the hill, we can let them walk. Similar to upfront. Guys like TT, Forbort, Gravel, Vey, Pearson, all have time to properly develop and can enter the lineup making an immediate impact. And as they leave the AHL, the guys we draft fill in to their roles and begin to develop.

I really like what DL has done, what he is doing, and where the franchise is going. He got us a win, has given us a chance to win for years to come, and our organization depth is not bad at all. A lot of teams who are worse then us wish they had the minor league system we had, even with all the good picks they now have.