charliolemieux
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Putting Rielly 4th is not simply being positive. He's stroking the collective ego's of Leafs nation.
I happen to think Button is a buffoon so I'm not falling for it.
Whatever though, you guys enjoy it.
Rielly ranked #1 of 2012 draft class in TSN (Craig Button) Top 30 NHL Prospects
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Putting Rielly 4th is not simply being positive. He's stroking the collective ego's of Leafs nation.
I happen to think Button is a buffoon so I'm not falling for it.
Whatever though, you guys enjoy it.
Censored23
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You know what the funny thing is, tho...If the bashers had of just kept their big, fat mouths shut, this thread would have come and gone and been forgotten about in no time.
Instead, the need to bash anything Leafs overrides common sense and before you know it, there's a full-blown argument going on, completely hijacking the thread. Then the bashers get pissed off because they get ganged up on. I mean, really, what did they expect?
Remember this? If you cant say anything nice, then SHUT THE **** UP.
Lebanese Leaf
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What ever happened to Ryan Ellis?
The dude put both Hamilton and Rielly to shame in terms of offensive output in the CHL. But a quick google search tells me he has 11 pts in 32 NHL games, and 23 pts in 39 AHL games. Both those stats are respectable, but not to the level that was expected of Ellis when he had 89 pts in 57 games during his draft year, and 101 pts in 58 games in 2010-11.
Has the hype worn off on him? Is he still considered a blue-chipper? Are Rielly and Hamilton generally regarded as having higher NHL offensive ceilings?
The dude put both Hamilton and Rielly to shame in terms of offensive output in the CHL. But a quick google search tells me he has 11 pts in 32 NHL games, and 23 pts in 39 AHL games. Both those stats are respectable, but not to the level that was expected of Ellis when he had 89 pts in 57 games during his draft year, and 101 pts in 58 games in 2010-11.
Has the hype worn off on him? Is he still considered a blue-chipper? Are Rielly and Hamilton generally regarded as having higher NHL offensive ceilings?
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TSN Scout Craig Button has ranked the top prospects in hockey already affiliated with NHL teams. The players listed have played less than 10 games in the NHL and are still under the age of 24. The ranking is an amalgamation of a player's potential as well as how well they are playing over the course of the past year, including this season.
Lebanese Leaf
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Some guys look really good at lower levels but when the skill level of the competition rises their own skill level limits them from maintaining their dominance. Justin Azevedo is a good example. A flip side is Griffin Rienhart who doesn't stand out in Oil Kings games but scouts project his game to have a high probability of success in the NHL. It's not as black and white as statistics
Why are you assuming this? Button is not the only scout who think Rielly would have gone #1 overall if not for his injury, and is so high on his talent.
Why can't anyone in the media say anything positive about the Leafs without accusations of them being biased?
I think you have a tendancy to lump everyone in the same mold. Not everyone is bias againt the Leafs or their prospects. I think Button is pretty terrible at projections, but I like Morgan Rielly a whole bunch.
I, personally have no problem with Rielly at 4, but I do think Button is pretty bad. I think this list is terrible, but not because of Rielly's ranking. I think he will become the best player in the draft. I say that with confidence, but admit anything can happen and that none of us know for sure.
Of all the d prospects I have followed over recent years I have never rated anyone as highly as Morgan Rielly, the kid has star power in spades. I hope he lights up the World Juniors and proves to everyone he is the best d prospect in the world. I love Gally as well and wouldn't trade him for Rielly, but I base that more on an organizational need than their abilities.
The habs/Leafs should be excited to finally get a top notch prospect for their respective teams. It doesn't happen often and I'm thrilled that the lockout is ongoing, which has allowed me to focus more on the both of them. Morgan Rielly will be a star imo.
Great for Rielly. Can't say I agree much with the rankings though, not sure what he's done to put himself above some guys like Yakupov, Galchenyuk and Hamilton. Still psyched for this kid though
*Disclaimer: I'm only interested in discussing Morgan Rielly as a prospect, his development and his accomplishments. I am not bashing him or Leaf fans*
That's my point of view as well. If Rielly was placed above a guy like Yakupov, Huberdeau, Hamilton and Strome, he either has 1) an absolutely staggering amount of potential, 2) has performed very well over the past year or 3) a combination of the first two. This is based on Craig Button's posted criteria.
In this regard, he has certain things working against him including his injury, which means he missed many, many games. If Rielly is placed above all the aforementioned players, it must mean that he has performed very, very well this season except Strome is producing at an insane 2ppg pace and Yakupov is at a ppg in the KHL, which is great for a rookie (better than Kuznetsov and Tarasenko). Also, Rielly is on a weaker team, which leads to less points and less favourable stats. Does that mean Button thinks Rielly has played and performed so well with respect to the Warriors, that his play over the past few months places him higher than Yakupov and Strome?
If not, then it means that his potential is extraordinary such that it hands down exceeds that of Strome, Hamilton, Yakupov, and, yes, Galchenyuk. How rare would that be? I think that would be on the level of Crosby. I, personally, do not think that that is the case, and I don't know what such an argument could be based off of.
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I would say a lot of it is based on the subway series where Rielly looked like he was on a completely different level and Yakupov was ordinary. Either way it doesn't really matter with the world juniors approaching. Everybody is about to be reevaluated and list list will be obsolete. And yes I know Gally didn't play in the SS
I would certainly like to read why
(in Galchenyuk's thread).Rielly looked fine in the SSS. Wouldn't say he was on a different level than Yakupov who despite not looking that great still emerged as the top point producer (I know, more games and all, but he did put up points in the WHL portion). You could tell when Yakupov started moving his feet, he became really dangerous. I'm sure you'll agree that Rielly's style makes him look great, but that isn't the only criteria for performance.
I'd say he looked better in the CAN-RUS challenge myself. A lot of players looked good there of course: Murphy was pretty dynamic, Huberdeau produced points, Hudon was a surprise, Subban saved the team, etc.
I wasn't referring to the list itself, rather the bashing that Burke and the team took for being listed at 20th on the HF ranking.
I actually agree with you on both counts: Both lists are opinions, often bad ones at that, and should not be taken as an indication as to how well the Leafs are doing in 'rebuilding.'
charliolemieux
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True. Sorry the confusion.
The core is young and the pipeline is getting full. I think things are going ok.
CanadiensforLife
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You make big statements but offer no explanation or reason for them. Off of what do you base this? What makes Rielly a much better prospect than Galchenyuk?
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I thought, perhaps, the best player in the SSS was Maxim Shalunov.
Rielly had some very nice moments, but in a limited number of games.
charliolemieux
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Galchenyuk has five points tonight. He is a stud star in the making. I like Rielly a lot, but I feel Galchenyuk will be the best player from this draft.
CanadiensforLife
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I would certainly like to read why
Rielly looked fine in the SSS. Wouldn't say he was on a different level than Yakupov who despite not looking that great still emerged as the top point producer (I know, more games and all, but he did put up points in the WHL portion). You could tell when Yakupov started moving his feet, he became really dangerous. I'm sure you'll agree that Rielly's style makes him look great, but that isn't the only criteria for performance.
I'd say he looked better in the CAN-RUS challenge myself. A lot of players looked good there of course: Murphy was pretty dynamic, Huberdeau produced points, Hudon was a surprise, Subban saved the team, etc.
Well if you want an explanation of the criteria involved behind making these rankings then your beating the wrong bushes. I personally believe any player on that list has a chance at having the best NHL career and arguing over which one should be ranked higher at this point is petty
