False. He was never on the 2nd line with Crosby (I would've loved that). Game 4 he was 6th in TOI for forwards which is top 6, "much of 4th game" is a complete fabrication which means you're a liar.
Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again
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DarkKnight
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One’s a goal scorer, one is a set up guy. I mean? Just reads tedious and obtuse to me. Cheers.
Ones a goal scorer cause he plays with a playmaker that should be blatantly obvious his assists go up for sure when he’s away from marner not sure if his goals go down but I would assume it does or they wouldn’t be joined at the hip basically it was a stupid comment
It’s this simple on the board you either agree with the marner takes even though they’re false or your a hater
so let’s give him 14 cause there’s an argument to be made that he deserves it I’m about to give this site a break cause the wrong person is gonna say the wrong thing and I’m gonna want an address or something I like to get problems out the way and not have them fester 
thewave
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Ones a goal scorer cause he plays with a playmaker that should be blatantly obvious his assists go up for sure when he’s away from marner not sure if his goals go down but I would assume it does or they wouldn’t be joined at the hip basically it was a stupid comment
It’s this simple on the board you either agree with the marner takes even though they’re false or your a hater
I know it's pretty wild. I really do want to hear a sound argument for 14m with comparables. It's not coming lol
Gary Nylund
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Well it was your post, and tedious and obtuse are your own words so ... cheers.
Matthews also being injured too. Recall certain posters tried speculating Marner was still feeling effects or his high angle sprain in last year's playoffs?
To summarize:
Goals matter unless it's Marner.
Potential injuries don't matter, unless it's Marner.
You've got it completely backwards.
In this thread goals matter more than anything UNLESS Matthews doesn't score, if Matthews doesn't score than all we care about is assists and defensive play.
Or goals matter no matter who scores but assists also matter neither of which tell the full story of a players game
Goals matter more than assists, and linemates matter the most (according to Tulsky's research).
So you agree that Marner had a better tournament than Matthews and Nylander, correct?
Marner needs an empty net point, or else his projection is just 105 points. Hes at risk to not reaching 100 points for the first time again. Meanwhile 9.5 million winger, Kucherov, is pacing just 130. A decrease from the 140+ he produced last year.
Don't bother mentioning Kucherov at 9.5M unless you adjust it for tax related projections. Without the adjustment it's just meaningless.
Leaf Fans
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The Marner goal mattered, it won the game against Sweden.
He had the bigger game when it mattered he didn’t have a better tournament than Matthews nylander is third
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It is very simple, just win a few rounds in the playoffs and everything will be less toxic.
It really doesn’t matter how AM, MM, Willie or JT or Reilly play unless they go SuperNova and light it up, if the Leafs don’t make it to ECF, it is just hard to justify bringing the same core back.
This is a get it done league and not a it was a good lesson league or we are close league.
It really doesn’t matter how AM, MM, Willie or JT or Reilly play unless they go SuperNova and light it up, if the Leafs don’t make it to ECF, it is just hard to justify bringing the same core back.
This is a get it done league and not a it was a good lesson league or we are close league.
Lmfao I honestly admire how committed you are to playing this anti Marner role. The day he signs his extension is going to be the best day lol. I don’t know what you’re gonna do with yourself.
Well I don’t fit the criteria cause those two assists were big and they won the game ps I don’t have a 90 year old neighbour either
Well, first the agent would remind you that while Marner does have a good case against those players, the Kucherov/Rantanen contracts and whatever you think those players are right now isn't relevant here, as they aren't on UFA contracts, and the contracts they are on are based on what they were 6-9 years ago.
Then, the agent would question what range of players of Marner's caliber signed for 10-11.5% of the cap. They would be pretty insulted by you offering less than Nylander's cap hit percentage. They'd be happy to explain all the ways in which Marner is one of the best players in the league, but suggest that if you want to talk individual comparables, that you use actual UFAs and first explain why Marner deserves less than Panarin got 6 years ago - which would be 13.65m this summer.
It really does come down to % of cap for high-end players these days, doesn't it..? As it should, in a lotta ways.
But I'm still holding out for 12.5x8 which would make Mitch the first player in franchise history to sign a 100 Million Dollar contract. And I'd sell to him and his team like that too!!!
Good for the ego, while not too bad for the pocketbook either.
Now that the most sensible thing has been said about this debate here, maybe we can just dead this thread, and enjoy the player, and the rest of the year now, peeps??
Ya, I know.. not gonna happen.
Your serious ……..damn
RightIt really does come down to % of cap for high-end players these days, doesn't it..? As it should, in a lotta ways.
But I'm still holding out for 12.5x8 which would make Mitch the first player in franchise history to sign a 100 Million Dollar contract. And I'd sell to him and his team like that too!!!
Good for the ego, while not too bad for the pocketbook either.
Now that the most sensible thing has been said about this debate here, maybe we can just dead this thread, and enjoy the player, and the rest of the year now, peeps??
Ya, I know.. not gonna happen.
It really comes down to playoffs.It really does come down to % of cap for high-end players these days, doesn't it..? As it should, in a lotta ways.
But I'm still holding out for 12.5x8 which would make Mitch the first player in franchise history to sign a 100 Million Dollar contract. And I'd sell to him and his team like that too!!!
Good for the ego, while not too bad for the pocketbook either.
Now that the most sensible thing has been said about this debate here, maybe we can just dead this thread, and enjoy the player, and the rest of the year now, peeps??
Ya, I know.. not gonna happen.
As I said in this thread and other thread.
Our current core is not close to winning. And if it is another first round exit or a short exit in round two. Does it even make sense to bring them back and HOPE they will do it in the future?
Thats the question. They can all make 14mil/yr, if they actually won back to back to back Cups. The fact that they had won ONE series in the past EIGHT playoffs is a red flag.
It's always been about cap hit percentage for every player. We just tend to notice it more in the upper range, and especially when there's big increases in the cap like this.
I'd love for Marner to give us a discount, but it's easy to say that as a fan from the outside. We're not the ones that would be throwing away millions of dollars. Realistically, most people want to be paid what they've earned like everybody else. They make a lot of money, but it's also a short, risky career, and it could be over in an instant.
