I don't think that bothers people nearly as much as seeing the Leafs get a good player.
Rielly ranked #1 of 2012 draft class in TSN (Craig Button) Top 30 NHL Prospects
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I don't think that bothers people nearly as much as seeing the Leafs get a good player.
ULF_55
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Yes, with all the hype, I expect Rielly to be the next Sundin/Salming, and anything less will be a disappointment.
Rest easy in the knowledge that the hype a) comes from other people not Leafs fans and b) is pretty warranted when you watch the kid play.
It's funny how nobody has batted an eye at how much Hamilton has been hyped. That guy had better be Jesus on skates after all this.
ULF_55
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I've heard lots of compliments from non-Leafs' fans about Rielly. A minority of Leafs' fans complain greatly about a minority of non-Leafs' fans.
The hype for Hamilton was justified because non-Leaf fans could use that to taunt Leaf fans. When it's great young player the Leafs have, it's not fun for them. Hence the complaints about Rielly.
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Can't argue about St Louis and Savard, I thought at the time that the Flames were making a big mistake on them, BUT when Giguere was in Calgary he was atrociously horrendous, his game took off after. I wouldn't fault him on Giguere based on how he played in Calgary.
In what world is Craig Button bias for the Leafs? Wow.
all i know is every scout i talked to since september says the reilly is the real deal
im a windsor spitfire season ticket holder ..and if u get to games early can talk easily with alot of hockey personal.i often ask about leafs prospects ...not 1 would disagree with button .....hes just a helluva player ,who heaven forbid is a maple leaf and canadian to boot
lmao
ULF_55
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This will be good for the young Leafs' fans who've never experienced the Leafs drafting a star.
Leafidelity
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I have a feeling there will be alot less people complaining about this list when the WJCs start. It doesn't take too long watching Rielly to see what he is and project what he can be.
It's good for all Leaf fans.
Why can you not just give a compliment to the leafs/leaf fans without it being backhanded?
ULF_55
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The first one is the most memorable one. Some of us have had our first one, but many here are so young they've never experienced the pleasure and fake it. Rielly looks like he has the potential to be an undisputed star, a player even opponent fans don't debate. Tell me the last drafted player to fit that description?
Oh I fully agree with the statement, its how it is said.
Something like, "Riely has the potential to be the next Sundin caliber player for the Leafs" would be better. No need for undertones.
ULF_55
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Whatever, I just think the new fans should be able to develop similar memories to what we have when we think back on Sittler, McDonald, Salming (okay not drafted), et cetera. What do the new fans have to be proud about?
Don't bother with him. He's no different than Leafs fans who pimp Rielly. Typical for a poster to come here after a 7 game streak where a prospect scored over 2 points a game and scream, "he's clearly better", it doesn't make it true. I love Gally, I love Rielly. Arguing over which one is better at this point is pointless.
I maintain the position that I think Rielly will become the best player from this draft and I'm a habs fan. That's not a knock against Gally and I could very well be wrong, but from I've seen from Rielly, I expect very big things. Can we stop the bickering between fan bases and enjoy what we have?
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HIs Bosses faulted him.
It was like the day or two after Giggy's 63 save performance v DET that CGY announce Button would not be back as GM.
I remember it clearly because I missed Torontos game to watch the Anh v Det overtime, and it was the day I became a Giguere and, to a lesser extent, ANH fan.
I wore my 2003 era Ducks cap proudly during 2007.
The point is he has a history of not being able to see potential when he watches it all the time. So now we are supposed to accept his ranking when at best he has seen these players 5-6 times? Maybe 10 for a home town boy.
There is nothing you could say, do, or show me that would make me put any faith in Craig Button as a judge of potential Hockey players.
If he nailed the top 15, right players, right order, in 2013. I'd maybe start believing in him.
I think Salming could fit in on the bottom pairing...
Impressive. He's 59 in that picture.
I'd still rank Yakupov over Rielly. Rielly was a great pick though. I was sceptical when we first drafted him though.
Perhaps the other poster exaggerated certain things like Galchenyuk being comparably further ahead than Rielly, BUT you misinterpreted his post to a large degree:
Sarnia is one of the 'best teams' BECAUSE Galchenyuk is on it. I do not think it is a stretch to make this claim. He raises the play of his linemates (not saying they're slouches; just that their level of dominance is in large part because of Gally). This is as opposed to the team being a powerhouse and he happened to join this powerhouse team. Sarnia's coach, Jacques Beaulieu, said that last season there was far more talent on the team, and yet they have the same record at this point in the season, and he was surprised. Then you look at Galchenyuk being 2nd in the OHL in scoring, and a correlation between the two kinda seems to make sense.
The poster was NOT claiming that Rielly should be putting up similar point totals as a forward. He was pointing out the point totals to illustrate the HIGH LEVEL OF PRODUCTION relative to the rest of the league and his fellow forward peers.
If Rielly is an elite junior player, an elite offensive defenseman, then he should be capable of raising the play of others and putting his team on his back to a certain degree. Has he done this offensively or defensively? Granted, it's more difficult as a Dman and of course he can't put up forward-like numbers and of course there is only so much he can do.
What this means, however, is that whatever potential and true capabilities Rielly has is that much more difficult to assess, but apparently many on here feel it's definitely enough to outweigh/match whatever more obvious things Galchenyuk is capable of. So let's say Rielly is traded to a better team (I know the MJ has stated that he won't be), I can imagine that the 'hype' surrounding him will obliterate that of any prospect out there since it's already at a level comparable to that of Yakupov.
The Podium
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The last star drafted was Clark (if you don't count kabrele), that was 1985. That was 27 years ago, and consider you'd have to be at least 10 before fully conscious of what's happening anyone under 37 likely has n recollection or wasnt born to see a leaf star drafted. Considering the Internet wasnt popularized until the mid 90's, the majority of Internet unsers are those born late 80 and forward, so I think its safe to say that the majority of leaf fans on this site have never experienced the leafs drafting a star however caught the later years of ones career.
If you count kaberle then just about everyone here has experienced it.
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First of all: Moose Jaw is currently in a playoff position.....this is with a Rookie Goaltender who just turned 17 as their number one goalie. He is a plus player on a team that is getting more goals scored on them then they score. He logs a ton of ice time and is the reason why they are currently in a playoff position. He makes players around him better.
Secondly: Moose Jaw has lost their last 3 games without him in the lineup and will fall out of the playoffs race completely by the time he returns. Which is proof positive just how much an affect he has on the success of his team. Moose Jaw has been outscored 13-6 in the last 3 games, losing back to back games to Brandon which was below them in the standings.
Moose Jaw was 12 wins 14 losses and 3 ties when he left for camp with GF 83 and GA 101 let's see what happens when he is gone. Currently they now stand at 12 wins 17 losses and 3 ties with GF of 89 and GA of 114.
Habs fan here. Good for the leafs! Fantastic that both franchises can have a terrible year and come back with such optimism from the consolation prize. Good luck to Reilly in the future. Hopefully our two prospects turn our teams around.
Yup, those are valid points. I certainly have no doubts that he's the most important player on the Warriors especially with them trading away one of their other Dman (it's probably fair to say that he was one of their better ones? I can't see the Blazers trading for him if he was a bottom/fringe guy on MJ).
It will be interesting to track how poorly MJ does without him. On a similar note, Charles Hudon suffered a concussion in Oct (I think) and in the 6-7 games he was absent, his team went winless. I am definitely not claiming that he's an elite prospect like Rielly, just that the same happened with his team.
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