Rielly ranked #1 of 2012 draft class in TSN (Craig Button) Top 30 NHL Prospects
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sure, i'd like to see the leafs' kids do well too. it would bode well for the future.
its just too bad its become all about the nhl teams and their fan bases. the wjc now just seems to provide internet wannabe scouts with a chance to prove to themselves that their team's prospect is better than another team's prospect.
lets call a spade a spade....many posters here want to see dougie hamilton s*** the bed in this tournament. even though they're canadian and are cheering for canada, its much more important for them to "prove" to themselves that dougie hamilton isn't that great.
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Why is it so, so hard for people to accept that Dougie Hamilton at this point is a better D prospect than Morgan Rielly AND also has tremendous potential? Why?
- He was drafted a year before Rielly, and thus has developed more.
- He didn't miss most of last season due to an ACL injury.
- He has produced very good point totals in the OHL during that timespan (not sure, but he might be #1 in terms of offense).
- He is a defenseman with size. I can't comment on his defensive capabilities, but I have no idea where anyone would question his abilities in that regard. In fact, I have only ever seen fans bring that up in rationalizing how Rielly is better overall.
- Even if CHL Defenseman of the year winners aren't guaranteed to become good NHLers, it's probably a good indicator that a player has talent.
- If it weren't for the lockout, he would have most likely been on the Bruins.
There's no shame in Hamilton being ahead of Rielly.
- He was drafted a year before Rielly, and thus has developed more.
- He didn't miss most of last season due to an ACL injury.
- He has produced very good point totals in the OHL during that timespan (not sure, but he might be #1 in terms of offense).
- He is a defenseman with size. I can't comment on his defensive capabilities, but I have no idea where anyone would question his abilities in that regard. In fact, I have only ever seen fans bring that up in rationalizing how Rielly is better overall.
- Even if CHL Defenseman of the year winners aren't guaranteed to become good NHLers, it's probably a good indicator that a player has talent.
- If it weren't for the lockout, he would have most likely been on the Bruins.
There's no shame in Hamilton being ahead of Rielly.
TheLeastOfTheBunch
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Title says #1 of 2012 Draft class, which according to the list is correct. There's no bias (on the fans behalf, at least as this is a list by Craig Button), you just seem to have misread or misunderstood.
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zeke
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why is it so hard to understand that not everyone agrees that Hamilton is better?
For the reasons outlined in my post. I think they're pretty good points
Any time Rielly and Hamilton have been on the ice together, Rielly has been flat out the better of the two.
I think that's where most of the resistance to your points is coming from.
Stephen
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Why do you need to regulate another fanbase's opinions? Are a lot of Leafs/Bruins fans going on the Montreal board and telling you Galchenyuk will never amount to half the player Seguin is or something?
-Here's why Seguin is better than Galchenyuk can ever hope to be:
-Seguin made a team that won the Stanley Cup at 18. Galchenyuk is playing in a boy's league right now.
-Seguin tore up the OHL in his draft year while the only think Galchenyuk tore up was his own stinking knee.
-Seguin was drafted two years ahead of Galchenyuk and has proven more in that time than Galchenyuk could ever hope to accomplish.
-Seguin was drafted second overall. Galchenyuk was drafted third overall. Nuff said.
-Seguin wears a respectable hockey number that is respectul of the game. Wearing 94 means Galchenyuk is classless.
-Etc.
-There's no shame in Galchenyuk never being as good as Tyler Seguin.
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BayStBullies
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The problem with evaluating prospects when you're not a scout who sees these guys regularly; is that you forget these are young players, defined at the time based heavily on future potential.
If your top list remains static; throughout months of the scouting process, you're not doing a great job. Fans on the outside looking in are very fixed to lists created months ago; for players they know next to nothing about.
It's not out of the question for a few months to change a scouts outlook on these young players. The evolution of a player is not a fixed line.
Go look at any past draft; many great players were missed until late rounds; by all teams repeatedly. Heck, some were
never drafted. Further evidence to my point.
He projected Dumba high; now has re-evaluated after an extended look and continued player progress. What's wrong with that? Again, player development reflects a need to re-evaluate these things.
The consensus is Hamilton is already a lock to be a franchise D-Man and the best defensive prospect in the world. A few not agreeing does not change that.
Of course. A Leaf player gets a comliment and other fans are outraged. Button must be biased then.
the colour of their nhl jerseys. that's why. rielly happens to be property of the leafs, hamilton happens to be property of the bruins. that influences everyone's opinion.
ULF_55
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THN rankings are garbage because the Leafs are ranked low.
Button likes Rielly because he knows his stuff.
Personally, I'm hoping Rielly turns out better than Lidstrom.
I disagree with Button more often than not, but I have to admit, I am enjoying seeing all the anti-Leaf or anti-Burke folks here trying to justify the ranking after some ten pages of bashing on the other (HockeyFuture's) prospect ranking thread.
Whether you agree or not though, one thing should be clear: Morgan Rielly is a damn good prospect and combined with the likes of Gardiner, Percy, and Finn, the Leafs have a damn good collection of defense prospects.
Whether you agree or not though, one thing should be clear: Morgan Rielly is a damn good prospect and combined with the likes of Gardiner, Percy, and Finn, the Leafs have a damn good collection of defense prospects.
charliolemieux
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I have no problems agreeing that Hamilton is ahead of Rielly...he is, after all, a year older than him. Also, taking into account that Rielly missed pretty much a whole year due to injury, it would be pretty safe to say Hamilton is about 2 years ahead.
As it is right now, they are both very good players and pretty much deserve alot of the hype that is surrounding them. However, in my opinion, if you gave Rielly those 2 years to catch up, he would be a much, much better player than Hamilton. He just seems to have a lot higher potential, and by the looks of it, should have no problems reaching it if he continues the way he's going now.
Ya he might be stroking Leafs nation a bit, but he is just
I could point to many examples when he knocked the Leafs. The assumption shouldn't be once he says a positive, it's not genuine.
charliolemieux
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I disagree with Button more often than not, but I have to admit, I am enjoying seeing all the anti-Leaf or anti-Burke folks here trying to justify the ranking after some ten pages of bashing on the other (HockeyFuture's) prospect ranking thread.
Whether you agree or not though, one thing should be clear: Morgan Rielly is a damn good prospect and combined with the likes of Gardiner, Percy, and Finn, the Leafs have a damn good collection of defense prospects.
I'm pro-Burke and I was probably the biggest "basher" of the HF rankings.
I'm also among the biggest "bashers" of this list. BUtton has been the 2nd biggest idiot in hockey. Milbury ofcourse is #1.
