Player Discussion Ridly Greig (LW) 28th Overall

[aragorn]

I think they will give some games to Greig this yr, how many & when remains to be seen, but I imagine they will burn that one game suspension rather quickly.

 

[OD99]

I think they will give some games to Greig this yr, how many & when remains to be seen, but I imagine they will burn that one game suspension rather quickly.

Whenever they want to call him up it will be easy enough to burn that 1 game. Call him up, let him have a few days to practice with the team and the game will be gone.

 

[Micklebot]

Whenever they want to call him up it will be easy enough to burn that 1 game. Call him up, let him have a few days to practice with the team and the game will be gone.

It's nice to get it out of the way in case you need him for an emergency callup.

 

[Sweatred]

I'm a big believer in Greig, but in no way has he proven he's too good for the AHL. AHL wasn't an option last year, so they had to choose between NHL and CHL and if they chose CHL it was a final decision, no calling him up. Had AHL been an option, he'd might have gone there and gotten some callups.

The reality is he's not even destroying the CHL; although a very good player in that league he was not even too good for that league little lone the AHL, I don't see how on earth you can think he's too good for the AHL, so many better prospects than him have spent time in the AHL, it's a good league, very few players are too good for it at 19-20 yrs old.

Stutzle and Sanderson didn’t prove they were too good for the AHL either …

 

[OD99]

It's nice to get it out of the way in case you need him for an emergency callup.

For sure and I wouldn't be surprised if he did get it out of the way right away other than they may want him to be with the AHL squad from the beginning of the season to gel and get ready.

 

[Micklebot]

Stutzle and Sanderson didn’t prove they were too good for the AHL either …

Did I claim either had?

If either of those guys weren't/aren't good enough to get enough mins at the NHL level to properly develop, I'd have no issue sending them down to the AHL. Stu has obviously shown he's an NHL player, but if Sanderson struggles in camp or the reg season, send him down (I doubt he will struggle, but if he does...)

Saying Greig has proven himself to be too good for the AHL when I've seen him play in that league and frankly not dominate it, is pretty strange. Good enough to play in the NHL does not equal too good for the AHL.

 

[Micklebot]

For sure and I wouldn't be surprised if he did get it out of the way right away other than they may want him to be with the AHL squad from the beginning of the season to gel and get ready.

They can do a paper transaction for a single game day, particularly if it's an off day in Belleville.

 

[Sweatred]

Did I claim either had?

If either of those guys weren't/aren't good enough to get enough mins at the NHL level to properly develop, I'd have no issue sending them down to the AHL. Stu has obviously shown he's an NHL player, but if Sanderson struggles in camp or the reg season, send him down (I doubt he will struggle, but if he does...)

Saying Greig has proven himself to be too good for the AHL when I've seen him play in that league and frankly not dominate it, is pretty strange. Good enough to play in the NHL does not equal too good for the AHL.

Did I claim you said that?

Stutzle wasn’t to good for the AHL as a rookie . His defensive game was brutal, likely far behind Greig’s current game. He could have easily played (probably should have for pure developmental reasons) that season in the AHL but the Sens decided to let him play in the NHL with replacement level players like White and Tierney.

You saw Greig play in the AHL two years ago I believe … strong chance his game has improved.

Anyway, you’re one to appreciate “internet proof” … You should listen to what GMPD says on Greig’s chances … the guy who files the paperwork feels like a good source.

I think he starts the year in the AHL if Formy, Joseph, Brady, Cat, Norris, Stutzle, Pinto, are on the active roster. If one of the left wingers isn’t there’s a good chance he starts the season is he has a great camp.

 

[Micklebot]

Did I claim you said that?

Stutzle wasn’t to good for the AHL as a rookie . His defensive game was brutal, likely far behind Greig’s current game. He could have easily played (probably should have for pure developmental reasons) that season in the AHL but the Sens decided to let him play in the NHL.

You saw Greig play in the AHL two years ago I believe … strong chance his game has improved.

Anyway, you’re one to appreciate “internet proof” … You should listen to what GMPD says on Greig’s chances … the guy who files the paperwork feels like a good source.

Greig played in this years AHL playoffs, the final game of belleville's season, yes, he's improved, no he's not too good for the league. Good chance you haven't watched him if you think he is. Strange hill to die on...

And again, there's a difference between being good enough to make the NHL team, and being too good for the AHL. He might be the former, time will tell, but he is likely not the latter and most certainly has not already proven his is.

 

[Sweatred]

Greig played in this years AHL playoffs, the final game of belleville's season, yes, he's improved, no he's not too good for the league. Good chance you haven't watched him if you think he is. Strange hill to die on...
And again, there's a difference between being good enough to make the NHL team, and being too good for the AHL. He might be the former, time will tell, but he is likely not the latter and most certainly has not already proven his is.

 

[Sweatred]

We are all aware of the recent slow cook philosophy of the Sens in their rebuild - but since when has too good for the AHL been a criteria to play in the NHL for the Sens ???

That really feels like a strange hill to die on.

None of White, Brady, Stutzle or Sanderson proved they were “too good for the AHL” . Norris scored a bunch but even he wasn’t too good the the league. Norris wasn’t good until he got his feet under him in the AHL - he wasn’t close to making the team out of camp.

Formenton definitely didn’t outplay they league. What they all showed was signs of being ready to develop at the next level and that’s what earned them the opportunity.

These aren’t your rebuilding Sens - I wouldn’t expect them to act the same in 2022 as they did in 2020… coaches and GM’s jobs are on the line, the team needs to sell tickets etc. this is an admin that put a AHL 0.5 PPG White into a lineup to try to fill a hole to win games. I’m assume they have learned a bit but in no way is “too good for the AHL” a qualifier for these kids.

 

[NyQuil]

Norris scored a bunch but even he wasn’t too good the the league.

He was AHL Rookie of the Year and 1st Team All-Star at Centre in his first AHL season.

In any event, it's not a simple binary function but also the outcome of how strong the roster is.

A lot of these young guys played early in the NHL because we had no one better on the roster. As it gets harder to make the team, guys will be in the AHL longer.

 

[Micklebot]

We are all aware of the recent slow cook philosophy of the Sens in their rebuild - but since when has too good for the AHL been a criteria to play in the NHL for the Sens ???

Nobody said it was? Someone claimed he had already proven he was too good for the AHL and thus should play in the NHL even if it's on the 4th line beating out Kelly for the job.

Greig will play in the NHL if there's a open role suitable for his current level of play and his long term development. That means he likely has to beat out Formenton for the 3rd line LW spot (my opinion) or I suppose Pinto for the 3rd line Center role. I'm skeptical he'll do that but there are always injuries, trades and other surprises that could lead to an opening.

 

[Sweatred]

Nobody said it was? Someone claimed he had already proven he was too good for the AHL and thus should play in the NHL even if it's on the 4th line beating out Kelly for the job.

Greig will play in the NHL if there's a open role suitable for his current level of play and his long term development. That means he likely has to beat out Formenton for the 3rd line LW spot (my opinion) or I suppose Pinto for the 3rd line Center role. I'm skeptical he'll do that but there are always injuries, trades and other surprises that could lead to an opening.

You’ve jumped into a discussion where we’ve already stated he will need to play well and their will need to be an opening … we know he’s not playing 5 minutes a night as 4LW and we know the same for Formy.

 

[Micklebot]

You’ve jumped into a discussion where we’ve already stated he will need to play well and their will need to be an opening … we know he’s not playing 5 minutes a night as 4LW and we know the same for Formy.

No, I replied directly to someone claiming he was too good for the AHL, you've jumped on my response to keep that conversation going, and then later made the strawman that there is a belief or argument being made that too good for the AHL is a criteria to play for the Sens.

If you're going to make up fake arguments to respond to, I think I'm done here. Have a good one.

 

[Micklebot]

He was AHL Rookie of the Year and 1st Team All-Star at Centre in his first AHL season.

In any event, it's not a simple binary function but also the outcome of how strong the roster is.

A lot of these young guys played early in the NHL because we had no one better on the roster. As it gets harder to make the team, guys will be in the AHL longer.

Norris also said that year in the AHL was really important to his development, could he have played in the NHL, probably. Did it hurt him to play in the AHL (ie was he too good for it)? Don't think even he would say it hurt

 

[SpezDispenser]

He'll play the first half there unless there are big suspensions, but this is about to be a hell of a ride for us to watch his ascention. Him and Pinto are gonna be awesome.

 

[GCK]

Norris also said that year in the AHL was really important to his development, could he have played in the NHL, probably. Did it hurt him to play in the AHL (ie was he too good for it)? Don't think even he would say it hurt

Off topic but Norris also said his short time with Stepan really helped him adapt and improve.

 

[HSF]

Off topic but Norris also said his short time with Stepan really helped him adapt and improve.

Im sure if you gave him Giroux instead he would say the same if not more

 

[Micklebot]

Off topic but Norris also said his short time with Stepan really helped him adapt and improve.

Nothing wrong with Stepan as a mentor, at least we got something out of that 2nd round pick beyond 20 games of on ice disappointment...

I expect Giroux to be a big help to our young forward group over the next 3 years in the same vein, he should just also be good on the ice.

 

[topshelf15]

So as it seems G is the likely bridge to Greig??

 

[Sweatred]

So as it seems G is the likely bridge to Greig??

No … Giroux is signed for three years - Greig will be a permanent piece of this team long before G’s contract expires.

Greig makes Formy rendundant as early as XMAS and likely 2023.

 

[Mookie McGee]

If all works out, our window probably opens with the 2023-24 season, and with a very good top 6, we would be well served to have an awesome complementary 3rd line of, if they develop as seems likely, of Pinto + Greig + Maroon-type mauler.
Whatever gets Greig, and also Pinto ready to win 3rd line battles by the start or middle of 2023-24 will go a long way towards determining how far we can go. They could equate to Tampa's dominant 3rd line with an added solid veteran.
Later, when Giroux starts to drop out of the top 6, right now Greig is the best bet to replace him of our current talent.
Greig may have a better chance of developing 3rd line style at the NHL level, rather than the AHL where he would likely get more focus on scoring and helping carry the team.

 

[Sweatred]

No, I replied directly to someone claiming he was too good for the AHL, you've jumped on my response to keep that conversation going, and then later made the strawman that there is a belief or argument being made that too good for the AHL is a criteria to play for the Sens.

If you're going to make up fake arguments to respond to, I think I'm done here. Have a good one.

I always know our hockey chat has been exhausted when you pull out the “strawman” - you don’t need to formalize it - next time don’t stick to your head in just to argue what’s already been acknowledged.

 

[Micklebot]

I always know our hockey chat is done when you pull out the strawman - you don’t need to formalize it - next time don’t stick to your head in just to argue what’s already been acknowledged.

Uh, you're the one using strawman arguments, so what does that say about you're position?

I didn't argue what's already been acknowledged, you responded from my post from Tuesday bringing back a the topic to the forefront, and then started arguing against a position that nobody holds. Keep arguing with the clouds, I'm done though.