Player Discussion Ridly Greig (LW) 28th Overall

[God Says No]

How on earth has he shown he's too good for the AHL??? He's played 8 games and has 4 pts... Come on now this is getting absurd...

He almost made the big team last year. I think you'll be surprised how many games he plays in the AHL this year.

 

[Micklebot]

He almost made the big team last year. I think you'll be surprised how many games he plays in the AHL this year.

I'm a big believer in Greig, but in no way has he proven he's too good for the AHL. AHL wasn't an option last year, so they had to choose between NHL and CHL and if they chose CHL it was a final decision, no calling him up. Had AHL been an option, he'd might have gone there and gotten some callups.

The reality is he's not even destroying the CHL; although a very good player in that league he was not even too good for that league little lone the AHL, I don't see how on earth you can think he's too good for the AHL, so many better prospects than him have spent time in the AHL, it's a good league, very few players are too good for it at 19-20 yrs old.

 

[God Says No]

Most teams who develop younger skilled guys usually put them at best on the third line. The AHL main purpose is to develop NHL players that's it. We might as well let him get top six minutes there let him prove himself on the third line then ease him into the top six if he's good enough.

I understand all of that. I'm saying the org is enamored with Greig and he'll most likely make the big team out of camp.

Also, rookies starting on the 3rd line is not as standard as you make it sound it to be. There are many instance of rookies starting on the 4th line.

I'm a big believer in Greig, but in no way has he proven he's too good for the AHL. AHL wasn't an option last year, so they had to choose between NHL and CHL and if they chose CHL it was a final decision, no calling him up. Had AHL been an option, he'd might have gone there and gotten some callups.

The reality is he's not even destroying the CHL; although a very good player in that league he was not even too good for that league little lone the AHL, I don't see how on earth you can think he's too good for the AHL, so many better prospects than him have spent time in the AHL, it's a good league, very few players are too good for it at 19-20 yrs old.

Fair points, but I'm taking my cues from the messages from the org. Like I said, we shall see.

 

[BondraTime]

He almost made the big team last year. I think you'll be surprised how many games he plays in the AHL this year.

He never almost made the team last year

 

[God Says No]

He never almost made the team last year

I guess I remember it differently, but there was talk of keeping to start the season with the big club. But I'm sure you got links to provide your view point since you are so sure.

 

[BondraTime]

I guess I remember it differently, but there was talk of keeping to start the season with the big club. But I'm sure you got links to provide your view point since you are so sure.

He got suspended for 2 games in the preseason, if they were going to keep him it was to waste the 1 game suspension, which they never did.

They had no intentions of keeping him up, they admitted straight up they wanted him in the WHL so he could have success at the World Juniors.

When Ottawa Senators' Ridly Greig starts his NHL career, he'll have to serve a suspension

The rookie forward received one-game suspension in the pre-season and one in the regular season for his cross-check to the head of Winnipeg Jets forward Pierre-Luc Dubois.

ottawasun.com

 

[Micklebot]

He got suspended for 2 games in the preseason, if they were going to keep him it was to waste the 1 game suspension, which they never did.

They had no intentions of keeping him up, the admitted straight up they wanted him in the WHL so he could have success at the World Juniors.

When Ottawa Senators' Ridly Greig starts his NHL career, he'll have to serve a suspension

The rookie forward received one-game suspension in the pre-season and one in the regular season for his cross-check to the head of Winnipeg Jets forward Pierre-Luc Dubois.

ottawasun.com

Oh man, I'd forgotten about the 1 game suspension he still needs to serve. lol, but what a move for the goal in that game.

 

[God Says No]

He got suspended for 2 games in the preseason, if they were going to keep him it was to waste the 1 game suspension, which they never did.

They had no intentions of keeping him up, they admitted straight up they wanted him in the WHL so he could have success at the World Juniors.

When Ottawa Senators' Ridly Greig starts his NHL career, he'll have to serve a suspension

The rookie forward received one-game suspension in the pre-season and one in the regular season for his cross-check to the head of Winnipeg Jets forward Pierre-Luc Dubois.

ottawasun.com

Yip, there was that. But also they considered keeping him for the 9 games. In any case, I'm just reading the tea leaves that the org is high on him and he's always been pushed to play in higher leagues. Perhaps I was wrong in my memory that he almost made the team.

I still stand that if he outplays Kelly in camp, he'll make the team. And there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[BankStreetParade]

I'm a big believer in Greig, but in no way has he proven he's too good for the AHL. AHL wasn't an option last year, so they had to choose between NHL and CHL and if they chose CHL it was a final decision, no calling him up. Had AHL been an option, he'd might have gone there and gotten some callups.

The reality is he's not even destroying the CHL; although a very good player in that league he was not even too good for that league little lone the AHL, I don't see how on earth you can think he's too good for the AHL, so many better prospects than him have spent time in the AHL, it's a good league, very few players are too good for it at 19-20 yrs old.

I don't know if I agree with your assessment of his play in the CHL - third in the WHL in ppg, would have been 8th in the Q and 8th in the OHL. He's a top 20 scorer in the CHL and if you take out the overage players he's top 10. But definitely right about the AHL. Marchand logged a full season in the A and parts of another season before making the leap to full time status with the Bruins. The AHL will be really good for him plus maybe a couple of earned callups, barring disastrous injuries to the NHL roster.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I guess I remember it differently, but there was talk of keeping to start the season with the big club. But I'm sure you got links to provide your view point since you are so sure.

I recall him being amazing in the pre season game, until he let his emotions get the better of him and got suspended. Then you could read between the lines of him needing more time to mature and fully learn the role of the pest - while also having legit skillz.

His goal was phat as shit. He's gonna be a wonderful player, but I also think he needs 40 games or so with Mann to work on all aspects. And not only that, hit to hurt, sure, but never, ever cross that line where you're being called in for a hearing, because once you start down that road...

 

[aragorn]

The better the bottom six the better the team is, I don't see Greig on the 4th line at all, but eventually somewhere in the top 9. I think he starts the yr in the AHL depending on what happens with Formenton & Batherson taking the same path as Norris. If he has a good yr than we'll see where he fits in moving forward. They have two good top lines & need to create a very good 3rd line that is responsible defensively & can add pts offensively too.

I would much rather see Sokolov replace Watson at 4th line RD, Kastelic replace Gambrell at 4th line C & have then make a trade to bring in a very good 4th line LW player who can also be an enforcer when they need that in Crouse. They have the assets & they will need an enforcer at some point once Watson is gone. Of course, their main priority at the moment is the defence & improving it substantially. Hopefully, the goaltending has improved dramatically as well.

 

[Sweatred]

Yip, there was that. But also they considered keeping him for the 9 games. In any case, I'm just reading the tea leaves that the org is high on him and he's always been pushed to play in higher leagues. Perhaps I was wrong in my memory that he almost made the team.

I still stand that if he outplays Kelly in camp, he'll make the team. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Generally I agree with you… I think If Greig crushes training camp he will put him self in a position to make the team. On the other hand, I doubt Greig plays 4LW minutes with the Sens so it will take an injury, trade, or a Formy issue for 3LW to be open.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Keep him up for 1 game to burn his suspension, then send to Belleville.

Don’t need the suspension in the way when you want to call him up.

 

[Larionov]

Is Grieg going to this August make up World Juniors, or not? From what I read, it seems like any player scheduled to attend an NHL camp in September is taking a pass on the World Juniors. Apparently Canada is now down 15 players and counting. I'd be curious to know if the NHL teams are advising players not to go, or leaving it up to them. (My guess is the former.)

 

[Sweatred]

Keep him up for 1 game to burn his suspension, then send to Belleville.

Don’t need the suspension in the way when you want to call him up.

He’s D+3 now … if he shows he can contribute to this team having a good start and demonstrate that his developmental will continue on the same or better path there is nothing wrong with playing him to start the season.

 

[Sweatred]

Wrong. If he shows by his play in camp that he is ready to play 4th line in the NHL, he should still be sent to the AHL.

We all know he’s not going to make the team and play 7 minutes a night - that’s a useless point that has already been addressed in this thread.

 

[GCK]

We all know he’s not going to make the team and play 7 minutes a night - that’s a useless point that has already been addressed in this thread.

Hadn’t been addressed when I responded to your bad take.

 

[Sweatred]

Hadn’t been addressed when I responded to your bad take.

Didn’t we all know that the Sens aren’t playing a rookie 5 min a night ? Felt obvious …

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I created some 2022 season highlight videos. Here is one for Ridly Greig::

already know he's going to be one of our favourite Senators.

 

[Good in Osgoode]

Is Grieg going to this August make up World Juniors, or not? From what I read, it seems like any player scheduled to attend an NHL camp in September is taking a pass on the World Juniors. Apparently Canada is now down 15 players and counting. I'd be curious to know if the NHL teams are advising players not to go, or leaving it up to them. (My guess is the former.)

Would the number of players dropping from the World Juniors, was curious to see if this might open up a potential spot for Zack Ostapchuk (who is currently on the Summer Camp Roster)?

 

[kellmuff96]

I think he'll do about a half season in the AHL though the full year wouldnt hurt. AHL time did wonders for Norris, Batherson, Formenton, etc. No need to rush him IMO though I think he forces managements hand with his play this year tbh,

 

[playasRus]

Give him the same road our recent graduated top 9 went through in Batherson/Norris/Formenton - 20-40 games in NHL pending injuries, 40-60 in AHL pending WJHC...etc.

Could argue Pinto could have benefited from half a season in the AHL.

I like what we're doing with the other fringe guys like Lassi, JBD and to a degree even Brannstrom (who may have been rushed a bit but also showed to be too good for the AHL.).

 

[Cosmix]

I think he'll do about a half season in the AHL though the full year wouldnt hurt. AHL time did wonders for Norris, Batherson, Formenton, etc. No need to rush him IMO though I think he forces managements hand with his play this year tbh,

I think Greig should play in the AHL for the entire season to allow him to age and mature for another year (put on some weight and muscle). Then in 2023-24 he can compete for a spot.

We have the following roster for next season:

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Debrincat - Stutzle - Giroux
Formenton - Pinto - Joseph
Kelly - Gambrell - Watson

Potential 13th Forward: Kastelic

Chabot - Zub
Brannstrom - Hamonic
Sanderson - Zaitsev

7th D: Holden

Forsberg
Talbot

There is no need to rush him and risk injuries.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I think Greig should play in the AHL for the entire season to allow him to age and mature for another year (put on some weight and muscle). Then in 2023-24 he can compete for a spot.

We have the following roster for next season:

Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Debrincat - Stutzle - Giroux
Formenton - Pinto - Joseph
Kelly - Gambrell - Watson

Potential 13th Forward: Kastelic

Chabot - Zub
Brannstrom - Hamonic
Sanderson - Zaitsev

7th D: Holden

Forsberg
Talbot

There is no need to rush him and risk injuries.

I'm mostly on board with this. I'd have Zaitsev out and Holden in at 3RD and, depending on how Sanderson looks early he'd move up to the second pairing.

 

[playasRus]

A year in the A also allow him to take on more of an offensive role and develop, rather than a dump and chase safe play while killing 30 seconds so the big guns test in the NHL.