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aufheben said:
Why is booing stupid but cheering isn't? He deserves it. What are the fans supposed to do? Chant in unison: "Hey Nash, we are concerned about your play, and are frustrated by your lack of goals!"?

The fans are paying him to do a job and he isn't doing it.
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Because cheering encourages the results fans want, and booing discourages them.

Fans want Nash to play well. They boo to make the point that he's not playing well, which he is obviously aware of, and would very clearly change if it were immediately in his power to do so. The booing therefore serves no purpose except to maybe bum him out further and make him play worse. So, people who want Nash to play better are, if anything, discouraging him. How is that not stupid?
 
Aw poor Ricky is discouraged. Show some heart, get angry, go out there and shut the fans the hell up.

But we're talking about Rick Nash here; a fan could throw a beer at
him and he'd still be wearing that dumb smile. I refuse to believe that pretty much anything actually bums this guy out; if these bad vibes so acutely penetrate his soul, he'll have all summer (starting this weekend of course, lucky for him) to compose clarinet nocturnes or write poetry.
 
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Nash thought he had a good post-season last year. From his post-game comments yesterday he thinks the Boos were just because of the SHG.

DOES he know he is playing bad overall? Jesus christ, it is like this guy doesn't have a clue.
 
Exactly, if you don't want the fans to boo, do what you are paid enormous amounts of money to do(which fans basically pay for), show some passion and score some ****ing goals !!
 
haveandare said:
Because cheering encourages the results fans want, and booing discourages them.

Fans want Nash to play well. They boo to make the point that he's not playing well, which he is obviously aware of, and would very clearly change if it were immediately in his power to do so. The booing therefore serves no purpose except to maybe bum him out further and make him play worse. So, people who want Nash to play better are, if anything, discouraging him. How is that not stupid?
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Wow really ? You think the guy who when asked last year about his playoff performance said he thought he played pretty well is Obviously aware that he is not playing well ? The same guy who seems to suggest he got boo'd last night because of a turnover and not because he has been sucking balls in the post season his entire career and more recently in front of the Ranger faithful ?

Even the quotes from last night seem to suggest his teammates also think it was just last night and not the entire body of work. THEY ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH.

Telling someone who thinks they are doing well that they are in fact sucking is a much needed exercise. Does Nash care ? I highly doubt it. Because if he did care it we wouldn't be having these conversations. People get pissed when he doesn't score goals. People BOO when they see someone who is not TRYING to make a difference. Last night was a perfect example. The Zucc Brass Poo line goes out and starts throwing the body. The fans see these guys trying to do whatever they can to make something happen. The Fans respond. That isnt their game per se. They came out of their comfort zone to TRY

Rick Nash showed glimpses of this in game 7 against philly. He threw his body and attempted to help his team anyway he could. THAT is what people want out of the players they root for. Going through the motions and generally playing passenger is NOT. The BOOing is his reality check. He can ignore it which im sure he will or he could re-evaluate himself. I doubt anything positive will come out of it simply because he is coddled. Richards thinks it is unfair, AV thinks it is unfair blah blah blah. You know whats unfair ? a large majority of homegrown players shipped out for a guy who was supposed to put us over the hump who has not only FAILED to do that but shows no pride or desire to do so.
 
haveandare said:
Because cheering encourages the results fans want, and booing discourages them.

Fans want Nash to play well. They boo to make the point that he's not playing well, which he is obviously aware of, and would very clearly change if it were immediately in his power to do so. The booing therefore serves no purpose except to maybe bum him out further and make him play worse. So, people who want Nash to play better are, if anything, discouraging him. How is that not stupid?
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I'm not quite sure he feels anything due to cheering or booing, unfortunately. I, for one, would be fueled by booing, knowing that I'm not playing up to what I should be, but even more so by wanting to prove the disapprovers wrong.

On the flip side, msg is a graveyard now, and some sustained cheering would be nice for the majority of the game...yet their play doesn't warrant much of a response.
 
NYRKindms said:
Wow really ? You think the guy who when asked last year about his playoff performance said he thought he played pretty well is Obviously aware that he is not playing well ? The same guy who seems to suggest he got boo'd last night because of a turnover and not because he has been sucking balls in the post season his entire career and more recently in front of the Ranger faithful ?

Even the quotes from last night seem to suggest his teammates also think it was just last night and not the entire body of work. THEY ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH.

Telling someone who thinks they are doing well that they are in fact sucking is a much needed exercise. Does Nash care ? I highly doubt it. Because if he did care it we wouldn't be having these conversations. People get pissed when he doesn't score goals. People BOO when they see someone who is not TRYING to make a difference. Last night was a perfect example. The Zucc Brass Poo line goes out and starts throwing the body. The fans see these guys trying to do whatever they can to make something happen. The Fans respond. That isnt their game per se. They came out of their comfort zone to TRY

Rick Nash showed glimpses of this in game 7 against philly. He threw his body and attempted to help his team anyway he could. THAT is what people want out of the players they root for. Going through the motions and generally playing passenger is NOT. The BOOing is his reality check. He can ignore it which im sure he will or he could re-evaluate himself. I doubt anything positive will come out of it simply because he is coddled. Richards thinks it is unfair, AV thinks it is unfair blah blah blah. You know whats unfair ? a large majority of homegrown players shipped out for a guy who was supposed to put us over the hump who has not only FAILED to do that but shows no pride or desire to do so.
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I'm confused. So, the players didn't get anything out of the booing, and they're completely out of touch, but booing them is a needed exercise, despite it being completely ineffective in terms of accomplishing the stated goal?

I personally don't believe for even a fraction of a second that Nash could just re-evaluate some mushy part of who he is as a player and all of a sudden be everything fans want him to be. People here want the team to win, they want Nash to play well. Does anybody honest to god think that they care more about Nash and the Rangers than Nash himself and the Rangers themselves do? However much you want it, Nash wants it a million times more. This is his life. This is a game we watch every other day for a part of the year. If it was as easy and thinking of something, it'd be done.
 
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This line of thought about Stepan is just so far beyond hope, I just don't even... (and, by the way, is a symptom of the sort of thinking that year in and year out actually believes that this team is a piece or two away from being a contender). Truly good players are good even when they have subpar linemates. Good players make lesser players around them better. Good players should not need "better players on their line" in order to be carried. Good players do the carrying. And while Nash and MSL have had a lackluster playoffs; pretty sure they aren't some sort of invalids. Stepan is not a 1c. Anyone who still believes so, I just don't know what to say.
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I still think Stepan is as close to a 1C as the rangers will ever have.

As for him having better line mates. It's more a situation where Nash and Msl made him worse.

I mean put Crosby with a guy who skates the puck down the ice. Does a lazy little wrist shot on net. Then doesn't win a battle along the boards. How much does that benefit crosby?
 
He deserves the boos. Richards and others complaining about it? How mentally soft are these guys. Nash hasn't delivered once with us in the postseason. 3 on 1 last night and he shoots wide and doesn't even attempt to challenge Fluery. Just another pathetic showing from our 7.8 mil man yet again. Imagine how good this guy would be if he had the drive of Zuccarello.
 
haveandare said:
I'm confused. So, the players didn't get anything out of the booing, and they're completely out of touch, but booing them is a needed exercise, despite it being completely ineffective in terms of accomplishing the stated goal?

I personally don't believe for even a fraction of a second that Nash could just re-evaluate some mushy part of who he is as a player and all of a sudden be everything fans want him to be. People here want the team to win, they want Nash to play well. Does anybody honest to god think that they care more about Nash and the Rangers than Nash himself and the Rangers themselves do? However much you want it, Nash wants it a million times more. This is his life. This is a game we watch every other day for a part of the year. If it was as easy and thinking of something, it'd be done.
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Nash wants it a million times more ? He has a really funny way of showing it. Answer me this. Prior to Rick Nash's concussion was he a more physical player ? If your answer is YES, than Rick Nash did evaluate the way he was playing and decided it was best for Rick Nash to not play that way any more.

Let me ask you this. Do you feel that the NY Rangers, including Rick Nash left everything on the ice last night ? Not results but effort. Pure and simple effort. Like hussling and fighting for every inch and making the pens have to play hard to get everything ? Like if you went in to the locker room that every guy from top down couldn't lift there sticks because they left it all on the ice ?

It certainly didn't look that way to me. These guys are paid HUGE amounts of money to do just that. in a game purported to be a MUST WIN there was none of that WANTING it.
 
nyrleetch said:
He deserves the boos. Richards and others complaining about it? How mentally soft are these guys. Nash hasn't delivered once with us in the postseason. 3 on 1 last night and he shoots wide and doesn't even attempt to challenge Fluery. Just another pathetic showing from our 7.8 mil man yet again. Imagine how good this guy would be if he had the drive of Zuccarello.
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There's a reason guys like Zuke and MSL have that drive and guys like Nash don't. Nash has been dominant his entire life because of his size and skill. Small, undrafted players have a chip on their shoulder and had to fight tooth and nail for their spot. Its simply not within Nash's mentality, constitution, whatever, to become that player. It never has been before, and its not suddenly going to happen when he's almost 30. Combined that with the fact he's got very limited hockey sense (something MSL and Zuke have in bunches) and you have we have.
 
Rick doesn't have that fiery competitiveness to him like every other superstar in this league.

Rick is no superstar.
 
xsniper11x said:
There's a reason guys like Zuke and MSL have that drive and guys like Nash don't. Nash has been dominant his entire life because of his size and skill. Small, undrafted players have a chip on their shoulder and had to fight tooth and nail for their spot. Its simply not within Nash's mentality, constitution, whatever, to become that player. It never has been before, and its not suddenly going to happen when he's almost 30. Combined that with the fact he's got very limited hockey sense (something MSL and Zuke have in bunches) and you have we have.
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Msl has lots of hockey sense? He had more passes to the penguins than to the rangers
 
slipknottin said:
Msl has lots of hockey sense? He had more passes to the penguins than to the rangers
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MSL had a horrible game last night, but he is one of the smartest hockey players in the game. If you've watched him over his career, you'd know this.

Nash on the other hand....
 
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Riverdale said:
Nash thought he had a good post-season last year. From his post-game comments yesterday he thinks the Boos were just because of the SHG.

DOES he know he is playing bad overall? Jesus christ, it is like this guy doesn't have a clue.
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he doesn't. It does not help that AV keeps saying that Nash is trying "real hard"...that's on AV. But Nash on his own is clueless about just how bad he is playing...to him trying is shooting the puck from the blueline.
 
AHB said:
MSL had a horrible game last night, but he is one of the smartest hockey players in the game. If you've watched him over his career, you'd know this.

Nash on the other hand....
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Msl was one of the smartest. So was Richards. Now they are both clueless. Nash has better hockey sense than either. He's just afraid of being bumped
 
Evgeny Oliker said:
he doesn't. It does not help that AV keeps saying that Nash is trying "real hard"...that's on AV. But Nash on his own is clueless about just how bad is he playing...to him trying is shooting the puck from the blueline.
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AV is just trying to defend his player - he must feel Nash can't handle direct criticism and needs some support. Doesn't mean AV actually believes what he's saying.
 
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Jersey Girl said:
AV is just trying to defend his player - he must feel Nash can't handle direct criticism and needs some support. Doesn't mean AV actually believes what he's saying.
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why should he defend him then?

If Nash doesn't have BALLS, then he needs to get some! The coach should never have to "support" his star players by cuddling them or defending them to the media/public. Mark Messier never needed this...neither did anyone on our 1994 Cup team. Grow some BALLS and take the criticism Nash!
 
Evgeny Oliker said:
why should he defend him then?

If Nash doesn't have BALLS, then he needs to get some! The coach should never have to "support" his star players by cuddling them or defending them to the media/public. Mark Messier never needed this...neither did anyone on our 1994 Cup team. Grow some BALLS and take the criticism Nash!
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I don't disagree with your overall premise, but AV knows Nash better than we do, and he obviously thinks this approach has the best chance of reaping improvement in game five.
 
Look at Gaborik playing with LA and Kopitar, the puck is finding him and he is scoring because players around him are creative and opening up some areas for him. Nash is trying to make the plays, you don't see Stepan creating room for him and feeding him the puck. I think having Kreider back will help in this area and had Kreider been there all along I'm guessing Nash would have a few goals by now. I really think the play of Stepan has been so bad in the playoffs, I know he is a decent center but with his lack of speed I think he belongs on the third line, possible 2 if playing well and we need someone who can skate as the number 1 center.
 
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Sayba said:
Look at Gaborik playing with LA and Kopitar, the puck is finding him and he is scoring because players around him are creative and opening up some areas for him. Nash is trying to make the plays, you don't see Stepan creating room for him and feeding him the puck. I think having Kreider back will help in this area and had Kreider been there all along I'm guessing Nash would have a few goals by now. I really think the play of Stepan has been so bad in the playoffs, I know he is a decent center but with his lack of speed I think he belongs on the third line, possible 2 if playing well and we need someone who can skate as the number 1 center.
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Stepan moves the puck to Nash everytime he gets it. Then Nash proceeds to do a little dump in or wrist it from the blue line. Not sure how stepan is supposed to set Nash up when Nash already has the puck
 
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