Rick Nash

[FOD]

Agreed. I absolutely hated when Rozy was booed and thought it was undeserved. And the booing of Gomez and Drury during Howell and Bathgate's retirement was disgraceful, that's not the right time and place for that.

But I was OK with it last night. I am harder on the players of this team than I was in previous years. They pinned a lot of their troubles on the coach last year, and as it turns out they still struggle offensively and are incapable of self-motivation. If the players can't hold themselves accountable, and the organization won't either, then I have no problem if the fans take it upon themselves to do so.

I would say this is absolutely true for Nash. No heart. However, I think the problem with the rest of the team is they have a bunch of good to great regular season players who absolutely cannot raise their game to the level needed to get to the Finals. From Lundqvist, to McDonagh to Stepan who has been terrible.

 

[AHB*]

I would say this is absolutely true for Nash. No heart. However, I think the problem with the rest of the team is they have a bunch of good to great regular season players who absolutely cannot raise their game to the level needed to get to the Finals. From Lundqvist, to McDonagh to Stepan who has been terrible.

McDonagh is 100% playing injured. He is and will be a fantastic player moving forward.

Stepan on the other hand....

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

McDonagh is 100% playing injured. He is and will be a fantastic player moving forward.

Stepan on the other hand....

Stepan will be fine if hes ever slotted to where he belongs.

 

[NYRKindms]

McDonagh is 100% playing injured. He is and will be a fantastic player moving forward.

Stepan on the other hand....

Does Stepan get the Dubi treatment and get shipped out after holding out and putting in a lack luster season ?

 

[Captain Monglobster]

Unlike MSL and Richards Nash has trade value which is why he needs to go. The man has the hockey IQ of Zherdev and does not know what it takes to win. Hes a square peg in a round hole player.

The effort has been there occasionally - thats be best I can say for him. Hes no Malkin but he should be playing a Malkin style game at least. A guy with size and a shot like that should be dominating out there in some shape or form.

Gaborik got alot of flak but he played with a torn labrum and still scored some big goals. I don't see Nash as that kind of warrior.

 

[AHB*]

Does Stepan get the Dubi treatment and get shipped out after holding out and putting in a lack luster season ?

He had a fine season, but as I've said way to many times, we will never win a cup with him as the #1.

He'd be a very nice #2. Although I'd hope he practices face-offs every single second of every single day this summer.

 

[Riverdale]

Does Stepan get the Dubi treatment and get shipped out after holding out and putting in a lack luster season ?

I hope not.

Stepan needs to be better in the playoffs, but he is a good 2c. Those expecting him to be a great first line center don't have realistic expectations.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

I honestly believe Rick Nash has been Lindros'd. What a shame. I'm interested to see how he looks next year with a full offseason to recuperate but I'm not holding my breath. At this point, we can't trade him; his value is in the ******* and the fact is that concussed or not he's still a solid regular season producer. Pretty sure he led the team in GWG this season

 

[eco's bones]

Rick Nash doesn't have much of an angry game. What's good for the regular season needs to step up for the playoffs. The weakest teams don't make the playoffs. Nash seems incapable of raising his game. It's okay if you're the Canadian Olympic team and play him on your bottom lines. When you're looking for someone to lead the way--he's not there. This guy doesn't have real edge IMO. He had it for one game this season against his former Columbus team and that was it.

 

[eco's bones]

On the subject of booing. It's pretty much counterproductive IMO. You're almost better just walking away. On the other hand it's a free country and it's not up to me to tell someone to cork their anger when the team they pay money to see puts out a **** effort.

If nothing else maybe Slats hears the boos and understands why and if not maybe Dolan does and then they make such decisions that these occurrences don't happen again. Well----we can hope-I suppose.

 

[slipknottin]

I think stepan is fine. He just needs better players on his line than bums like Nash and Msl.

It's not a coincidence he was skating better when Kreider was back on his line

 

[haveandare]

It's way worse to blindly cheer for anyone no matter what just because a GM signed or traded for them. I hate zealots and fanatics so I'm ecstatic to see fans booing this sports player for failing miserably. Although I admit it goes against my every instinct to boo my own player in the PO's and I don't think I'd do it.

Though i do routinely curse them out...actually come to think of I'd venture a guess that many of you guys (maybe with very very few exceptions) are being enormous hypocrites. The oft-times vicious attacks people launch on here and from the comfort of their couch at the TV are way worse than simply booing. So because we're anonymous it's ok to boo your own players but when you are live you can't? Thinking about it in that regard every fan has every right to boo their team off the damn ice every game if they want. I wouldn't recommend it for obvious reasons. Too bad for anyone who doesn't like it...especially if it's deserved. I'm booing from now on...oh wait I don't go to any games b/c I refuse to give money to support Dolan and Sather. I'll just continue to boo and curse and vent from my living room like I'm sure all of you people do despite acting all high and mighty about booing.

To my last point the people who give money which indirectly goes to lining Nash's pockets as well as Sathers and Dolans are complete buffoons. To compound their idiocy by booing but not realizing they are the problem...

No. It's "ok" because you're not screaming them to their face while they're on the ice trying to play. In fact, I'd bet very nearly 100% of the criticisms people level here are never seen, heard, or thought of by the players they're directed at.

You have a "right" to do many, many things that are just stupid and/or careless to do. Nobody is arguing that people aren't allowed to boo players. The question is, in my opinion - what are you trying to accomplish? And how on earth do you think booing is going to accomplish it? If you just want to make a stranger who isn't living up to your athletic standards feel bad, then boo away, because you will accomplish that task. If you want that player to be better, 9 times out of 10, booing is counterproductive, because people who respond well to heated criticism are few and far between.

And no, I don't yell or curse or boo the TV because it's a sports game being played by practical strangers miles and miles away. It's not worth the emotional investment IMO. I hope they win, yes. I'd like to see them succeed, yes. If they lose, they lose. I decided to watch, and I can almost always find some entertainment in the progression of players' and franchises' stories.

Also, you're not a buffoon by going to a game if you want to go to a game. You're staying home has done absolutely nothing to hurt Sather or Dolan or their bottom line. If you think it's worth staying home just to save yourself the money, that's fine, and I agree 99 times out of 100. But what on earth do you care about other people going to a game and enjoying themselves? "If everyone stayed home, we'd show them!" Yeah, if everyone did a lot of things we'd accomplish a lot of things. But they don't. And we don't. And such is life.

Bottom line, Nash hasn't been nearly good enough in the playoffs. He knows it. You can see it and hear it in everything he does and says. People can boo him if they want. If it's just about some catharsis for yourself, go wild I guess. I wouldn't, but everyone is free to decide for themselves. But, if you wanna light a fire under him, think about it for a second because it seems obvious to me that the fire he's trying to light under himself isn't going to get bigger as 20K fans boo him.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I said it on the main boards and I'll say it here.

Overrated, overpaid and overweight hack.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

No. It's "ok" because you're not screaming them to their face while they're on the ice trying to play. In fact, I'd bet very nearly 100% of the criticisms people level here are never seen, heard, or thought of by the players they're directed at.

You have a "right" to do many, many things that are just stupid and/or careless to do. Nobody is arguing that people aren't allowed to boo players. The question is, in my opinion - what are you trying to accomplish? And how on earth do you think booing is going to accomplish it? If you just want to make a stranger who isn't living up to your athletic standards feel bad, then boo away, because you will accomplish that task. If you want that player to be better, 9 times out of 10, booing is counterproductive, because people who respond well to heated criticism are few and far between.

And no, I don't yell or curse or boo the TV because it's a sports game being played by practical strangers miles and miles away. It's not worth the emotional investment IMO. I hope they win, yes. I'd like to see them succeed, yes. If they lose, they lose. I decided to watch, and I can almost always find some entertainment in the progression of players' and franchises' stories.

Also, you're not a buffoon by going to a game if you want to go to a game. You're staying home has done absolutely nothing to hurt Sather or Dolan or their bottom line. If you think it's worth staying home just to save yourself the money, that's fine, and I agree 99 times out of 100. But what on earth do you care about other people going to a game and enjoying themselves? "If everyone stayed home, we'd show them!" Yeah, if everyone did a lot of things we'd accomplish a lot of things. But they don't. And we don't. And such is life.

Bottom line, Nash hasn't been nearly good enough in the playoffs. He knows it. You can see it and hear it in everything he does and says. People can boo him if they want. If it's just about some catharsis for yourself, go wild I guess. I wouldn't, but everyone is free to decide for themselves. But, if you wanna light a fire under him, think about it for a second because it seems obvious to me that the fire he's trying to light under himself isn't going to get bigger as 20K fans boo him.

These people paid a lot of money to go to a playoff game, and for what? To watch the team's highest paid forwards mail it in out there during a must-win game?

That combined with Nash's 23 heartless playoff games before that is more than boo worthy.

 

[AHB*]

These people paid a lot of money to go to a playoff game, and for what? To watch the team's highest paid forwards mail it in out there during a must-win game?

That combined with Nash's 23 heartless playoff games before that is more than boo worthy.

Yea, I pretty much disagree with everything the poster you quoted said.

Also, just because he doesn't see sports as an emotional investment, doesn't mean many others don't. It also doesn't make people who get emotionally invested stupid.

In fact, I think sports is an incredibly healthy outlet for people's emotions. Of course there will be fanatics who take it a little too far, but in general, I think it's completely fine to be very upset/happy over your team.

Booing I also have no problem with whatsoever. Nash completely deserved to be booed off the ice last night. We are indirectly the reason he is so wealthy. It may not matter if I leave, but 20,000 people who are angered at a player. More when you think of how many were at home and yelling at him.

If you look at some soccer events, most recently with Man United, you'll see that fans do impact games/changes. Not one, but in mass, for certain.

 

[Richter Scale]

I think stepan is fine. He just needs better players on his line than bums like Nash and Msl.

It's not a coincidence he was skating better when Kreider was back on his line

This line of thought about Stepan is just so far beyond hope, I just don't even... (and, by the way, is a symptom of the sort of thinking that year in and year out actually believes that this team is a piece or two away from being a contender). Truly good players are good even when they have subpar linemates. Good players make lesser players around them better. Good players should not need "better players on their line" in order to be carried. Good players do the carrying. And while Nash and MSL have had a lackluster playoffs; pretty sure they aren't some sort of invalids. Stepan is not a 1c. Anyone who still believes so, I just don't know what to say.


I know this is a thread about Nash; and to keep my post somewhat on topic I'll say Nash has been incredibly disappointing in the playoffs. Love the defensive aspect he added to his game (in the Flyers series mostly), but the lack of goals is just completely unacceptable. AV needs to stop defending and coddling him in post game interviews. He's a big boy; he should be able to deal with some justified criticism. Can't wait to hear what this 1-goal-per-24-playoff-games-8-million-dollar-winger says on breakup day about his playoff performance this year.

 

[aufheben]

Why is booing stupid but cheering isn't? He deserves it. What are the fans supposed to do? Chant in unison: "Hey Nash, we are concerned about your play, and are frustrated by your lack of goals!"?

The fans are paying him to do a job and he isn't doing it.

 

[Riverdale]

Why is booing stupid but cheering isn't? He deserves it. What are the fans supposed to do? Chant in unison: "Hey Nash, we are concerned about your play, and are frustrated by your lack of goals!"?

The fans are paying him to do a job and he isn't doing it.

But what if you hurt his feelings!?

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Nash played hard last series, even without any goals.

This series he has looked absolutely awful.

Unfortunate when trades with a good process turn out to fail. What a ****ing let down.

Only way to vindicate this joke of a performance would be to score a goal in every remaining game this series until we lose.

 

[aufheben]

But what if you hurt his feelings!?

Can you bruise apathy?

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

But what if you hurt his feelings!?

Then he asks to be traded. Win/win.

 

[Trxjw]

McDonagh is 100% playing injured. He is and will be a fantastic player moving forward.

Stepan on the other hand....

Ever consider that Stepan could also be playing through an injury?

 

[aufheben]

Nonetheless, Stepan's production (a titanic 4 pts in 11 games) is right in line with his usual PO production; a concern casually bushed aside during the previous months.

 

[EspenK]

Haven't read the whole thread but from a Jackets' fans perspective most of us are glad he's gone. s a matter of fact there is a discussion on our board about IF you did buy him out would we want him back? My answer was no and many agreed although some would take him at low $$.

He peaked in his second or third season, had a couple of pretty good all round years under Hitchcock and since then pretty much was like you have seen this year-impressive in streaks but then disappearing for games at a time. And when the going gets tough-Nash is nowhere to be found.

If he had the heart of Iginla or Dubi he would be a superstar. Unfortunately he is the Tin Man

 

[haveandare]

These people paid a lot of money to go to a playoff game, and for what? To watch the team's highest paid forwards mail it in out there during a must-win game?

That combined with Nash's 23 heartless playoff games before that is more than boo worthy.

Was that somehow not a possibility when they bought tickets? That's the nature of sporting events. Sometimes you pay money to watch your team lose miserably, no matter what team and no matter what sport.

Yea, I pretty much disagree with everything the poster you quoted said.

Also, just because he doesn't see sports as an emotional investment, doesn't mean many others don't. It also doesn't make people who get emotionally invested stupid.

In fact, I think sports is an incredibly healthy outlet for people's emotions. Of course there will be fanatics who take it a little too far, but in general, I think it's completely fine to be very upset/happy over your team.

Booing I also have no problem with whatsoever. Nash completely deserved to be booed off the ice last night. We are indirectly the reason he is so wealthy. It may not matter if I leave, but 20,000 people who are angered at a player. More when you think of how many were at home and yelling at him.

If you look at some soccer events, most recently with Man United, you'll see that fans do impact games/changes. Not one, but in mass, for certain.

Honestly, I totally agree with you. My opinions are my opinions and I don't necessarily expect them to be representative of what other people need to think.

Other people invest emotionally in the sport more than I do. That's fine. I can't speak for them though, I can only speak for myself, so I share my own opinions.

I agree that sports can be a good outlet for emotions as well. Personally, I think playing them is better as an outlet, because being a fan is a very passive activity and I personally have a better time when I invest emotions in something that I have a hand in the outcome of. But, whatever, to each his/her own. I get that.

I understand why you think the booing is fine. It's not completely off base or out there in my opinion. I understand that logic. For me though, it seems obvious that Nash isn't the kind of guy who responds to being shat on. He's kind of meek. A guy like Dubi I could see responding to something like this, and I don't mean to compare them because of the trade, Dubi is just a perfect example of a guy with the right attitude for this type of thing IMO.

So, for me, I think Nash isn't going to respond to this type of thing, so what's the end game? Let him know he's playing poorly? He knows. He's said it. Make yourself feel better? Okay, yeah, that works. But is it worth it at the expense of giving Nash yet another thing to be hung up on? I could see it being a situation then where people boo him because he's bad, the booing makes him worse, and then the same people get indignant about how bad he is. We can say he needs to toughen up, whatever, the fact remains that almost none of us know the feeling of being booed by 20,000 people who you count on to support you while you play. I'd imagine it sucks pretty bad.