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Rick Nash.....1 goal in 20 NYR playoff games

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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
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The numbers lie, unless you can find numbers that don't.

0 goals in the first round, and 1 goal in 19 playoff games for the Rangers is disappointing any way you slice it. He has been getting better and applying more urgency to his game, but he needs to pot one and get the monkey off his back.
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You know what I meant...the simple numbers..Goals for (ie "potting one") lie. He hasnt scored.

yes, we all know that. But, if you think he's played terrible, well, thats your opinion and youre entitled to it. I thought he was our best forward over the course of the entire series.
 
Inferno said:
The numbers lie, for the most part.

The average fan will say he sucks, hes not worth his paycheck, blah blah blah.

It's typical nonsensical overdramatized fandom.

He didnt score. But he generated chances. One has to wonder how many of his long shots were intentional to get offensive zone faceoffs, it seemed like that was a strategy that many of the lines were doing.

He had several in close chances, he hit at least 1 post, he drove the net, etc. Mason played fantastic, his linemates were hit or miss. Frankly I thought Stepan was the best player on his line all series long but I dont think his stats show that at all...

Advanced stats, and the eyeball test (to me) show that Nash was a tremendous player in the first round...could he buy a goal? No. But he had 4 assists at least, generated tons of chances, played excellent defensively, backchecked harder than anyone on his line, etc.

Those kinds of things arent sexy. PPL will remember Pouliots goal last night, they wont remember 50 million idiotic penalties.

Nature of being a fan in a large fan base. The complainers have the loudest voices.
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Tremendous? Maybe on a shift-to-shift basis.

Zero goals. Zero. There is no justification for that. The eyeball test says that most of his shot attempts were from 40 feet or more, or from the angle.

The eyeball test can point to a blocked shot here, a strong move there. But for seven games he did not score after going through a similar issue last year.

An ugly girl who cooks a mean scampi is still an ugly girl. Nash not scoring shouldn't magnify the handful of things he did sparingly in a long series.
 
Inferno said:
You know what I meant...the simple numbers..Goals for (ie "potting one") lie. He hasnt scored.

yes, we all know that. But, if you think he's played terrible, well, thats your opinion and youre entitled to it. I thought he was our best forward over the course of the entire series.
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I disagree that he was the best forward, but I think hes getting better in the playoffs. Results would be nice.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
They need to be split apart.
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Where do you move them, though? Do you jettison MSL down to Richards's line, again? Move headless chicken up to Nash's?

I think that they can be split when Kreider returns but I wouldn't do it yet since I really don't want Hagelin up with Nash and Stepan.

Kreider's injury just complicates so many things. It's very unfortunate.
 
Inferno said:
That's great.

Toews in the first round of the playoffs last year. 0G 2A, and both assists were in the last game, a blowout win.

Second Round. 1G 3A

3rd Round. 0G 2A

Finals 2G 3A


He had 3 goals in the entire playoffs last year. 3.




Sidney Crosby

0 Goals this entire playoffs so far.

0 Goals in his last 11 Playoff Games



I know you, and every other hater doesnt want to hear this...but sometimes, even the greats get shut down by other teams/go into funks/etc


I could dig up the threads on what a loser Marian Hossa, Pavel Datsyuk, etc were for being such terrible playoff performers.

They now each have what...2 or 3 cups to their names?


Playoffs are a team sport, you need depth, you need other players to step up, and your best players need to play well.

Nash has played well...Goals arent coming, but he's been a beast out there.

I forgot though that we live in a get goals or GTFO world where nuance has no place.
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I'm a hater? That's funny. A few pages back I defended Nash. In fact, I'm one of the few guys who did all season.

Datsyuk, Toews, Crosby?

All Cup champs with dominant series on their resumes.

When has Nash ever dominated a series?

2 goals in 23 career playoff games.

2

Sorry but you're not sugarcoating that no matter how hard you try.
 
Nash was excellent last night. In the playoffs player analysis is not all or nothing. Nash can be utter crap and score 5 goals and that means everyone has to love him?

He did everything last night but score, he was excellent. If he keeps playing like that, scoring will not matter, it will happen. He is in a scoring slump yes but he was one of the better forwards last night if not the best, so who cares.
 
Miamipuck said:
Nash was excellent last night. In the playoffs player analysis is not all or nothing. Nash can be utter crap and score 5 goals and that means everyone has to love him?

He did everything last night but score, he was excellent. If he keeps playing like that, scoring will not matter, it will happen. He is in a scoring slump yes but he was one of the better forwards last night if not the best, so who cares.
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We need Nash to play hard more than once or twice every seven playoff games
 
Miamipuck said:
Nash was excellent last night. In the playoffs player analysis is not all or nothing. Nash can be utter crap and score 5 goals and that means everyone has to love him?

He did everything last night but score, he was excellent. If he keeps playing like that, scoring will not matter, it will happen. He is in a scoring slump yes but he was one of the better forwards last night if not the best, so who cares.
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One game. He needs to be consistent. He's a star. Everybody outside of this board felt Nash wasn't engaged enough until last night.

Nash needs to score. Nash scoring makes winning easier. Winning easier rests players. Rested players perform better.

Simple formula but it works. The longer Nash goes without scoring the more gets added to him and his teammates.

You're a goal scorer. Score goals. There are other guys on the team to deflect shots and finish checks.

Score goals.
 
GWOW said:
One game. He needs to be consistent. He's a star. Everybody outside of this board felt Nash wasn't engaged enough until last night.

Nash needs to score. Nash scoring makes winning easier. Winning easier rests players. Rested players perform better.

Simple formula but it works. The longer Nash goes without scoring the more gets added to him and his teammates.

You're a goal scorer. Score goals. There are other guys on the team to deflect shots and finish checks.

Score goals.
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Pretty much every goal scorer I have ever seen after the mid 90's (obviously scoring 60-70 or more is more than a streak) is streaky, that's the nature of the beast with them.

Outside of game 6 and I forget which other game I have not noticed him playing like crap. The Nash-Stepan-MSL line did damn well against the Flyers. If a goal scorer isn't scoring but he is doing everything else so his linemates can, I am ok knowing that they're streaky.

Again, if he keeps getting open looks and chances he is going to score.
 
If he played every game like he did in game 7 I would care a lot less about his exact numbers. Obviously G + A are most important but as a fan I could stomach it.

Toews when he isn't producing is a great defensive center who efficiently moves the puck. Nash when he isn't producing is largely at best, invisible.
 
Inferno said:
That's great.

Toews in the first round of the playoffs last year. 0G 2A, and both assists were in the last game, a blowout win.

Second Round. 1G 3A

3rd Round. 0G 2A

Finals 2G 3A


He had 3 goals in the entire playoffs last year. 3.




Sidney Crosby

0 Goals this entire playoffs so far.

0 Goals in his last 11 Playoff Games



I know you, and every other hater doesnt want to hear this...but sometimes, even the greats get shut down by other teams/go into funks/etc


I could dig up the threads on what a loser Marian Hossa, Pavel Datsyuk, etc were for being such terrible playoff performers.

They now each have what...2 or 3 cups to their names?


Playoffs are a team sport, you need depth, you need other players to step up, and your best players need to play well.

Nash has played well...Goals arent coming, but he's been a beast out there.

I forgot though that we live in a get goals or GTFO world where nuance has no place.
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Rick Nash has always been a better goal scorer than Toews, and those 3 goals are 3 more than Rick Nash has this year, 2 more than he's had in his entire Rangers playoff experience. They aren't similar style players at all. They both are forwards with big names, but that's where the similarities stop.

And the Pens didn't win the cup last year, so that actually helps my argument that we need Nash to pick it up.

edit: also, Crosby has always been a prolific playmaker which Nash has never been, so not to say Crosby isn't expected to score goals, but again he's a totally different type of player who shouldn't be evaluated the same way at all.
 
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GWOW said:
Tremendous? Maybe on a shift-to-shift basis.

Zero goals. Zero. There is no justification for that. The eyeball test says that most of his shot attempts were from 40 feet or more, or from the angle.

The eyeball test can point to a blocked shot here, a strong move there. But for seven games he did not score after going through a similar issue last year.

An ugly girl who cooks a mean scampi is still an ugly girl. Nash not scoring shouldn't magnify the handful of things he did sparingly in a long series.
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Nash is averaging a shot distance of just over 20 feet for the first 7 games. A five foot improvement over last year's playoffs. So no, most of them were not at 40 feet out.

Edit: his regular season average is 30 feet.

http://www.extraskater.com/player/122/rick-nash#shooting
 
If Nash was getting totally shut down and creating nothing at all, I would understand the dire need for him to step his game up and be a difference maker. Right now the shots are there, the chances are there and he has been good on both sides of the puck. Hopefully they start going in sooner rather than later.
 
Jersey Girl said:
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Nash definitely had a few of his patented "cross-the-blueline-lob-puck-on-net" shots.

But he has also had a few real good looks. He's cut to the center a few times and fired off some good shots, usually not far from the net. He hit a couple of posts and the goalie made a few good stops.

I'm really surprised he didn't score a goal or two.
 
Ail said:
If Nash was getting totally shut down and creating nothing at all, I would understand the dire need for him to step his game up and be a difference maker. Right now the shots are there, the chances are there and he has been good on both sides of the puck. Hopefully they start going in sooner rather than later.
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Agreed completely. I was hoping Mason would've missed on his breakaway attempt last night (twas a nice save). Would've helped him get going.
 
I just don't get it, Rangers won the series, Nash played very well, What's the issue here?
 
Ail said:
Nash is averaging a shot distance of just over 20 feet for the first 7 games. A five foot improvement over last year's playoffs. So no, most of them were not at 40 feet out.

Edit: his regular season average is 30 feet.

http://www.extraskater.com/player/122/rick-nash#shooting
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I said 40 or more OR from the angle.

What percentage of Nash's shots does the NHL consider legitimate scoring chances?
 
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