Rick Nash.....1 goal in 20 NYR playoff games
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offdacrossbar
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nash played really well the last game. hes just so damn difficult to contain when he get the puck and makes a power move to the net. his ability to control the puck and shield it while making his moves is impressive. when hes "on" hes down right dominant and scary.
hes just not "on" enough and hes invisible more than he is visible.
with rick its all heart or lack there of.
that said, for us to advance past the pens, he needs to score and be involved in scoring.
hes just not "on" enough and hes invisible more than he is visible.
with rick its all heart or lack there of.
that said, for us to advance past the pens, he needs to score and be involved in scoring.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
I'm not typing this in response to a particular apologist for Rick Nash. This post is in response to all those who are trying to rationalize the situation.
There are three key factors in this situation: Rick Nash was brought in to score goals, the acquisition of Rick Nash required trading serviceable players and readjusted the team, and Rick Nash costs a lot in the cap era while having a long term contract.
Although Rick Nash played better in game 7 of the flyer's series, he still wasn't producing in the intended role. Not only is he not scoring big goals, but also he isn't scoring at all. For one game, he took on other serviceable roles that made him useful instead of a large mass retaking up valuable space on the pine board.
Think of Brad Richard's "resurgence." He was brought in to be a dynamic center. He no longer has the legs to cover that role, but he still can pass, so his role shifted. He went from being a North/South center, to a East/West passing wing-center. He became more effective than he was being, but no where near as effective as he was predicted to be when he was the missing link that fateful July.
Let's say prior to the start of next season where Henrik's big contract kicks in, he has an injury. Let's say he hurts his glove hand while jamming with his rock band in Sweden
Now Lundqvist will unable to perform as the top paid goalie in the league, so AV has some hard thinking to do. AV finds out that although Henrik will not be his starting goaltender, Lundqvist could still be a serviceable 2nd pairing defensemen
Now, one might say, "great work AV, this way we get to keep Henrik, and who cares where he plays, this team will work it out..."
That's the problem. Henrik may be still an NHL player, but he is now the highest paid 2nd pairing defenseman in the history of the game!
If Henrik still had the same contract, he would be a huge problem in terms of the cap. Furthermore, the fact that he was no longer the goalie the team was built around, the team is no longer good on the ice.
This is the situation with both Brad Richards and Rick Nash, but since Brad Richards has been more serviceable and this thread is about Rick Nash, I will focus on Rick Nash.
If Rick Nash continues his play of game 7, he will be a serviceable 2nd line winger. A serviceable 2nd line winger who is paid a huge amount of money. A serviceable winger who was brought here to score big goals to put us over the top.
So I ask you, if Henrik was no longer a goalie, who's going to full his shoes (que the Talbot Flame war), and if Rick Nash becomes a 2nd line grinding winger, who is going to score the goals in the quest for Lord Stanley's Pie?
Carcillo, Dominic Moore, Boyle?
The gripes against him are obvious.
There are three key factors in this situation: Rick Nash was brought in to score goals, the acquisition of Rick Nash required trading serviceable players and readjusted the team, and Rick Nash costs a lot in the cap era while having a long term contract.
Although Rick Nash played better in game 7 of the flyer's series, he still wasn't producing in the intended role. Not only is he not scoring big goals, but also he isn't scoring at all. For one game, he took on other serviceable roles that made him useful instead of a large mass retaking up valuable space on the pine board.
Think of Brad Richard's "resurgence." He was brought in to be a dynamic center. He no longer has the legs to cover that role, but he still can pass, so his role shifted. He went from being a North/South center, to a East/West passing wing-center. He became more effective than he was being, but no where near as effective as he was predicted to be when he was the missing link that fateful July.
Let's say prior to the start of next season where Henrik's big contract kicks in, he has an injury. Let's say he hurts his glove hand while jamming with his rock band in Sweden
Now Lundqvist will unable to perform as the top paid goalie in the league, so AV has some hard thinking to do. AV finds out that although Henrik will not be his starting goaltender, Lundqvist could still be a serviceable 2nd pairing defensemen
Now, one might say, "great work AV, this way we get to keep Henrik, and who cares where he plays, this team will work it out..."
That's the problem. Henrik may be still an NHL player, but he is now the highest paid 2nd pairing defenseman in the history of the game!
If Henrik still had the same contract, he would be a huge problem in terms of the cap. Furthermore, the fact that he was no longer the goalie the team was built around, the team is no longer good on the ice.
This is the situation with both Brad Richards and Rick Nash, but since Brad Richards has been more serviceable and this thread is about Rick Nash, I will focus on Rick Nash.
If Rick Nash continues his play of game 7, he will be a serviceable 2nd line winger. A serviceable 2nd line winger who is paid a huge amount of money. A serviceable winger who was brought here to score big goals to put us over the top.
So I ask you, if Henrik was no longer a goalie, who's going to full his shoes (que the Talbot Flame war), and if Rick Nash becomes a 2nd line grinding winger, who is going to score the goals in the quest for Lord Stanley's Pie?
Carcillo, Dominic Moore, Boyle?
The gripes against him are obvious.
AlternateSideParking
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Love how Crosby and Toews are thrown in in a weak attempt to hide the fact that the top-line LW on the Rangers has one goal in 18 playoff games.
Let's revisit the Nash critique when the postseason is over.
Let's revisit the Nash critique when the postseason is over.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
I tried explaining the Rick Nash situation to my girlfriend, she kept missing the point. She kept saying that she feels sorry because he must feel bad that he's not playing well. I forgive her.
The fact that knowledgeable fans think Nash's lack of scoring isn't an issue is...
Flavius
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I'm not typing this in response to a particular apologist for Rick Nash. This post is in response to all those who are trying to rationalize the situation.
There are three key factors in this situation: Rick Nash was brought in to score goals, the acquisition of Rick Nash required trading serviceable players and readjusted the team, and Rick Nash costs a lot in the cap era while having a long term contract.
Although Rick Nash played better in game 7 of the flyer's series, he still wasn't producing in the intended role. Not only is he not scoring big goals, but also he isn't scoring at all. For one game, he took on other serviceable roles that made him useful instead of a large mass retaking up valuable space on the pine board.
Think of Brad Richard's "resurgence." He was brought in to be a dynamic center. He no longer has the legs to cover that role, but he still can pass, so his role shifted. He went from being a North/South center, to a East/West passing wing-center. He became more effective than he was being, but no where near as effective as he was predicted to be when he was the missing link that fateful July.
Let's say prior to the start of next season where Henrik's big contract kicks in, he has an injury. Let's say he hurts his glove hand while jamming with his rock band in Sweden
Now Lundqvist will unable to perform as the top paid goalie in the league, so AV has some hard thinking to do. AV finds out that although Henrik will not be his starting goaltender, Lundqvist could still be a serviceable 2nd pairing defensemen
Now, one might say, "great work AV, this way we get to keep Henrik, and who cares where he plays, this team will work it out..."
That's the problem. Henrik may be still an NHL player, but he is now the highest paid 2nd pairing defenseman in the history of the game!
If Henrik still had the same contract, he would be a huge problem in terms of the cap. Furthermore, the fact that he was no longer the goalie the team was built around, the team is no longer good on the ice.
This is the situation with both Brad Richards and Rick Nash, but since Brad Richards has been more serviceable and this thread is about Rick Nash, I will focus on Rick Nash.
If Rick Nash continues his play of game 7, he will be a serviceable 2nd line winger. A serviceable 2nd line winger who is paid a huge amount of money. A serviceable winger who was brought here to score big goals to put us over the top.
So I ask you, if Henrik was no longer a goalie, who's going to full his shoes (que the Talbot Flame war), and if Rick Nash becomes a 2nd line grinding winger, who is going to score the goals in the quest for Lord Stanley's Pie?
Carcillo, Dominic Moore, Boyle?
The gripes against him are obvious.
I think you absolutely hit the nail on the head here. He was brought in the score goals in the playoffs after a deep playoff run that was damaged by lack of playoff goal production. He has not helped rectify that in any way, and his cap repercussions are astronomical. He's failing at the very thing he was brought in to do, and that's where all the vitriol is coming from.
It's also probably gotten so bad to the point where it's always in his head now. Maybe A-Rod can give him some of the vitamins he took before the 2009 MLB Postseason?
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
I agree. There should be an counterpoint thread to this Nash thread for those who disagree with this thread's premise. Here are a few ideas:
"Hey Dinkus! Secondary assists are still assists!
"Around the league..Other team's stars who are also a cause for concern!" This will be for the Toews and Crosby comparison.
"$7.8 mil will be bargain rate for a checking winger when the cap goes to the expected $110 mil in 2017!"
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And also continuing to give a little too much credence to what the #'s say SHOULD happen to what actually happened.
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I'm well aware of what happened. Nash produced a lot of scaring chances in the series. That happened.
He also played 7 games without a goal. That happened. Goals being a very low-sample stat, can something have anomalies like that. Between them, Crosby and Malkin produced 11 games without a goal in the first round.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
IDK about what the advanced stats are saying, but an simple analysis on the possibility of Rick Nash scoring can be accomplished at Rick Nash's bio page on TSN_NHL.
Rick Nash has played in 3 NHL playoff season when one includes the current playoffs. (1 with Columbus and 2 with the Rangers)
In the 2009 Playoffs with the CBJ, Rick Nash had 1G and 3A in 4 games
In the 2013 Playoffs with NYR, Rick Nash had 1G and 4A in 12 games
In the current playoffs, Rick Nash has 0G and 4A in 7 games
If we only take assists into account, Rick Nash is on a pace to surpass his career high!
If we just take goals into account, anyone with half a brain can see that Rick Nash had at least 1 goal in each of the other two playoff seasons, so saying that he will stay at 0 goals, is blowing things way out of proportion. I don't need any advanced stats to tell me that Rick Nash will most likely surpass his career high in assists, and I certainly don't need advanced stats to assure me that Rick Nash will score more than zero goals.
I am sure that a detailed meta analysis will help to elucidate my conviction.
NOTE: I actually do believe in the benefit of advanced stats.
Im with you.
But people are going to always refer to that 0 in his goal column until that changes. If he keeps playing the way he has, it'll change soon
Thirty One
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I'm more concerned with what is right rather than what the masses are saying.
That's if he plays every game like he did game 7. He's player over a 120 games as a Ranger, and I think there is enough of a sample size to see that this is a player that doesn't show up every night.
Judging by what the guidelines are for "showing up every night," it'd seem that nobody in the NHL does.
Fitzy
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Girardi does.
But I get your point. Crosby didn't have a goal in the first round I believe. The good news is that MSL has kicked it in for us.
Girardi was a disaster in game 6 - wish he had shown up.
I say that only half in jest, but what are we really looking for from Girardi? To play sound defense. Nash is playing sound offense, but since theres not something more tangible there like the puck going in the net, hes a disappointment.
This is the playoffs. Its game by game. Meaning, if Nash plays well and doesnt score tonight, Im not going to let the last 20 games get my panties in a bunch.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
Dude! I'm totally with you, people need to cool it with the incessant "Rick Nash is here to score goals, and he's not!" He is still contributing in other areas.
For instance, look at Lundqvist this season. There was a good portion of these boards who were fastidious in their demands for his role with the team. They kept pointing at "stats" such as his lower GAA and Sv%.
I was like chill bra! Lundqvist had 4 assists this year! He was tied for the lead league in assists among goaltenders for lord's sake! Boyle only had 12 assists while playing in all 82 games this season, and he's a forward! Lundqvist had a 1/3 his assists in only 63 games!
Someone countered my argument by saying that this team needs toughness, and Lundqvist was near the bottom of the team for PIM with a total of 4 for an entire season while a guy like Dylan "The Undertaker" McIlrath had 7 PIM in only two games with low minutes mind you.
I tried to explain the whole thing that Lundqvist is a starting goalie, and his job is first and for most to stop pucks, but I received the traditional TL;DR.
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ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
I must go back to work, but I needed to crunch a few numbers. I know the following is not a detailed meta-analysis, so take it for what it's worth.
Rick Nash
2013 Playoffs 42 Shots, 1 Goal, 2.4% Sht%, FO% 0
2014 Playoffs 30 Shots, 0 Goals, 0% Sht%, FO% 0
The easy thing to see is that Nash didn't learn squat about taking a face-off in AV's system!
If Rick Nash just approached his shooting percentage of last year's playoffs (2.4%), he would have 0.72 goals, which at this point would be huge improvement, and it's definitely do-able.
If Rick Nash had same shooting percentage as another important high total shot player, Zach Parise (27 shots, 11.1 Sht%), Rick Nash would be the leading scorer on this team with 3.333 goals!
I know 2.4% to 11.1 % is a little less than a 500% increase, but it can be done if he wants it enough.
Rick Nash
2013 Playoffs 42 Shots, 1 Goal, 2.4% Sht%, FO% 0
2014 Playoffs 30 Shots, 0 Goals, 0% Sht%, FO% 0
The easy thing to see is that Nash didn't learn squat about taking a face-off in AV's system!
If Rick Nash just approached his shooting percentage of last year's playoffs (2.4%), he would have 0.72 goals, which at this point would be huge improvement, and it's definitely do-able.
If Rick Nash had same shooting percentage as another important high total shot player, Zach Parise (27 shots, 11.1 Sht%), Rick Nash would be the leading scorer on this team with 3.333 goals!
I know 2.4% to 11.1 % is a little less than a 500% increase, but it can be done if he wants it enough.
AlternateSideParking
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I'll tell you what: if Nash is so friggin good at everything but goal scoring, then I have a perfect job for him on the 4th line.
Mike Richards is LA's 4th line center, and arguably the best 4th line center in hockey as we speak.
Mike Richards is LA's 4th line center, and arguably the best 4th line center in hockey as we speak.
haveandare
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I'm not upset about anything. You said people don't want to talk about Nash being bad because the team won a round. I'm saying that I see the logic in that. I'm not saying that people who analyze Nash's play as poor overall are moaning, I'm saying that almost everything posted on this board on any given day is people complaining about the Rangers play, or complaining about other posters because they aren't also complaining about something. I can see why people might want to take some time to feel good about a victory, and why they might be hesitant to pile on Nash after he played well in the most important game of the series and the team won.
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