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Rick Nash.....1 goal in 20 NYR playoff games

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GWOW said:
I'll tell you what: if Nash is so friggin good at everything but goal scoring, then I have a perfect job for him on the 4th line.

Mike Richards is LA's 4th line center, and arguably the best 4th line center in hockey as we speak.
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In retrospect, Philly really dodged a bullet when they sent two key assets, that bum and his pal, to rot in LA!
 
I don't have a problem with people moaning, I have a problem with people being dumb. And especially at this time of the year, a lot of bandwagon fans show up and are just that.

Nash played fairly well for a super star in the series as a whole against Philly. It's just silly or dumb to state anything else.

Then we can discuss if he is capable of doing what Mess did, but look at this thread lol...
 
haveandare said:
I'm not upset about anything. You said people don't want to talk about Nash being bad because the team won a round. I'm saying that I see the logic in that. I'm not saying that people who analyze Nash's play as poor overall are moaning, I'm saying that almost everything posted on this board on any given day is people complaining about the Rangers play, or complaining about other posters because they aren't also complaining about something. I can see why people might want to take some time to feel good about a victory, and why they might be hesitant to pile on Nash after he played well in the most important game of the series and the team won.
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Virtually the same thing can be said about people who "don't want to hear it" because they're happy the team won.

I certainly see the logic in not wanting to talk about Nash not having scored. However, there is no logic in coming into a thread titled "Rick Nash.....1 goal in 19 NYR playoff games" and complaining that people are talking about Nash having scored one goal in 19 playoff games. That's like someone walking into a furniture store and complaining about the number of couches they have on display.

If people want to debate how the merits of his solid overall play counter-balance the lack of goal scoring, that's great. But coming in here and accusing people of just lacking the ability to be happy is absurd.
 
Ola said:
I don't have a problem with people moaning, I have a problem with people being dumb. And especially at this time of the year, a lot of bandwagon fans show up and are just that.

Nash played fairly well for a super star in the series as a whole against Philly. It's just silly or dumb to state anything else.

Then we can discuss if he is capable of doing what Mess did, but look at this thread lol...
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I disagree that he played fairly well in the series.

I think he played well in game 7. I think he was atrocious in game 6. A superstar can't give you those kind of uneven performances.
 
MTrangers said:
Just curious what the consensus would be around here. Would you guys take Dubi back for Nash straight up? I sure would.
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Emotions:

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I may be Nash's biggest detractor. I'm certainly one of them. I will never be a fan and it's as simple as that. Still, I can easily admit he elevated his effort in game 7 and if he could play like that consistently, I'd at least be satisfied. He was good. Not incredible. Still not worth his contract, but clearly hustling, working, getting looks and putting in an effort. I can live with that. My issue with Nash is that it takes a game 7 that we shouldn't have even allowed to take place, or the final desperate seconds with the goalie pulled to bring out the kind of effort level that he basically needs to put forth in order to be effective. Nobody is asking him to be a guy like Dubinsky who has made his career off of being an inspirationally hard worker, but if he doesn't at least put forth a good amount of effort, his massive skill set is completely useless. I don't care how talented you are, if you keep it in third gear ALL the time, you're not a threat against NHL competition, especially not in the playoffs. I'm not asking Nash to be a guy who is constantly in sixth gear, but show us fourth and fifth in situations other than do or die, must win moments. Like I said, I'll never be a fan, but if he could just bring an effort reminiscent of last night I'd get off his case a lot.
 
Nash is now one of only FOUR Ranger forwards who have yet to score a goal this post-season, joining Miller and Fast (who have each played only two games) and Dorsett.

Nash and Dorsett are the only two regulars without a single goal. The other ten Ranger regulars have all scored at least one, and eight of those ten have scored 2+.

There is no excuse for the 8 million dollar goal scorer to be one of the ONLY forwards not scoring. None.

Frankly, after he elevated his game in game 7, I was hoping that he would figure it out. Rather than building on that game and trying to play even harder, Nash reverted right back to his usual style of passive play. No hits. Mostly weak, low percentage shots. Disengaged. At this point, I really think he is what he is. If he hasn't figured out how to show a little passion by now, he's never going to.
 
Its frustrating because nobody si asking Nash to score every game but if he scores just a little bit it would make a major difference in ending series earlier
 
NYRangers723 said:
Its frustrating because nobody si asking Nash to score every game but if he scores just a little bit it would make a major difference in ending series earlier
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Yup, him even taking over just one game where he scores 2 goals and gets us a win can be the difference between a win or loss in the series.

Or, if he scored a goal one game, than a couple games later, it wouldn't be as bad.

1 in 20 or 1 in 21 now?

It's been bad. He needs to start producing. He could make these series much easier on us.
 
Come on, he has not found his game. It's good for him to be pushing and shoving and getting involved, but let's face reality here. He needs to score goals.
Some folks on this board over-analyze the crap out of everything.
 
He is still making big plays out there...I am hoping he gets one in soon. Damn it Nash...SCARRRRR
 
Fataldogg said:
Yup, him even taking over just one game where he scores 2 goals and gets us a win can be the difference between a win or loss in the series.

Or, if he scored a goal one game, than a couple games later, it wouldn't be as bad.

1 in 20 or 1 in 21 now?

It's been bad. He needs to start producing. He could make these series much easier on us.
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2 in 24 career.....woof
 
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NYR Viper said:
Defenses are collapsing on him, it's evident. He is feeding Stepan left and right. Stepan needs to finish.
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Derek Stepan, the team's playmaking center, has 2 goals so far this postseason. Rick Nash, the team's goalscorer, has 0 goals so far this postseason, while making twice the money.

But you go ahead and think that Stepan is the problem here. The lengths people will go to to excuse Nash rather than just admitting that they were wrong about him from the start. :shakehead
 
smoneil said:
Derek Stepan, the team's playmaking center, has 2 goals so far this postseason. Rick Nash, the team's goalscorer, has 0 goals so far this postseason, while making twice the money.

But you go ahead and think that Stepan is the problem here. The lengths people will go to to excuse Nash rather than just admitting that they were wrong about him from the start. :shakehead
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:laugh:

You didn't even address my point. Am I wrong in any way? If Stepan had scored 2 more goals tonight, which he could have, and Nash had 2 assists, would that be ok with you?
 
Callahan Auto said:
He's a 20 goal scorer. Not a sniper but he is more than capable of finishing chances, especially good ones.
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I can tell you are a fan but he has only cracked 20 goals once in his career. The kid is a passer not a scorer. How many games have we watched this season where he had a beautiful chance to shoot but he made a stupid pass instead? He is not very confident shooting the puck.

If Nash is going to just be used as a distraction he needs players on his line who can finish. St. Louis isn't very comfortable yet but he is getting better. I'd rather Richards center Nash. He is pretty slow nowadays but so is Stepan, but Beavs can finish.
 
smoneil said:
But you go ahead and think that Stepan is the problem here. The lengths people will go to to excuse Nash rather than just admitting that they were wrong about him from the start. :shakehead
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I know you weren't responding to my post, but since I was talking about Stepan I will agree that Nash is our problem, not Stepan. Stepan is a passer, he does them very well, this is what he does. Nash is supposed to be a goal scorer. He is not scoring.

Nashes back check has improved and he is doing a lot of little things out there which I appreciate but the guy is getting paid HUGE money to score goals.

Any chance we can buy out Nash instead of Beaves next year? :laugh:
I can deal with Beaver floating around all regular season if he keeps stepping it up in the play offs.
 
NYR Viper said:
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You didn't even address my point. Am I wrong in any way? If Stepan had scored 2 more goals tonight, which he could have, and Nash had 2 assists, would that be ok with you?
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I don't really like to play hypotheticals. It's the playoffs. Defenses are collapsing on EVERYONE. Nash has the frame and talent to do something about that. Unfortunately, he's content to cash his checks and hang out on the perimeter.

Could/should Stepan have buried a couple? Probably. That doesn't change the fact that the 8 million dollar goal scorer is one of the only players on this team without a single goal.

Stepan is just the latest in a long line of distractions in this thread. You talk about ignoring points? The blind Nash defenders have been screaming about his defense, his secondary assists, and comparing him to Crosby, Malkin, and now Stepan. Before that, it was a non-stop diatribe about how people that critique Nash have terminal ennui and can't enjoy wins.

Reality check--he's paid to score goals in the postseason. He's not doing it. You *****ing about Stepan (who has two MORE goals than Nash even though that isn't his primary job), is nothing more than an obvious attempt to distract people from the obvious--Nash is not doing his job.

Yes, the Rangers won. Yes, I'm thrilled about that. What you excuse makers need to get through your heads is that this team might win games with Nash no-showing. They might even win a couple of series. They aren't coming close to Lord Stanley if Nash refuses to show up.
 
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