Return for Matthews in a trade

[Donnie740]

The odds of him continuing to be as good as he’s been are better than him not. I mean maybe he doesn’t score 60 again, but I certainly wouldn’t bet against it, and even if he doesn’t, something like scoring 55 is not a meaningful drop

In other words, Matthews has most likely reached his peak of 60 goals.

 

[hamzarocks]

You losers deserve to suffer with the Leafs in the tank for eternity. Can’t appreciate *hit. Most talented group we’ve had in Your lifetime, and just throw them away like garbage. I hope for my sake I see a championship some day, but some of you deserve nothing.

Massive rebuild. Holy *uck

This team can be talented, but that talent never delivers come playoffs

We cant continue to pretend our 11M 2C is talented ehen he plays at a 59 pt pace in the playoffs for the leafs

All our 4 forwards see a decline in their pts per 82 from reg season to the playoffs

This core is corrupted. They will not deliver anything but further choke jobs this year

Mstthews is not worth 13-14M and giving him thst cripples the team. Move him before he walks away.

I'm done pretending the core 4 are superstars.

 

[NVious]

Hes comparable to Pastrnak but he’s a little better and should get more than him.
Pastrnak 1.04 ppg reg season and 1.02 ppg playoffs
Matthews 1.12 ppg reg season and .88 ppg playoffs

However, Matthews is better defensively and has been stuck with the Keefe PP.

If Matthews wants 13 AAV it has to be on an 8 year deal.

I just don't get why he's getting a raise after a mediocre season and a horrible 2nd round after 6 years of failure. He already got paid, just ask him straight up "what's more important, making maximum dollar or winning?" If he says maximum dollar ship him out of here.

 

[rumman]

After years of refusing to move any of the core - - even proclaiming that he’d “stake his career on them” - - Dubas was finally acknowledging last week that maybe it was time to look at changing out some of the core.

Which is another reason why I’m absolutely OVERJOYED that Dubas was fired before he could make any such trade, because everyone saw how badly he got ripped off the last time he traded a core player in Kadri.

He did, and he’s unemployed……..

 

[Sypher04]

It’s not without risks……the wrist, the lack of playoff success, the $$$$$ he’ll be asking for, the term he’ll demand. There’s plenty to consider both + and -, this decision isn’t a slam dunk imo…….

Well, I never said it’s without risks. That said, most contracts have some degree of risk. The money ask is not overly concerning to me, from a contract standpoint, the medical risks I expect to be throughly considered by the medical staff and a judgement made. If they are comfortable on these two fronts, I think we should be. The playoff issues, well who knows.

 

[Nineteen67]

No win in handcuffing the team with a bloated contract, no win in losing 34 for nothing. Has anyone considered that maybe 34’s best hockey is behind him? Sign him to a reasonable deal if he wants to stay otherwise get what you can while you can……..

If he won’t sign for 8 yrs at a reasonable AAV then try to extend his current contract 3 -5 more years with a NMC for the first years and M-NTC in the final year.

14 AAV for 5 or less is not reasonable.

 

[Sypher04]

In other words, Matthews has most likely reached his peak of 60 goals.

Literally, not what I said, but sure. If he matches his peak next year do we not want that? If he falls short of his peak by 5 goals, do we not want the 55?

 

[NVious]

You losers deserve to suffer with the Leafs in the tank for eternity. Can’t appreciate *hit. Most talented group we’ve had in Your lifetime, and just throw them away like garbage. I hope for my sake I see a championship some day, but some of you deserve nothing.

Massive rebuild. Holy *uck

6 first round losses
1 2nd round destruction
1 loss to a middle aged zamboni driver that played half a game

All for the cheap cheap cost of 40+ million.

THEY'LL PUT IT TOGETHER (next year) *repeat X Seven*

We deserve to suffer? Yeah unlike the past 7 years of banners;
Great regular season btfod in playoffs banner
100+ point regular season btfod in playoffs banner
60+ goal season btfod in playoffs banner

Could you imagine the pain of NOT having the honor of the above? Lmfao

 

[Donnie740]

Most casual fans and those new to following the game won’t remember when Quebec traded a young superstar named Mats Sundin to Toronto.

Quebec was filled with young talent, but dealing Sundin looked like a huge mistake and a massive rip off in favour of the Leafs.

Two years later, they won the Cup. Five years following that, they won a second Cup. The Leafs and Sundin? Not so much.

 

[Nineteen67]

I just don't get why he's getting a raise after a mediocre season and a horrible 2nd round after 6 years of failure. He already got paid, just ask him straight up "what's more important, making maximum dollar or winning?" If he says maximum dollar ship him out of here.

Have you seen the guy walking into the arena? Max dollar at a place where he can wear his costumes.

 

[Sypher04]

If he won’t sign for 8 yrs at a reasonable AAV then try to extend his current contract 3 -5 more years with a NMC for the first years and M-NTC in the final year.

14 AAV for 5 or less is not reasonable.

No player of his calibre is agreeing to that.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Most casual fans and those new to following the game won’t remember when Quebec traded a young superstar named Mats Sundin to Toronto.

Quebec was filled with young talent, but dealing Sundin looked like a huge mistake and a massive rip off in favour of the Leafs.

Two years later, they won the Cup. Five years following that, they won a second Cup. The Leafs and Sundin? Not so much.

Colorado won the cup on the strength of the assets Quebec acquired from the Eric Lindros trade a few years earlier when Lindros refused to report to the team after they drafted him.

The Sundin for Clark trade ended up being heavily one sided in the Leafs favor, and I say that as a huge Wendel Clark fan.

 

[Nineteen67]

No player of his calibre is agreeing to that.

Some contracts have a M-NTC at the end. I think Pastrnak does.

 

[pcruz]

Nothing. He is either signing for big money beyond his worth or walking for free. This org is incompetent.

The people who are clamoring to trade Matthews are either too young or too dumb to remember the void between Sundin and Matthews.

A nearly 15 year stretch where the fans were pining for a first line centre.

And now that they have had one such player who has done things no other player in the history of the team has ever done, they're ready to go back to pining for another potential first line centre.


The team is not trading him away and coming out on any sort of winning end.


Do you all recall the Kessel trade?

The word was that they NEEDED to trade him away for the long term benefit of the team.
He was seen as a malcontent and damaging to the room.

Went on to be a key cog in 2 Cups the next 2 seasons, all while we paid 1/6 of his salary.

In turn, we drafted 4th and 1st overall.....

If not for a truly phenomenal player who jumped into the league to do something that hadn't been done in decades, we draft in the top 5 again a couple of years.

And if we had the misfortune of RNH or Yakupov, or Hughes, or Hischier, or any number of other 1st overall picks that either took time to come into their own, or didn't at all, what we are left with is nothing.

 

[kevsh]

If you're moving Matthews, I think you have to get either a top pairing D or a goalie that will 'goalie' other teams in the playoffs in the return. Whether it's a package deal, whatever, but moving an asset with his value you best get a rock star coming back, and in an area of need. Which leads too ...

With no #34 and assuming ROR doesn't return, the Leafs are suddenly very weak down the middle and with Tavares gone in two years, that's means the 1, 2 & 3C positions all need to get filled somehow.

 

[Nineteen67]

Colorado won the cup on the strength of the assets Quebec acquired from the Eric Lindros trade a few years earlier when Lindros refused to report to the team after they drafted him.

The Sundin for Clark trade ended up being heavily one sided in the Leafs favor, and I say that as a huge Wendel Clark fan.

The Leafs won the deal but the point is Quebec wasn’t overpaying Sundin.

Lefevbre was in that deal? The Leafs could use a guy like him.

The people who are clamoring to trade Matthews are either too young or too dumb to remember the void between Sundin and Matthews.

A nearly 20 year stretch where

The void is still widening. Sundin‘s teams actually won.

 

[Menzinger]

6 first round losses
1 2nd round destruction
1 loss to a middle aged zamboni driver that played half a game

All for the cheap cheap cost of 40+ million.

THEY'LL PUT IT TOGETHER (next year) *repeat X Seven*

We deserve to suffer? Yeah unlike the past 7 years of banners;
Great regular season btfod in playoffs banner
100+ point regular season btfod in playoffs banner
60+ goal season btfod in playoffs banner

Could you imagine the pain of NOT having the honor of the above? Lmfao

Yes. It was the Leafs of 2004-2014.

Things can always get a lot worse. Never underestimate that

 

[Buds17]

Colorado won the cup on the strength of the assets Quebec acquired from the Eric Lindros trade a few years earlier when Lindros refused to report to the team after they drafted him.

The Sundin for Clark trade ended up being heavily one sided in the Leafs favor, and I say that as a huge Wendel Clark fan.

Yes. I would add though that the Sundin for Clark trade did help the Avs as well in the sense that Clark was the player they offered up in acquiring Claude Lemieux.

 

[nuck]

Some contracts have a M-NTC at the end. I think Pastrnak does.

No Leaf player would agree to that after not having it on the 2nd deal. It would be perceived like offering a pay cut, just like they will be looking for the front loading again.

 

[Stephen]

All of those players on their current contracts are more valuable than Matthews. As far as a 1C goes I’d just run Tavares-Johnston. I’ve said multiple times on the trade board I think the Leafs should trade for 19-21 year old players and take a step back for next season when they own their own pick and come back to competing in 24/25. By that point I believe Johnston will be a NHL 1C.


If you don’t believe in the players why not cash out and start over?


Correct. When’s the last time a team won the cup with a player making 15% of the cap (Matthews @13M with a 87.5M cap)? All the teams that have won in the last 10 years have had strong depth because they could afford it.

You generally make good points and cap balance is accepted wisdom. We know too heavy is not that effective. But you went too far on the side of looking for valued contracts and forgot the part about still having elite talent.

Does Wyatt Johnston project to be a Hart capable player? I don’t think so. Does he project to be somewhere between a Stutzle and a Suzuki? Debatable. But we just got a massive haircut in our long term top end.

 

[NVious]

Yes. It was the Leafs of 2004-2014.

Things can always get a lot worse. Never underestimate that

That's worse?

This team which clearly has Stanley cup talent has performed 2 games TWO GAMES better than Kessel/Phaneuf and co, that is a 1st round win and one win in the 2nd round.

The reason those teams were worse was because they refused to do the obvious and tank, the pieces we can get moving some/all of the core are massive along with the pieces we already have here.

To me sucking in the season is not worse than being catastrophically let down every year.

Again, this team lost to a zamboni driver and then proceeded to get embarrassed in the playoffs one more time.

 

[Stephen]

Colorado won the cup on the strength of the assets Quebec acquired from the Eric Lindros trade a few years earlier when Lindros refused to report to the team after they drafted him.

The Sundin for Clark trade ended up being heavily one sided in the Leafs favor, and I say that as a huge Wendel Clark fan.

Lost in all of this is we don’t have a second Matthews level center that we can deal a Lindros and Sundin and still have Joe Sakic. And no one’s giving us a spare Forsberg.

 

[budzz]

Auston. Matthews. Is. Not. Getting. Traded.

You don't replace clear number 1 Centers. You build around them. We need more beef in the top 6. You can get away with one soft winger but not 2. At least one of MM or Willie (or both) go LONG before Matthews. On pace to be the leading scorer in Leafs history and some here want to dump him? Unreal.

 

[Bronxxx]

AM is/was the best Leaf centre of all time. No trade will return equal value. Saner minds will prevail. You surround him with players like O Reilly and the Cup will follow.

 

[Nineteen67]

Auston. Matthews. Is. Not. Getting. Traded.

You don't replace clear number 1 Centers. You build around them. We need more beef in the top 6. You can get away with one soft winger but not 2. At least one of MM or Willie (or both) go LONG before Matthews. On pace to be the leading scorer in Leafs history and some here want to dump him? Unreal.

What do you do if he won’t sign?