Return for Matthews in a trade

[hamzarocks]

All of those players on their current contracts are more valuable than Matthews. As far as a 1C goes I’d just run Tavares-Johnston. I’ve said multiple times on the trade board I think the Leafs should trade for 19-21 year old players and take a step back for next season when they own their own pick and come back to competing in 24/25. By that point I believe Johnston will be a NHL 1C.


If you don’t believe in the players why not cash out and start over?

I really wish we had our 2025 1st some how

Misa is in that draft and hes a potential franchise player.

Dont know about 2024 and how good the draft will be. Im sure there will be some great players, but Misa's name stands out 2 years before his draft and his D-2 year in the OHL was incredible

 

[Leafs87]

I honestly want Fantili badly. I’d love a deal around the 2nd overall.

 

[Americanadian]

I really wish we had our 2025 1st some how

Misa is in that draft and hes a potential franchise player.

Dont know about 2024 and how good the draft will be. Im sure there will be some great players, but Misa's name stands out 2 years before his draft and his D-2 year in the OHL was incredible

I don’t think they’d be bad enough to get 1OA if they made that Matthews deal. I’d be hoping for a top 10 pick though. If they made that Matthews deal and that was it they’d still be a playoff team. I’d want all 3 traded and a mini rebuild.

 

[Stephen]

All of those players on their current contracts are more valuable than Matthews. As far as a 1C goes I’d just run Tavares-Johnston. I’ve said multiple times on the trade board I think the Leafs should trade for 19-21 year old players and take a step back for next season when they own their own pick and come back to competing in 24/25. By that point I believe Johnston will be a NHL 1C.

I don't think you'd get a lot of traction from the Toronto side on that one.

The premise of getting younger is fine. The Big 4 guy you've selected to move is probably less than ideal. The return is extremely subpar. Saying last year's Hart winner has less value than Hintz, Robertson, Oettinger or Heiskanen alone... I think you need to value your own assets more. Awful.

 

[LeafEgo]

Just for fun, maybe help LA accelerate their Kopitar replacement strategy.

We'd be dangling the new face of their franchise for the next 10 years - a rental trade/return doesnt happen here. Our power at the negotiating table also has the alternative of: nah, we'll just keep him and see how it all works out.

Throw the Byfields and the Clarke's and the 1sts in there and see where it goes.

 

[authentic]

I honestly want Fantili badly. I’d love a deal around the 2nd overall.

Why would someone trade their 2nd overall pick for one season of Matthews?

 

[Leaf Fans]

I really wish we had our 2025 1st some how

Misa is in that draft and hes a potential franchise player.

Dont know about 2024 and how good the draft will be. Im sure there will be some great players, but Misa's name stands out 2 years before his draft and his D-2 year in the OHL was incredible

The 2025 is top 10 protected. If the Leafs are in a position to draft Misa, they can.

 

[Leafs87]

Why would someone trade their 2nd overall pick for one season of Matthews?

I agree. I said a deal around that pick. I saw people in here thinking they’d get Mctavish, 2nd OA and Drysdale which to me is batshit crazy. I think my proposal wasn’t as bad as most of the others.

 

[LeafEgo]

All of those players on their current contracts are more valuable than Matthews. As far as a 1C goes I’d just run Tavares-Johnston. I’ve said multiple times on the trade board I think the Leafs should trade for 19-21 year old players and take a step back for next season when they own their own pick and come back to competing in 24/25. By that point I believe Johnston will be a NHL 1C.

A player like Matty doesn't get moved for a rental price, forget about his contract. You have to assume that's not part of the equation or the thread is pointless.

WJ's career high could be 40 pts - its happened many times. After all we've been through if that's the next big move the fan response could be violent.

Our team has problems and it's not a winner but you have to appreciate the asset capital we have and manage it with respect.

 

[hamzarocks]

The 2025 is top 10 protected. If the Leafs are in a position to draft Misa, they can.

Damb best news have heard today

Im team rebuild so if we suck we suck hard and can get another feanchise talent to try and see if round 2 works better then round 1

Good on dubas for putting that protection

 

[Leaf Fans]

Damb best news have heard today

Im team rebuild so if we suck we suck hard and can get another feanchise talent to try and see if round 2 works better then round 1

Good on dubas for putting that protection

Sounds good now, but if the next generational player is actually a 2026 draft eligible - the 26 would be unprotected- and so it goes. like if we started calling it the Gavin McKenna draft.

 

[hamzarocks]

Sounds good now, but if the next generational player is actually a 2026 draft eligible - the 26 would be unprotected- and so it goes. like if we started calling it the Gavin McKenna draft.

True, Misa is the big name trending right now so want him

I think we would have the option to choose basically if we want to give up a pick in 2025 or 2026 right? Like the sens did in the brady tkachuk 4th OA vs Bowen Byram 4th OA a year later to the Avs

If 2025 is loaded at the time and we get say a top 5 pick for sure keep it

If the opposite is true and 2026 is loaded then give up the 2025 pick and tank hard 2026 for a generational prospect

I do think Misa will be a very good franchise talent. Will know more as we move forward.

Still good news that 2025 is top 10 protected. Even if we try to compete and everything crash and burns, we can have our pick

 

[Donnie740]

Exactly.

The bruins are a contender every season because management insists they take team friendly deals. If not they get shipped out. End of story.

it’s time for the leafs to stop coddling players.

Dubas handed out some of the worst contracts imaginable.

Pyjama Boy was a brutal deal that’s only going to get worse until it finally expires.

Giving maximum dollars and minimum term to Matthews was another brutal mistake by Dubas.

Such a terrible negotiator - - no wonder he failed so quickly as a player agent.

 

[Leaf Fans]

True, Misa is the big name trending right now so want him

I think we would have the option to choose basically if we want to give up a pick in 2025 or 2026 right? Like the sens did in the brady tkachuk 4th OA vs Bowen Byram 4th OA a year later to the Avs

If 2025 is loaded at the time and we get say a top 5 pick for sure keep it

If the opposite is true and 2026 is loaded then give up the 2025 pick and tank hard 2026 for a generational prospect

I do think Misa will be a very good franchise talent. Will know more as we move forward.

Still good news that 2025 is top 10 protected. Even if we try to compete and everything crash and burns, we can have our pick

No, we have no choice. If the Leafs pick is in the top ten, it is a Leaf pick and the 26 goes to Chicago with no conditions.

 

[SOLR]

I've posted this in other threads I think the best returns are cap-freeing.

1: Coyotes for 6 (Dvorsky/Leonard), 12, Cooley and X roster player
2. Sharks for 4 (Michkov), 20-ish (Devils), Bystedt and X roster player
3. Colombus for 3 (Carlsson), 20-ish (Kings), Jiricek and X roster player

Draft in the top 6,
Trade the 2nd 1st rounder for a center like Dubois (ie. you don't need to accept the direct centers offers for Matthews).

Chicago is just starting their rebuild, it makes no sense whatsoever for them to trade Bedard for an older player.

Anaheim needs really particular things, and Matthews isn't really one of those (while he would be an improvement, the puzzle doesn't really match)

Coyotes and Columbus are most compatible, and I think as crazy as it sounds, the Coyotes are most ready for Matthews.

Keller - Matthews - Schmatlz is a natural

Gaudreau - Matthews - Johnson

 

[Puckstuff]

All of those players on their current contracts are more valuable than Matthews. As far as a 1C goes I’d just run Tavares-Johnston. I’ve said multiple times on the trade board I think the Leafs should trade for 19-21 year old players and take a step back for next season when they own their own pick and come back to competing in 24/25. By that point I believe Johnston will be a NHL 1C.


If you don’t believe in the players why not cash out and start over?


Correct. When’s the last time a team won the cup with a player making 15% of the cap (Matthews @13M with a 87.5M cap)? All the teams that have won in the last 10 years have had strong depth because they could afford it.

Because when balancing the probabilities, we have a better chance of winning with this core then we do going back to zero and starting from scratch. Think about the pain of a rebuild and how long that could take and it's no guarantee that even rebuilding would work. Maybe you're looking at 2030 before we get back to winning if they blow it up.

If this was last year I would have said do something like one of the big 2 for Tkachuck. But this year I'm not seeing that type of deal. And I'm not prepared for a full on rebuild.

 

[Kaladin]

Who signs off on all moves? Is he still in charge? Asking for a friend

I get where you’re coming from man and I for one agree. In order to truly get rid of the incompetent management the leafs have suffered through for the last few years Shanahan should also be fired. But hey we gotta take the wins where we can get them right? Dubas gone is at least a step in the right direction.

As for Matthews, the package should include a current older piece that can help, and a package of younger talented pieces that are still cheap.

 

[Arzak]

Have you seen Pasta's new deal?

Looks like he talked to the Core Four of the Leafs and isn't following that outdated Bruins formula.

He signed for Marners RFA money scoring 61 goals as a former Rocket winner UFA - but for more years.

No need to consider 6 years of inflation. Pasta's contract is a steal. $11,250 x 8 years (4 057 miles away from his hometown JT).



But hey, I was wrong before, let's see what the rate is for 60-goal scorers these days with Matthew's contract coming up.

 

[hullsy47]

Just for fun, maybe help LA accelerate their Kopitar replacement strategy.

We'd be dangling the new face of their franchise for the next 10 years - a rental trade/return doesnt happen here. Our power at the negotiating table also has the alternative of: nah, we'll just keep him and see how it all works out.

Throw the Byfields and the Clarke's and the 1sts in there and see where it goes.

Especially since we really don't know if mathews even wants to stay
I can't see how dubas being here or not really makes much difference
I mean dubas almost got fired last year when u work on a lame duck contract in all essence his very loyal players couldn't compete in round 2

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Wow.

You guys realize it can take over a decade to get a no.1 C like Matthews ever again.

His supporting cast is a bunch of losers from the players to the coach to the GM. You guys have no idea what you're doing. Go enjoy the weather, you're losing it trading Matthews.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas handed out some of the worst contracts imaginable.

Pyjama Boy was a brutal deal that’s only going to get worse until it finally expires.

Giving maximum dollars and minimum term to Matthews was another brutal mistake by Dubas.

Such a terrible negotiator - - no wonder he failed so quickly as a player agent.

The Kyper and Boune show reminded us on Friday that before Tavares’ 11 that 8x8 and 9x8 was reasonable.

They played a clip from the signing day show where Kyper was spot on about what they’d demand.

 

[Nineteen67]

Wow.

You guys realize it can take over a decade to get a no.1 C like Matthews ever again.

His supporting cast is a bunch of losers from the players to the coach to the GM. You guys have no idea what you're doing. Go enjoy the weather, you're losing it trading Matthews.

If he wants out you can’t let him walk for nothing. One of them has to be traded and thread is about him.

If they can sign him to a reasonably contract for a 40 goal scorer, fine, but then they have to consider Marner.

 

[NVious]

Wow.

You guys realize it can take over a decade to get a no.1 C like Matthews ever again.

His supporting cast is a bunch of losers from the players to the coach to the GM. You guys have no idea what you're doing. Go enjoy the weather, you're losing it trading Matthews.

Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly are now losers? Give me a break.

There are two problems with Matthews;
His playoff performance which goes from .62gpg career to .44gpg
His cost

If he played better in the playoffs, it would be a no brainer to give him 13+ million.
If he wanted mroe support he should take 10-12 and leave a few million on the table (apparently he's playing with losers lmao)

Edmonton proved you can literally have the two best forward and still not win. There are more ways to build a team than to put 40+ million into just a few forwards and the forwards here have proven they can't get it done.

The sad thing is the poverty Islanders have gone further than us WITHOUT Tavares because as I said there are more ways than one to build a team. For that money we'll add a #1D+ top 6 forward or 2 solid 7+ million dollar players who show up in the playoffs.

7 years of failure is enough, all options MUST be on the table, especially when the fault of that failure is 100% on the core. Now they want a RAISE after that failure? Ha ha, go score 60+ and 100+ points elsewhere so you can get eliminated in the 1st round there for 14+ million.

 

[Arzak]

Wow.

You guys realize it can take over a decade to get a no.1 C like Matthews ever again.

His supporting cast is a bunch of losers from the players to the coach to the GM. You guys have no idea what you're doing. Go enjoy the weather, you're losing it trading Matthews.

If you can resign him for 12 and burn the rest down, we'll be fine. Pastas contract + $1mil per would work. Not sure if that's something Matthews would consider.

We are not drafting back-to-back Rocket plus MVP winner anytime soon. Maybe a complete team change could do for Matthews what many predict a change of scenery might.

 

[horner]

Should get similar or better return Sabres got for Eich. Tuch, Krebs, conditional 1st and conditional 2nd.

I'd be happy with #2OA, MacTavish and Drysdale. Could add a 3rd to get it done. Do we have any left ?

This won't happen we will sign these players

There is no win in a trade of Mathews.
But
We will have cap space to sign 2 really good players.
Mathews
( 2 )- first rd pks + 2nd + 3rd
Marner
2 mil retained 1 st + 2nd + 3rd
JT 5.5 mil retained won't want to stay here
1st + 2nd

The right gm and coach can build a team

Think Seattle