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Friedman: Red Wings interested in Dylan Cozens

McJedi said:
Cozens for Nate Danielson (C) + Trey Augustine (G) or Cossa (G)?

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This is the makings of the best Detroit can offer to acquire a true #2 center or #3 defender.

Substitute Kasper for Danielson if you want. Maybe add a draft pick of your choice depending on the player.

Buffalo, however, does not need to be getting younger. I don't see a possible trade between these teams
 
StrompTroller said:
Keep ASP we dont need or want him. Keep your 3rd and 4th liners and overpaid vets.




Yes I said keep ASP hes become so overrated now he's in kravstov and chyltil territory of so good he cannot possibly had.
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He won back to back WJC best defensemen awards. He leads all defensemen in points and goals in the SHL.

Call him overrated all you want even though there is no basis for it. ASP isn't being traded at all.
 
VeteranPresence said:
If Blue Jackets fans had offered Brindley as a centerpiece in a Cozens trade I'd be calling them out too. Same energy. There's a universe of difference in values between the players and levels they're playing at.
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Keeping tally:

1. Lied that Cozens put up 38 points at the same age as Danielson now. Cozens was in his D+3.

2. When corrected and referred to Cozens D+2, had to compare Cozens points to just Danielson's goals, to make it sound good.

You definitely don't have an agenda. :laugh:
 
VeteranPresence said:
If Blue Jackets fans had offered Brindley as a centerpiece in a Cozens trade I'd be calling them out too. Same energy. There's a universe of difference in values between the players and levels they're playing at.
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Well that's funny because there's no shot the Jackets would offer Brindley as a centerpiece in a Cozens trade either. No team is trading for what this guy did 2 years ago with a sky high shooting % that season, and has not come close to again, all while having a boat anchor contract if he doesn't return to form. Right now Cozens is playing slightly better than Michael Rasmussen and you can bet your ass Rasmussen doesn't return a top prospect like Brindley.

It doesn't make any sense for Buffalo to trade Cozens. This is a sell-low situation. They should keep him and hope he returns to form. If he is traded, it will be a for a return Buffalo fans hate.
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Keeping tally:

1. Lied that Cozens put up 38 points at the same age as Danielson now. Cozens was in his D+3.

2. When corrected and referred to Cozens D+2, had to compare Cozens points to just Danielson's goals, to make it sound good.

You definitely don't have an agenda. :laugh:
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It's a lie that Danielson has three goals in the AHL this year, which is less than Dvorsky, Honzek Sale, Nadeau, Brindley and Sidorov plus probably a few more from his own draft class? Might want to take that up with HockeyDB or other sites then, major factual error on their part!
 
VeteranPresence said:
It's a lie that Danielson has three goals in the AHL this year, which is less than Dvorsky, Honzek Sale, Nadeau, Brindley and Sidorov plus probably a few more from his own draft class? Might want to take that up with HockeyDB or other sites then, major factual error on their part!
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What is your justification for excluding assists? Should the NHL stop counting them?
 
VeteranPresence said:
It's a lie that Danielson has three goals in the AHL this year, which is less than Dvorsky, Honzek Sale, Nadeau, Brindley and Sidorov plus probably a few more from his own draft class? Might want to take that up with HockeyDB or other sites then, major factual error on their part!
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Correction: I said you lied about Cozens putting up 38 points in the NHL at the same age, not about Danielson's current goal total.

You didn't lie about Danielson's current goal total, and I never accused you of doing so. I called you out for cherry picking his goals rather than overall points because that wouldn't sound as good for your narrative, would it? :thumbu:

RedHawkDown said:
What is your justification for excluding assists? Should the NHL stop counting them?
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Better question: Why is he including assists for Cozens, but not Danielson?
 
VeteranPresence said:
And Danielson can't even do that at the same age Cozens was when he played his first full NHL season and put up 38 points. Sure that's not very impressive but Danielson can't even match that, he is a very milquetoast prospect who will be lucky to ever reach Cozens' career high.
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Sure, but Danielson is 3 years younger and doesn't have a 7 million cap hit.
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Correction: I said you lied about Cozens putting up 38 points in the NHL at the same age, not about Danielson's current goal total.
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Cozens was 20 when he put up 38 points, Danielson is 20 today. Or is HockeyDB lying again? Oh man, why oh why do they have such an agenda against the Red Wings?

FriendlyGhost92 said:
You didn't lie about Danielson's current goal total, and I never accused you of doing so. I called you out for cherry picking his goals rather than overall points because that wouldn't sound as good for your narrative, would it? :thumbu:

Better question: Why is he including assists for Cozens, but not Danielson?
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I mean we can look at assists too if you want. Cozens had 9 in the NHL his D+2.... Danielson has *checks notes* 0.

Danielson is just not a great prospect. Nothing wrong with that, he could still have a decent career, but top ten was a reach and he'll be lucky to do put up the totals Cozens has in the NHL to date. That he is already being out-performed by 2023 and even 2024 picks in the AHL is a damning indictment and another mark against the Yzerplan.
 
VeteranPresence said:
Cozens was 20 when he put up 38 points, Danielson is 20 today. Or is HockeyDB lying again? Oh man, why oh why do they have such an agenda against the Red Wings?



I mean we can look at assists too if you want. Cozens had 9 in the NHL his D+2.... Danielson has *checks notes* 0.

Danielson is just not a great prospect. Nothing wrong with that, he could still have a decent career, but top ten was a reach and he'll be lucky to do put up the totals Cozens has in the NHL to date. That he is already being out-performed by 2023 and even 2024 picks in the AHL is a damning indictment and another mark against the Yzerplan.
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It's genuinely irrelevant. Because all your points would be relevant if Cozens was still a 68 point centre. I agree that Buffalo shouldn't give that up for Danielson.

But that's not what Cozens is right now. He's trending for 40 points, playing terrible defense with a team-worst +/-, and locked in for 5 more years at a large $7.1M cap hit. If Danielson becomes a 40 point 3C like Cozens is right now, he will be paid 4M, not 7M. That's the whole point. Hell, we have Compher putting up the same numbers as Cozens for 2M less, and everyone thinks that's a shit contract. Right now Cozens is a younger Compher that's more expensive.

I don't want Detroit to make this trade any more than you seem to want Buffalo to. It's too risky for a team that needs to manage the cap very carefully with a large contract looming for Edvinsson and the rest of the kids as they enter the team.

Again, the only way this happens is in a deal that buffalo fans likely hate.
 
tsujimoto74 said:
I know it’s fun/easy to bash Adams, but I’m really not convinced he’s the problem. It’s Pegula. Terry can’t help himself from meddling with the hockey team (giving input on draft picks, signings, trades—all of the hockey moves that hockey people, not Terry, should be deciding), and across 14 years and several coaches and GMs, he’s the common denominator in all the failure.
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It's not unique to hockey. The haslams ineptitude in Cleveland or that gem from Oakland john Fischer.

Speaking of ineptitude

Detroit: EP40
Buffalo: Kasper, Copp/Rasmussen
Vancouver: Cozens, Edvinsson
 
ShakenNotStirred said:
It's not unique to hockey. The haslams ineptitude in Cleveland or that gem from Oakland john Fischer.

Speaking of ineptitude

Detroit: EP40
Buffalo: Kasper, Copp/Rasmussen
Vancouver: Cozens, Edvinsson
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NTY from Detroit. Cannot afford to trade Edvinsson for anything really. He will be better than Seider.
 
VeteranPresence said:
Cozens was 20 when he put up 38 points, Danielson is 20 today. Or is HockeyDB lying again? Oh man, why oh why do they have such an agenda against the Red Wings?



I mean we can look at assists too if you want. Cozens had 9 in the NHL his D+2.... Danielson has *checks notes* 0.

Danielson is just not a great prospect. Nothing wrong with that, he could still have a decent career, but top ten was a reach and he'll be lucky to do put up the totals Cozens has in the NHL to date. That he is already being out-performed by 2023 and even 2024 picks in the AHL is a damning indictment and another mark against the Yzerplan.
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Last I checked Cozens was 21 well before that season ended, which is kinda why you go by draft years...

... But again, that wouldn't fit your narrative, would it?

And sorry, but "Sure he sucked in his D+2, but at least he was in the NHL" is a shit argument.
 
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