The only player I could see possibly working as part of a return is if Buffalo still really likes Kasper? (think I've read they really liked him during the 2022 draft but Detroit took him the pick ahead?) But he's still a few years away from making any real impact..
Friedman: Red Wings interested in Dylan Cozens
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Cozens has 1 more point than JT Compher.
Beerz
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Dylan Larkin has 3 more points than Jason Zucker.
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*4
and even that is more of a case of Zucker having a really great year by his standards and elevating his value.
Surely you understand that Gustav Nyquist outscoring Brady Tkachuk last season didn't mean it was Tkachuk's value that got lower?
When it comes to Cozens the reality is that he scored 47 points last season and is on pace for 40 this year. If he doesn't rebound significantly in the calendar year of 2025 he will have negative value.
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HFpapi
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Don't see how this works.
Have to assume Detroit isn't willing to even consider Seider, Larkin, Raymond, or ASP and anything less is just Buffalo selling low on Cozens relative to his potential (imo potential to be an 85 point guy).
Why sell low on him if you're Buffalo and why trade equal value to Cozens ceiling if you're Detroit.
Have to assume Detroit isn't willing to even consider Seider, Larkin, Raymond, or ASP and anything less is just Buffalo selling low on Cozens relative to his potential (imo potential to be an 85 point guy).
Why sell low on him if you're Buffalo and why trade equal value to Cozens ceiling if you're Detroit.
If you thought ASP was ever available because one guy who goes around screaming "YZERFENCE" made a thread suggesting it even though he admitted he hasn't watched Cozens since his draft year, I dunno what to tell you.
I do like a Buffalo fan immediately getting repulsed by this idea... Because Elliotte verified the report.
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What the hell you even talking about.. I thought we were just throwing out random stats.
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It's not random. It's a center who is roughly equally productive but is actually on a fair contract unlike Cozens who is overpaid by several million. You'll take Compher+2nd and be happy.
A lot of people owe apologies to those Buffalo podcasters who reported this a week ago and were shat on.
HisNoodliness
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For Detroit, you trade for Cozens because you think he'll bounce back to being a young 30 goal, 60 point center that actually could be acquired in a trade because he's struggling.
For Buffalo you move him at less than his value because the team desperately needs a shakeup and you're concerned that Cozens is never bouncing back (at least in Buffalo) and need to recover assets before his contract is immovable.
Either way, Buffalo isn't getting 30 goal scorer value and Detroit (or whoever ultimately makes the deal) isn't getting the 15 goal, $7 mil cap dump price. If Buffalo moves him, they have to accept less than his potential worth. If someone else wants him, they have to accept paying more than his current worth.
Where his value ultimately shakes out is hard to say and I have a hard time imagining the GMs arriving at a happy middle ground. I cannot imagine HFboards arriving at that middle ground. Buffalo fans want 30 goal scorer value. Other fans want to poach for nothing.
Put another way, if someone from the future posted the real trade that is yet to happen, I think at least one, and probably both fan bases hate it.
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A lot of people owe apologies to those Buffalo podcasters who reported this a week ago and were shat on.
Huh? .. Nobody said Detroit wasn't interested in Cozens.
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Oh yes.. that is a completely different thing.
They were and still aren't credible.
Seems like reporting this a week prior to the most credible hockey insider picking it up gives you a bit of credibility...
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Going off reports of the two teams scouting one another .. this isn't too hard to come up with. This is something Hockeyy Insidderr would come up with. Not hard to deduce.
Could be...
... Or it could be they actually heard some shit from somebody in the organization one of them still has ties to and you're just stubborn and don't want to admit that they might have actually had something right.
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Could be... Seems more likely they actually heard some shit from somebody in the organization one of them still has ties to and you're just stubborn and don't want to admit that they might have actually had something right.
Oh I'm sure they both still have someone with ties to the organization... doesn't mean that someone is credible or legit.
They are both former players..they are going to know people.
They've been doing this for years.. if they had a legit person their record would look a whole lot better.
HisNoodliness
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I want to hear the believable doomsday scenario from both fan bases. The trade got made. You hate it. But you can believe it. It's not outlandish. It just has the wrong priorities, was at the wrong time and/or bets on the wrong players.
I think this is the only way we can guess at what happens.
I think this is the only way we can guess at what happens.
Pavels Dog
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Spot on.
Basically the trade would be like the temu version of the Eichel trade.
Tuch -> Rasmussen/Veleno
Krebs -> Berggren/Johansson/Wallinder/etc.
1st -> 2nd
2nd -> 3rd
Obviously these are moving parts but I would guess that's the general outline of what Yzerman might be offering.
I would also assume the reason something hasn't materialized is because Buffalo's hoping Cozens rebounds and goes on a scoring streak. Last 5 games he's got 1 assist and is a -9.
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HisNoodliness
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I don't remember where I saw it, but someone also reported/rumored that we wanted a bit of time to evaluate our team under McLellan before we'd make a trade. Friedman might be reporting this again because we're done with that process so the trade talks have picked back up, or we decided we're out so people became less tight-lipped and let slip that Cozens was the target.
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