Just saying, Trouba was awarded best defenceman of the tournament and the tournament all-star team consisted of Trouba and McCabe on the back end. Jones was great too and has all the potential in the world, but Trouba was definitely better in Ufa.
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Just saying, Trouba was awarded best defenceman of the tournament and the tournament all-star team consisted of Trouba and McCabe on the back end. Jones was great too and has all the potential in the world, but Trouba was definitely better in Ufa.
what are the chances that he has a late growth spurt and grows about 5 more inches coming out to about 6 foot 8 like his dad?
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What? Jones was outplayed by both Trouba and McCabe. McCabe was definitely better defensively, while Trouba scored a lot more goals and more points, and came through for the team at critical times (3-3-6 +8 for McCabe; 4-5-9 +2 for Trouba; 1-6-7 +7 for Jones) and were acknowledged as the more valuable players by being designated to the WJC All-Star team.
Not to say Jones isn't the better prospect, but I watched all but one of USA's games, and he was never the team's best defender, IMO.
WJC in general is still not a great general basis for talents. Especially when you play over a full season, plus playoffs against teams that have actually played together for several months. Wasn't Jones also the only D-man that wasn't even drafted yet for USA?
Highly unlikely.
He was 6'3" at age 14. He's listed at 6'4" now. His older brother Justin is only 5'11".
How are EJ and Bouw comparables to those two outliers? All i'm saying is that people are making him to be a generational talent, which he isn't based on the games I've watched him in, and the defenseman that were just as highly touted as him didn't live up to their expectations.
Nice to know you love Jones so much that you must act like a child.
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Everytime defenseman are chosen top 5, or even #1 overall they seem to disappoint.
Hopefully Jones is different.
Hopefully Jones is different.
Hard to live up to the hype when everyone's expecting another Pronger, Lidstrom, or Neidermayer
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Definitely, there is a different measure for a DMan - especially when you consider that it took Pronger 7 years to win his first Norris, Lidstrom 11 years and Neidermayer 13. These guys didn't just come out of the box as the best of their generation.
I think a lot of people in here don't really know what the word generational means.
I think he can be a generational talent, only time will tell. Erik Johnson was considered as one back then, well, didn't work out.
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He's 24 and has been solid this year regardless of the Avs. That is of course minus the injuries which is the only knock against him.
He could settle in anywhere from a solid #2 to the best defenseman in the league to be quite honest, predicting the track records of 17-year-old defensemen has sort of proved to be a little difficult to pinpoint over the years. Has some amazing qualities though. He's not Johnson, he's his own player.
Trouba doesn't actually have a year on Jones, they were in the same age grouping for NTDP. They're both born in '94.
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Not to mention Chara who took 12 years.
I wouldn't look to throw EJ in the bin at this point, and it is difficult to measure what type of player Jones will be, when it is unlikely he'll hit his prime for a decade.
Jones has something to him that sets himself above the rest. I am not sure quite what it is, but he just has that quality.
If you were actually trying to be logical about it, yes. That's not necessarily the way things work around here obviously.
I guess if your HF you get to re-define what a generation is. It certainly does not even remotely equate, in any other context, to "for the ages".
That said, Jones is what he is. Which is a future cornerstone player for whatever team gets him.
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This whole "to be considered generational you have to be Gretzky, Orr, Howe!"
I consider a player who is the best in his position of his generation (say roughly +/- 5 year age difference) to be a "generational talent". Jones definitely has a chance to be that. Other "generational defensemen" in my book would be Chara, Pronger, Lidstrom, Bourque..
I consider a player who is the best in his position of his generation (say roughly +/- 5 year age difference) to be a "generational talent". Jones definitely has a chance to be that. Other "generational defensemen" in my book would be Chara, Pronger, Lidstrom, Bourque..
Pietrangelo has been a huge exception, and Doughty to a lesser extent.
And on the flip side, you get guys like Tyler Myers who went from Calder to a healthy scratch
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Since defensive play is all but impossible to quantify, realize that a lot of the Norris relies on reputation. It's unlikely that Lidstrom's 7 Norris seasons were his 7 best actual seasons.
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I think that something, is the vision, poise, plus a special agility seldom seen in big men.
