RD Seth Jones (2013, 4th overall, Nashville) II
- Thread starter byeyimini
- Start date
Sundinisagod
****
No he's not.
I don't care if he's a defenseman, a late-birthday on a powerhouse team with a 56 point season is far from a generational talent.
I don't care if he's a defenseman, a late-birthday on a powerhouse team with a 56 point season is far from a generational talent.
Lend me your Crystal Ball when you're done with it, will ya?
Jones is not a sure-fire generational talent like Crosby is (or maybe like McDavid appears he could be), but he certainly has the chance to develop into one. Of all the great young defensemen in the game, I think Jones has more of a chance to become a generational talent. Let's remember: if Nick Lidstrom was perceived to be one, he wouldn't have lasted till the 2nd round. It IS possible for some guys to reach a level of play that is higher than some may expect. Oliver Ekmann-Larson and Erik Karlsson are also two guys who have a *chance* to be a generational-type talent.
And I don't believe the term "Generational Talent" has to imply an Orr/Gretzky/Lemieux level. I think guys like Stevie Y, Joe Sakic, Peter Forsberg, Eric Lindros, Mark Messier or Pavel Bure and Jaromir Jagr, and guys like Lidstrom, Bourque and Coffey (among a few other blueliners like Potvin) could all qualify as generational talents, depending on exactly where you draw the line, and especially if you factor in where some of those guys (Yzerman, Forsberg, Bure, Lindros) would have ended up if they didn't suffer some effects/have their careers shortened by their respective injuries. Clearly, this is a matter of semantics to a large degree.
ColeJ
Registered User
doesn't generational talent just mean you have to be the best of your generation at the position you play?
doesn't just mean "top 5 player in the history of the sport." that's a bit ridiculous.
doesn't just mean "top 5 player in the history of the sport." that's a bit ridiculous.
Sean Monahan
JIMMIES ARE RUSTLED
Doesn't matter.
Generational talent is Bobby Orr. Orr was dominating junior hockey and scoring two points per game at age 17.
No matter how good his "all-around game" is, the numbers are not good enough to assume anything like that.
Hell, he isn't even first in scoring among DEFENSEMEN on his team.
TheKingSlayer
He was in the way!
You cannot be first in scoring on your team when you are not getting the most minutes or opportunities on the team. Especially in his case where there are very offensively talented d-men ahead of him on the seniority chart.
WarriorofTime
Registered User
- Jul 3, 2010
- 33,497
- 23,942
Trouba was awesome, awesome at the WJCs this year, and would have no doubt gone higher, probably to the Isles at #4, if the draft was (hypothetically) re-done. That being said, I'd be willing to wager all the money I have that Kevin Cheveldayoff would happily trade Jacob Trouba straight up to whatever team drafted Seth Jones. Their upside is not the same, at all.
11MilesPerJohan
@BeingAHumanBean
That seems to make sense.
Gretzky, Orr, and Lemieux were once in a life-time type players (hell, maybe two life times), never mind once in a generation.
Who's to say right now if the kid will be a "once in a generation player" until we see him cut his teeth in the NHL?
A lot of players come into the league with hype, but they have to prove it on the next level. Crosby is considered a once in a generation player now because of what he has already accomplished in a young career, but that was no slam dunk coming into the league, at least not to the level that he has currently risen.
WarriorOfGandhi
Was saying Boo-urns
True, but Crosby was considered a generational prospect given his accomplishments at his age.
As we have no way to project Jones' future, one thing we can at least do is to look at his career thus far, which does not show he is a generational prospect where he is head and shoulders above other top defensive prospects over the past decade or so.
I sure hope Jones will be a brilliant player, and he looks an amazing prospect but so far his body of work does not show he is a generational talent at this stage in his career.Could be develop into one? Sure. But the posters thinking he will or won't have no way of knowing either way even if those thinking he will are in a more precarious position.
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but even if it has it deserves being posted again given the misunderstanding many have regarding the term generational.
If posters wish to make up their own definition of generational they are welcome to do so, but then they should probably make a new term for what hockeys future consider generational, or define what their term implies.
However, seeing defenders such as Lidstrom, Chara and Pronger on the Elite talent list give huge warning signs to anyone who thinks Jones is a generational talent, based on what he has done thus far.
If posters wish to make up their own definition of generational they are welcome to do so, but then they should probably make a new term for what hockeys future consider generational, or define what their term implies.
The ranking system they use is not perfect and to avoid misunderstanding it would probably be good if they rated players like Bourque, Crosby (based on his play when healthy), etc because it is not easy to get a read on some players in the Elite level vs Generational level, mainly the gap between a guy like Lidstrom and Staal.
However, seeing defenders such as Lidstrom, Chara and Pronger on the Elite talent list give huge warning signs to anyone who thinks Jones is a generational talent, based on what he has done thus far.
Last edited:
georgiabluejacket
Registered User
Seth Jones is a lock for #1. The only way he won't be is if Edmonton get the #1 again. Here's 2 statements from 2 GM's in the last 3 days alone.
-Seth Jones as the top prospect in this year's draft. Asked about the draft he said that Jones had emerged as this year's top prospect
-Seth Jones is not only the #1 prospect, he's distanced himself from the competition which says something.
georgiabluejacket
Registered User
Funny you should say this cause I was just discussing this with someone yesterday. Esposito was the "great hype" then ended up being drafted what 18? From what I've seen of Mackinnon I honesty haven't been impressed, but I wouldn't be upset if he ended up on my team.
- Jan 22, 2010
- 10,728
- 6,084
Seth Jones is most certainly NOT a LOCK for #1
I'm not saying he won't go #1, but he's far from a "lock"
Jones is by no means a generational talent - when was the last generational Dman?
I guess Karlsson could turn out to be one, but in his draft year, he wasn't.
Erik Johnson is Seth Jones 1.0 and he wasn't a generational talent.
Simply put - Dmen are too unpredictable to be labelled as Generational. The last generational Dman at a draft was Denis Potvin
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=535445&highlight=erik+johnson
People still thought Johnson would go #1 overall if he was 18 drafted in the 2008 NHL draft. Jones is being hyped just as much as Bouwmeester or EJ was. Theres just as good of chance Jones doesn't live up to the expectations as it was with the other two.
People still thought Johnson would go #1 overall if he was 18 drafted in the 2008 NHL draft. Jones is being hyped just as much as Bouwmeester or EJ was. Theres just as good of chance Jones doesn't live up to the expectations as it was with the other two.
Why? Pretty much everyone who's been labelled a generational talent got that classification way before playing their first game in the NHL.
I would say Bryan Fogarty... he fell because everyone knew he had serious problems... but a generational talent... yes
BeersHockey
Registered User
Umm, not sure which WJC you were watching. Jones looks awesome out there, and made smart plays with the puck. Trouba demonstrated poor shot selection most of the time - too trigger happy, didn't make smart plays with the puck. I would take Jones over Trouba any day.
That said, Jones isn't generational yet. Time will tell if he can play himself into that stratosphere, although that is extremely hard for DMen, given how stat happy everyone is when discussing greatness.
