RD Adam Fox (2016, 66th, CGY; traded to CAR; traded to NYR)

[mikeyp24]

I would be shock if Fox is a shutdown dman in the NHL

I 100% agree I was just saying when I think of the league that develops D the best and does develop those shut down types on a much more regular basis then any of the Canadian leagues.

 

[Leafs87]

Do they get rid of the one where foreign players are also UFA after 4 years if unsigned or the one where CHL players can choose not to sign and re-enter the draft after 2 years?

How long should you realistically be able to keep a players rights for though ? If anything NCAA should change their rule and let’s players sign an NHL deal and still go back to school. It’s very unlikely an NHL drafted high end player plays all 4 years anyways

 

[Kaners PPGs]

How long should you realistically be able to keep a players rights for though ? If anything NCAA should change their rule and let’s players sign an NHL deal and still go back to school. It’s very unlikely an NHL drafted high end player plays all 4 years anyways

But we know the NCAA is not going to do that for hockey. Do you really want signability to be an issue when a team is considering a college player?

 

[Leafs87]

But we know the NCAA is not going to do that for hockey. Do you really want signability to be an issue when a team is considering a college player?

I don’t really see another alternative tbh. You can’t keep their rights for much longer it’s just not right for a player that doesn’t want to play somewhere and NHLPA wouldn’t go for it

 

[paragon]

The NHL changed this last cba. If Fox goes to UFA after his senoir season at Harvard, he can't sign until mid-August, when teams already have their rosters set for the most part.

Doesn't change much. It's still enough time to sign before the CBA expires. And he can agree to a contract and just sign it on the deadline date.

 

[GoldiFox]

He's going to get the same money wherever he goes, so why wouldn't he want to go the UFA route. It's hard to predict the pay structure of teams in the future when he does become a RFA, but even Tampa might be great choice to show off his offensive skills.

Fox is free to go the UFA route. He would just have to wait an additional ~1.5 years and loses the benefit of having his ELC accelerated by one additional year (see: McAvoy signing with Boston). He can freely chose his destination as a "college UFA" going into a potential lockout in August of 2020-21. Or he can sign with the Canes this year and be eligible for his first big post-ELC extension on July 1 of 2020.

Just depends on how quickly he wants to be an NHLer and how quickly he wants to burn through his cheap ELC years.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Just depends on how quickly he wants to be an NHLer and how quickly he wants to burn through his cheap ELC years.

Kinda reminds of the "Trouba doesn't want to play in Canada". scenario. Well he knew CBA rules of the NHL, he should have not signed with his drafted team and waited a few year and signed with the team of his choice.
For the Canes sake, I hope he signs with Carolina. But Fox certainly is in a nice position for a young man.....Harvard education, going to play professional hockey for likely the team of his choice.
I had choice when I graduated also.....do yo wanna work nights or afternoons?

 

[Fogelhund]

I get the feeling he’ll sign in Carolina - if they get him into the NHL ASAP. They’ll likely need to let him burn a year on his ELC this year and then give him a solid shot at an NHL job next year.

Politically Calgary couldn’t really do that because it almost certainly would have upset Andersson and/or Kylington who spent a good chunk of time developing their games in the AHL.

That's the Catch 22. Carolina hasn't been able to pull the trigger on a deal to reduce their excess RHD, despite rumours of them doing so since the Hamilton deal. Now you're talking about moving two. If they are planning on doing what you suggest, they better make some deals.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Doesn't change much.

Yes it does. Roster spots and $$$ widely available on July 1st are mostly gone by August. It significantly reduces his options and leverage from what it would be if he could sign on July 1st like everyone else.

It reduces incentive to wait until FA. Not that that incentive is no longer there, just reduced.

And he can agree to a contract and just sign it on the deadline date.

That's 1) tampering and 2) still a risk on his part.

 

[paragon]

Yes it does. Roster spots and $$$ widely available on July 1st are mostly gone by August. It significantly reduces his options and leverage from what it would be if he could sign on July 1st like everyone else.

It reduces incentive to wait until FA. Not that that incentive is no longer there, just reduced.

Remember when Jimmy Vesey became UFA and nobody was interested in him because all the roster spots were taken? Yeah, me neither. Everyone would be interested in Adam Fox and they would even trade to make it happen, because it's just a free resource. It would be stupid not to. Even if there were only two options available it would still be an upgrade over having no choise with Carolina.

He has the opportunity to pick a team where he can actually get the opportunity to achieve his ELC signing bonuses, something Carolina can not give him because of the depth of their defense, and then he can fast track to big money contracts like Justin Schultz.

Jimmy Vesey's career path is the template every single stand out player from NCAA should be following. Any agent worth his salt should be hammering the point home.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Remember when Jimmy Vesey became UFA and nobody was interested in him because all the roster spots were taken?

Don't strawman.

I'm explaining the difference between an fa on July 1st and an fa in August. Example:

He has the opportunity to pick a team where he can actually get the opportunity to achieve his ELC signing bonuses

The number of teams able to accommodate this are smaller in mid August than on July 1st.

something Carolina can not give him because of the depth of their defense, and then he can fast track to big money contracts like Justin Schultz.

Jimmy Vesey's career path is the template every single stand out player from NCAA should be following. Any agent worth his salt should be hammering the point home.

Huh?

Getting to rfa in 2020-2021 is much more lucrative than elc signing bonuses.

 

[paragon]

Getting to rfa in 2020-2021 is much more lucrative than elc signing bonuses.

Getting to rfa after 10 minutes per game and no PP time is less lucrative than getting to rfa after playing 20 minutes and pp time.

 

[spockBokk]

Getting to rfa after 10 minutes per game and no PP time is less lucrative than getting to rfa after playing 20 minutes and pp time.

Why are you so adamant against the kid signing with the Canes? Are you a Flames fan that’s pissy he didn’t sign there?

He’s said he wants to get to the NHL ASAP. Until 8/15/2020 or until his rights get traded again, his only option to reach his clearly stated goal is to sign with CAR. Let’s see what happens...

 

[paragon]

Why are you so adamant against the kid signing with the Canes? Are you a Flames fan that’s pissy he didn’t sign there?

He’s said he wants to get to the NHL ASAP. Until 8/15/2020 or until his rights get traded again, his only option to reach his clearly stated goal is to sign with CAR. Let’s see what happens...

I would love for him to sign with the Canes. I'm just saying it would be a stupid career move.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m laughing at the Canes fans talking themselves into Fox signing with them this summer.

I’ll believe it when I see it

 

[Leopain]

I'd like him to sign this year so we can hear more about the player than where he signs.

 

[lilmaxo]

46 points in 31 games.

Closest teamates has 31 points.

Is it fair to say he is going to be a good point producer in the nhl? A bit like ghost?

 

[Bevans]

46 points in 31 games.

Closest teamates has 31 points.

Is it fair to say he is going to be a good point producer in the nhl? A bit like ghost?

Hard to compare him to Ghost. Ghost only had 82 points to this point in Fox's career. Fox has 114. Doesn't necessarily mean he'll be as good as Ghost in the NHL though. Hopefully Fox comes into a perfect situation similar to what occurred in Philly.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Im curious what hes gonna do.. Canes are pretty stacked dmen wise with young roster guys and prospects so that could be a massive factor for him signing

Go back for senior year and test UFA next offseason?

Any rumors floating around out there that people have heard?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Im curious what hes gonna do.. Canes are pretty stacked dmen wise with young roster guys and prospects so that could be a massive factor for him signing

Go back for senior year and test UFA next offseason?

Any rumors floating around out there that people have heard?

None. When he was at the rookie camp, he said he wants to play in the NHL as soon as possible. Waddell then said the Canes were confident they would sign him. Nothing after that.

re: Canes depth. Canes have 2 RHD that are free agents after next year in Faulk and TVR. By all accounts, the Canes tried to trade Faulk this year but didn't get any offers they liked so I suspect they'll try and move him again this off-season. TVR is a solid bottom pairing guy, but is a free agent after next year as well. Only guy the Canes have remotely close to the NHL on the RHD side in the system is McKeown who is a totally different skill set than Fox. The other guys they have are Fleury (LHD) and Bean (LHD).

Moving Faulk or TVR would easily make room for Fox if that's what they wanted to do.

 

[SvechneJerk]

In their 2 games with Dartmouth Friday & last night, Fox ended up with 1G, 5A.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

None. When he was at the rookie camp, he said he wants to play in the NHL as soon as possible. Waddell then said the Canes were confident they would sign him. Nothing after that.

re: Canes depth. Canes have 2 RHD that are free agents after next year in Faulk and TVR. By all accounts, the Canes tried to trade Faulk this year but didn't get any offers they liked so I suspect they'll try and move him again this off-season. TVR is a solid bottom pairing guy, but is a free agent after next year as well. Only guy the Canes have remotely close to the NHL on the RHD side in the system is McKeown who is a totally different skill set than Fox. The other guys they have are Fleury (LHD) and Bean (LHD).

Moving Faulk or TVR would easily make room for Fox if that's what they wanted to do.

Thats good to know.. So im assuming Fox wont sign when his season ends and join the Canes? Id assume he will wait it out and see how Canes handle that situation with their free agents?

Out of curiousity reasons i was hoping id see him for some games in the NHL this year but id imagine that wont happen?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Thats good to know.. So im assuming Fox wont sign when his season ends and join the Canes? Id assume he will wait it out and see how Canes handle that situation with their free agents?

Out of curiousity reasons i was hoping id see him for some games in the NHL this year but id imagine that wont happen?

We would hope he signs this year, but there’s no way to know. , I can’t see Rod playing him when the Canes are fighting for a playoff spot

 

[StreetHawk]

We would hope he signs this year, but there’s no way to know. , I can’t see Rod playing him when the Canes are fighting for a playoff spot

If he were to sign, that would likely be a condition on him agreeing to leave Harvard this season, so that he can burn year 1 of his ELC by playing in just 1 game. Plus, due to his age, if he were to play, I believe that would make him eligible for the expansion draft in 2021.

 

[Brodeur]

I'll have to double check, but I think since Fox is on the reserve list, he doesn't necessarily need to dress for a game for the first year to get burned. He'd just need to be on the active roster. This happened with the Devils and Joey Anderson last year. If I recall correctly, Alex Lyon also was able to burn the first year of his ELC with the Flyers without dressing and he wasn't on their reserve list.